We will see you back here in an hour. Outnumbered search right now sandra a big test for republicans on capitol hill today where the house right now is debating. The revamped bill to repeal and replace obamacare, i have a vote, expected in the next hour. This may be a nailbiter, but republicans believe they can pull out a win and deliver on a top priority for President Trump. This is outnumbered. Im sandra smith. Here today, harris faulkner, meghan mccain, former deputy spokesperson for the State Department under President Obama, marie harper, and todays oneluckyguy, the Opinion Page Editor for the washington times, charlie hurt is here and he is outnumbered on a seriously busy news day. Lets get started. The magic number, 216. Thats how many votes republicans need to send the replacement for obamacare to the
yes, its gone through. That doesnt mean when the bill gets to the senate its going to be complete they gutted. Sandra republicans could claim victory here. You have the 8 billions added to the bill yesterday. Thats when a couple no votes to yes. They can at least claim victory if this passes in the house. Marie heres what should be concerning. Independent experts who have seen part of this bill have said this bill will still drive up premiums, it will stemming peoples coverage. Preexisting conditions will not be covered like they are now, and when tom price goes out there and says all these things that everyone else is saying arent true, thats a huge gamble with peoples lives and what politics going into 2018. Republicans are doing exactly what they accused us of doing in 2010. Theyre pushing a bill through very fast, no cbo score. Charlie absolutely. Again, this is where my primary objection is. I dont support any obamacare or obamacare lite. The federal government does do a good job of running the post office. If they are going to come up with something, i want all 435 to be working on it. Im not going to like what they come up with no matter what. Harris where are they . Marie part of the problem is the g. O. P. Did not post the bill until 8 00 p. M. Last night. The g. O. P. In 2010 said as nancy pelosi going to vote so what on something without seeing it . Whats the rush . Calm down, bring on the democrats, show us the bill, talk to these highrisk pools who have had some issues. If you want democrats involved, takes up to show that. Meghan they dont want democrats involved. Replacing, which is possibly an option and was probably going to happen. Sandra this debate is happening right now. Pictures on capitol hill. Charlie, can you walk us through what youll be watching . Charlie as you pointed out earlier, 216 is a number we are looking for. It is going to be a nailbiter. Going back to your point about regular order, which i would say didnt do this in regular order. If democrats republicans are laying democrats off the hook for this disaster. That troubles me. What i would find very interesting is if this were going through more regular order, whether democrats i dont think they would, whether they could form an absolute harris republicans would have to lose 21 votes. Thats a lot. Democrats dont like walls, that would create a wall. Sandra just moments ago, President Trump, as you saw, signing an Executive Order on religious liberty which relaxes rules against churches that promote portable candidates. Whether this went for social conservatives can hold up in court. Plus you may be surprised, Hillary Clinton after blaming james comey and wikileaks were her election loss. The latest fallout. And go to our live chat by clicking the overtime tab at foxnews. Com outnumbered or go to facebook. Com outnumbered fnc. Of course you can also tweet us, weve got our phones. Meghan marie has an announcement coming. You dont let anything
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of course, goes on to the senate. We will keep a close watch on i it. Moments ago, President Trump signed an Executive Order on religious liberty while marking the national day of prayer at the white house joined by Vice President pence and religious leaders. The order he signed aims to relax rules on churches so they can support political candidates without risking losing their taxexempt status. And it also pushes to make it easier for employers with religious objections to include Birth Control from the health care plan. Watch. Will not allow people of faith to be targeted, bullied, or silenced anymore. We will never, ever stand for religious discrimination, never, ever. Tolerance is the cornerstone of peace. Harris liberal critics are already pouncing, alleging that the Executive Order would allow discrimination. An aclu official is warning and he actually asserted this yesterday, if present from signs an Executive Order that attempts to provide a license to discriminate against women or lgbt people, we will see him in court. We can get to that in a moment, but charlie, i wanted to start at the beginning of what the president said he was wanting to do today and i was make a difference. Social conservatives, did they check this as a victory . Charlie i think is a huge victory. The Johnson Amendment is one of these arcane laws that is not often enforced by the irs that punishes churches, people who have taxexempt status if they stray into politics. The problem with little enforced laws like this is that people were most concerned about following the law are the only ones actually abide by the law. Then it gets very looseygoosey on the edges. This is something that has scorched social conservatives for a long time. It is very interesting. Donald trump is on a big gunner. He has guns, but hes not a hunter or anything, and hes not exactly a bible belt politician, but he made promises to those groups in the campaign and democrats did everything they could to separate those people from donald trump, hes not one of them, but they think hell stick out for them. Harris look at the nara last week. The very early supporters among the most staunch supporters of this president. Marie, some of the criticism has been that this will hold up legally and therell be a backlash, talk to me. Marie i do think there may
be some legal challenges. Weve seen with the hobby lobby decision, particularly women, health care and Birth Control, that is an issue that will be challenged. I met a lawyer, i dont know how that will turn out. Im concerned about it and it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the courts. For me, im more fundamentally uncomfortable with it because i do want to keep politics away from church. I dont need more politics in my life. I dont need to come in on Sunday Morning and im uncomfortable with the notion that religious organizations endorsing candidates. I think there is no partisanship in this world and lets let our religion to be separate from that. Harris where you put those black churches who are praying for barack obama . Meghan its not uncommon. I have seen plenty of videos on the internet where pastors of
churches were telling their congregations to vote for a specific candidate. When youre talking about this bill not being enforced, i more thinking about it this is something i thought was already going on to an extent. Sandra paul ryan responded, he said its high time we restarted the religious right. Marie for someone meghan I Couldnt Vote for a democrat for that reason alon alone. Most of how i voted, at six important to me. A lot of times, i want to say politics and state stone and are stacked, its a natural way for which its going to. Harris this is specific, at least for my personal witnessing and some black churches where it was specific to the Democratic Party and such
that it was barack obama and those were running with them. Charlie all churches pray for our nationalis that step ofd getting people to go to the polls. Thats the line. Harris former National Security advisor susan rice is under fire for refusing to testify before a senate panel. In the unmasking of u. S. Citizens during the russian investigation. Nine top lawmaker says her refusal makes it seem like she has something to hide. Does she . Well talk about it. We are waiting a big vote in the house. Republicans making another push to repeal and replace obamacare. They say they have the votes. Stay close. Were the williams family, and were usaa members for life. Introducing new depend silhouette active fit, with a thin design for complete comfort. They say move it or lose it and at my age, im moving more than ever. Because getting older is inevitable. But feeling older . Thats something i control. Get a free sample at depend. Com. Hi, im frank. I take movantik for oic, opioidinduced constipation. Had a bad back injury, my doctor prescribed opioids which helped with the chronic pain, but backed me up bigtime. Tried prunes, laxatives, still constipated. Had to talk to my doctor. She said, how long you been holding this in . laughs that was my movantik moment. My doctor told me that movantik is specifically designed for oic and can help you go more often. Dont take movantik if you have a Bowel Blockage or a history of them. Movantik may cause serious side effects, including symptoms of opioid withdrawal, severe stomach pain and or diarrhea,
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republicans on capitol hill today. The houses expected to vote on that revamped bill to repeal and replace obamacare. That bill is expected in the next hour. We are seeing the debate happening on the floor right now. Were going to stay on this for you. Big news when it happens. Meghan susan rice is a refusing to testify before a senate subcommittee. Rice, declining senator Lindsey Grahams invitation saying it was not bipartisan. This, as lawmakers look into her election involvement unmasking citizens during the russian probe. President trump is Morning Tweeting to take away, not good. Chuck grassley saying her toy stands in stark contrast with other highranking National Security officials. Lindsey graham invited her and then i believe the white house
came out and said i didnt extend an invitation to the democrat, so politics are not allowed to do this. Such a copout. Charlie yeah, it has to be one of the worst. I have no idea what that even possibly means, but it does underscore something that is applicable about this. This whole scandal i think is the biggest crisis of the entire obama administration. I dont use that word lightly. It really is a constitutional crisis. If it were not so in view of politics, it would be a bipartisan outrage with what happened here. Because it is squeezed through the plato maker of politics, everybodys taking sides as they do and nobody is searching for the plain, honest to god truth. Meghan maria, you are a former member of the cia,
doesnt this bother you . Marie heres the problem with the allegation. There has been zero evidence to back that up and in fact, bipartisan republican and democratic members will find a chance to look at those documents devin nunes was talking about came away and said we didnt see anything improper. I understand charlie how do you explain mike flynn thing . Marie which one . There are so many i can explain to you. Charlie the fact that he was unmasked, those transcripts were revealed. Marie there could be very legitimate National Security briefings that mike flynn and his conversation with russian officials, turkish officials, any of these other officials was unmasked. Im not saying that have been dori didnt, im saying there is zero evidence to back up the
claim that this is a constitutional crisis. I want the senate to have hearings on russian interference in our election. Jim comey said they are still interfering. Surgeons and answer some questions. I think republicans are also using this politically. Theyre saying will invite her, shell say no, then we will say she is. Lets put that in the context of what russia did. Harris i want to go back to sanders question because i think its a good one. I didnt quite hear it in your answer. I understand what you think it says for republicans, but what does it say specifically for susan rice . I want to contextualize it for you. Shes a person who walked out the scenario of a video having brought about the killings in benghazi of our americans. She walked all those Talking Points that were proven not to be true. And the context of wanting to get to the truth of her at the center of it, what do you think it says that she is saying no, im not going to come back . The marie again, sometimes susan is her own worst enemy on these things. Dianne feinstein came out and said she should probably come answer some questions. I would be happy for her, because it is a sensitive situation. I would love for her to answer questions in a way that were bipartisan or nonpartisan and to get to some of the truth of this unmasking issue. My problem is, republicans, i feel it, are trying to make the whole Story Unmasking and susan rice because she is an easy target when the whole story is Russia Meddled in our election, period. Meghan thats a lot of dancing. This aint my first rodeo. Shocking new details about my favorite person, huma abedin. I love her. Fbi director james comeys comments on Whether Aberdeen should have been prosecuted. What Top Democrats are saying about ms. Clintons refusal to finally, totally, completely take the blame for her loss. man vo it was may, when dad forgot
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legitimate beef with the fbi director, the buck stops with her. Jim comey didnt tell her not to campaign in wisconsin after the convention. He didnt say dont put any resources into michigan until the final week of the campaign and one of the things that hindered her in the campaign was a sense that she never was fully willing to take responsibility. Sandra John Saki Eck echoing most comments saying democrats need to recognize there were other reasons she came up short. Democrats, people close to Hillary Clinton are going to stand politics, if they dont understand there were other failings, including where we didnt campaign, the fact that there Wasnt Pulling and swing middle of the country states, the fact that democrats failed to have an economic message that connected with people, then we are really missing an opportunity and we are really putting our heads in the sand to her own detriment. Sandra just cant resist
going back to Hillary Clintons comments going out of the gate there. Weve heard them several times. Taking full responsibility, but then she starts pointing fingers and immediately had a rather reason she lost. Space entry specific we we said james comey. Charlie yes. Its vintage clinton. Ive been waiting for this firefight to start to kind of break out. She also blamed President Obama for getting reelected. Thats another reason she lost, because it so hard to follow somebody in the same party after two terms. Everybody talks about the infighting in the republican party, im sure theres plenty, but this fighting that has to happen between now and the next election among democrats is going to be insane, because you have the obama coalition, the obama people, who are to blame for a lot of the problems Hillary Clinton had because she was running on a third term, based on his policies and
democrats lost 1,000 seats on these policies. For them to start sniping at one another, its going to get worse. Sandra your saving your comments. Lets go to marie first, because it does appear that her fellow democrats are very quick and kindly pointing out why exactly she lost. It doesnt appear she really recognize the real reasons or acknowledge them. The speed and i dont care if she ever realizes that, what i care about is Party Leaders who are leaders today and in the future, look at why she lost, all of the reasons, campaign strategy, nominating candidates with a bunch of baggage, but the interparty the fight im more concerned about is this rest of
the party and Bernie Sanders fight. Bernie sanderson on a democrat. There are certain things we agree with him on in certain things we dont, his supporters hes never been a registered democrat. Charlie what do you think about a party where half of your Party Supports a socialist . Marie is the challenge. Taking party supporters, the issues they care about, the sub taking the message on the economic side, what can we ask for average americans in places like My Home State Of Ohio and try to bring some of those back . This is going to be a very interesting fight and i hope my party is up to it. Sandra at doesnt appear they are. Tim ryan took a good shot at that. Meghan i take this from a totally different perspective about why politically she is not taken responsibility for her actions. I come at this from a personal place. I dont always invoke my personal experiences, but i have been there on Election Night front and center. When you lose and you lose to an
embarrassing way which is what happen with my father and also what happened with donald trump. On Election Night, my family prayed together, talked about how blessed we are and in that moment, that night, elected to move on. Had my father been going on tv 100 days later blaming everyone else, i would have called him up, i would have personally yanked him off television and said youre embarrassing yourself. This is pathetic, this is not good for america. Its not good for americans to keep reliving this. They fail because it was the Worst Campaign ever. I find her behavior deeply unpatriotic and quite pathetic. Harris are you worried, marie, that while Hillary Clinton i have a buck, if you figure out where the buck stops are you at all worried about how this would affect her and an ability to focus an end help the party
because she still does have samoa joe she could help with, because you want to talk about womens issues and everything else, maybe she could certainly help fund raise, she knows how to do that. Are you worried that she becomes a shiny object distraction for your party . Marie she doesnt. We have joe biden, barack obama, he is still very popular, left off his incredible a popular, and other leaders in the senate and house and state who are picking up the mantle of the Democratic Party and this isnt going to be Hillary Clintons party. Harris you should call her so she knows. Meghan This Mount Personal Version of hell where she comes on tv and tells her when why she should be president. Fbi director james comey revealing yesterday that Hillary Clintons top aide made a habit of Forwarding Emails containing classified information to her
husband, disgraced congressman Anthony Weiner. Heres the exchange. Was her classified information on former congressman weiners computer . Yes. Who sent it to him . His then spouse, huma abedin appears to have had a regular practice of Forwarding Emails to him to print out for her so she could then deliver them to the secretary of state. Why did you conclude neither of them committed a crime . Because with respect to miss abedin, we didnt have any indication that she had a sense that what you doing was an violation of the law. Meghan we are already starting to talk. Harris let me tell you where we went there. This is marie. These are actually recto actively classified documents, right . What does that matter . We are in it to win it now. This woman was walking into her home, so as far as we know, he had his laptop, honey, can you print this . I emailed you such an old by the
way, let me upload a few . Sandra not once, not twice, but on a regular basis. Meghan he was also messaging underage women on the internet and being a complete pervert on the internet. Charlie who was the first person that brought that up . Donald trump. Dirt bag is now a president ial word, im pretty sure. Meghan it shows the arrogance that our spies and allies go through the arrogance of huma abedin that she thinks she can send this to her Pervert Husband who may or may not have been under investigation when it was happening, completely expose our National Secrets to god knows who on the internet. I understand the hat theyre
hanging this on, if it were you or me, and we had to mess with our husbands, im telling you it would be a different story. The media continues to get this woman a free pass. Shes at the met ball this weekend. She continues to be treated as a celebrity for whatever reason and its absolutely inexcusable. She has put americans safety at risk and she should be charged or brought under. Harris harris to answerr question, to address it, here is my overarching thought on all of this. This sits with the original person who sent and had the emails on men in secure server appear Hillary Clinton. What clearance to the people in that circle have a Question Mark we know Anthony Weiner had some kind of clearance, but was he cleared to receive those materials . Is a stain on the house of both of these women. Meghan as much as i like talking about huma abedin, you do not. Marie i not going to lizzas argument, but i feel the need to make it as a former cia officer, ive seen the emails that have been released publicl publicly. Some of the stuff, not all, for you jump on me, some of the stuff that they went back and classified were media articles. I have to do it, its cathartic for me to get this out. Some of them were literally Press Articles about classified programs that were retroactively classified. Yes, she should not have done it, she shouldnt have had the private server, meghan she should hate you should hate her more than me, because the position she puts it when sandra the classification is irrelevant. Marie is a ton of classification information and if we are in a place where Press Articles are classified and because of that, she is putting
National Security at risk, we all need to take a little bit of a deep breath here. Thats all im saying. Meghan i feel bad for the position they continue to put that in. You cannot here make it okay. What a difference a day makes. The big assist from President Trump and the 11th hour, how his Dealmaking Skills may have made all the differenc difference. Credit for getting personally involved in delivering some lastminute votes. White house aides are saying the president has been working the phones seriously and he was able to get four key moderates on board after meeting with them at the white house yesterday. Heres one of those former holdouts. Really long on how his note turned into a yes. One they made what i considered the change to preexisting conditions, thats when i said, i may know. The president said billy, we need you. I said you dont have me. He said they need you. He called back yesterday, we need you, we need you, we need you. Im happy to announce that we will have preexisting conditions covered adequately. Harris you are clearing your throat. Charlie so sorry. Harris can you explain how these nose are becoming yeses . The one thing i pointed out a
week ago, yes it was the freedom caucus, but 60 votes they were worried about going into that friday a few weeks ago. Only half of the more freedom caucus, the rest of the more moderate. Charlie as she pointed out earlier, it wasnt just the freedom caucus. Whats interesting, its moving the bill more leftward to include things like preexisting conditions and things like that. Again, at the end of the day, it baffles me that they are doing this without getting democrats to buy in to something. I think it will be a poor result. Harris you may want to get to the senate. Charlie yes, and when it gets past and the democrats can hang this entire thing on republicans. Marie heres the problem on preexisting conditions. Every single expert that has looked at this over the last 48 hours says, this will mean less
coverage for preexisting conditions, High Risk Pools do not work out well, and its not enough money, people will see in their lives a change and preexisting condition coverage. Republicans are making promises they cant keep. That is a problem. Harris you have said before, and i think now is a valid point more than ever, that the American Public needs to know more about whats going into this bill in the process. Im seeing on my twitter feed rate now that people have been trying to google it. What are your thoughts . Meghan what happens today isnt going to be the final bill that goes through the senate. As much as we can celebrate something happening today, i have no reason to believe that the exact battle that have been in congress isnt going to manifest itself again and the senate over things like preexisting conditions, over things like medicaid, expansion expansion, harris are you frustrated by this process . Meghan yes, because the
momentum is waning a little bit. I was made a lot of promises and i was quite upset when they didnt come to fruition. I think the ideological battle will continue on and will be talking about this for a very long time. Sandra this is a significant moment. Newt gingrich this morning on fox friends said the passage of this bill will be an extraordinary moment, an example of President Trumps negotiating prowess. When he talked about momentum, he also commented on Speaker Paul Ryan getting credit saying he deserves a lot of credit for never backing down, despite the setbacks. Charlie what he is primarily talking about is if there are some changes and it too medicaid, medicare, that allow the bill to realize very large and important savings over a tenyear period, if thats a silver lining, that is a significant silver lining. Sounds good. We should know in the next few minutes because if they are close to being on schedule, although out of the corner my
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