0 analysis that don't necessarily think it's incorrect. the brian williams goes a little far for a news caster, in my opinion. >> he probably shouldn't have said the republicans started this. isn't that not factually accurate? >> well, i think what gives me is that the media pretending as if negotiating over these things is unprecedented or even shutting down the government is unprecedented. the government has been shut down under unified governments. adding that context is important and they have totally failed to do that. >> and what about president obama saying politicians should stop lisping to radio talk shows and bloggers. >> you know, the latter part of that statement, howie, was that everybody should stop listening to people who profit, profit from this kind of conflict. and i think there's a big story there in terms of the fund-raisers and people, especially on the right, who have, i think, backed ted cruise and instigated this and gone online and raised money -- >> no, no time. i don't think they -- and bill clinton. >> i don't think they were the instigators. >> let me move you off of politics. couldn't it be said that the media profited from this snipt became a deadline and cable ratings were up. >> absolutely. i mean, it was -- even on radio, you listen to the news radio station, they had, you know, countdown to break yoen or whatever it was. it was endless. and i think it does. we talk about the politics going crisis to crisis. media goes crisis to crisis. and guess what? the ratings go up. >> and the advertisers sure are happy. >> let me play for you a couple of interviews, snippets of a couple interviews by news anchors. these are not professional commentators. let's take a listen. >> about it? >> who initiated this protest? it was tea party republicans. come on, ben, cut the crap. don't give me that. >> well, i don't -- i'm not -- okay. cut the crap. i love how you assume that everybody that is a conservative tea partier was going to be out there -- >> when it comes to obama care, do you hate obama care more than you love your country? >> i've got to tell you something. i think that comments like that that you are making are just incredibly inappropriate. what we have to realize -- >> you don't think it's incredibly inappropriate to shut down our government and to take all the hostages of america that you've taken -- >> no, i hate your comment. >> you hate obama care more than you love our country. >> wow. that is an anchor, not an opinion person, taking quite a stand. i mean, i think that a lot of people know that msnbc has decided to go mostly partisan. there are very few people, chuck todd, andrea mitchell, who are straight down the line journalists. although even chuck todd said that ted cruz was from another planet. and i think we've seen a lot more of that. cnn is largely fair. and don lemon seems to get a path when it comes to this. he's the anchor of cnn news room on weekend edition and he's said things like the party is dominated by aging white americans and some very vocal bigots. that's some harsh language. >> right. now, on the other side, mary catherine, shawn has drawn some critici criticism. salon did a piece saying he had three couples on talking about how they were hurt by obama care. one was a businessman who had laid off people, but his business was so small it wasn't covered by obama care. the only two say their premiums were going up and they hadn't checked to see if it would or would not go up with obama care. >> i think that's what happens. .frankly, i think the right feels because most of the terms of niche media. and i think there is some responsibility in a part of news media to make sure people have a sense of the larger picture. when they say, oh, you know what? these folks say they have to shut down the government on principal, why doesn't somebody say, wait a minute, what principal? i think it is the obligation of media to point out when people are misbehaving. >> and we have the obligation to point out this has happened many, many times before sometimes with democrats arguing with democrats. so it is not this out of this world thing that just naturally -- all of a sudden obama is like we don't negotiate over that stuff any more. i think that's not a lie. >> to negotiate over you a las that passed and say i'm going to shut down the government if you go to a law that's three years old and say, defund it. >> when obama ends up having to come and ask for delay later, i look forward to the media gymnastics and say that's totally unreasonable. >> let's take a step back and look at this whole -- there must be a half million pieces talking about who won and who lost and basically almost every commentator and news outlet said president obama won this negotiation. >> it is easier to compile a list of winners and losers than it is to actually explain what is happening, what we're missing, what is wrong with the government. stay a quick google search. you have guardian, "new york times," nc news all with headlines saying the winners and the losers in the shutdown battle. but there are other explainers out there. they're just not at dominant. >> but when these various arms and legs of the media say obama won, i don't think there's any dispute if you look at it in the short-term political sense, let's look at the polls. the president came out better. he got most of what he wanted. republicans took the blame, even from other republicans. but to focus on how little was accomplished as a stoop gap measure and we have to go through this again in 90 days? >> no. >> some journalists have pointed that out. >> but that's a critical message. in short supply at the moment because every, instead, wants to treat it like a horse race. we treat elections like that and we treat crisis like that and i think it ill serves the public. i think it's media malpractice. >> here is one more question. how many times has obama beat republicans politically at the expense of confidence in the government? i don't think it's a great idea for liberalism. regardless of who wins politically, confidence in government to do big things, which he what he likes, goes down. i can that's something he needs to know about. >> it took the spotlight, the media spotlight off of what's happening with the glitches and the computer glitches of obama care. i think that had we not been focusing on winners and losers, we would have seen a lot more. >> watch this. watch this. next step for conservative media, all about the hellish aspects of obama care because now, having sensed that there was a law -- >> you wouldn't agree that it's a nightmare? >> we don't have any evidence that it's a nightmare. what we have is that they've had problems with the technology. >> nbc reported yesterday that 580,000 people just got a notification that their stuff is gone now. >> i won't use the word glitches any more because i think this is a full fledged disaster and not just a few days of people trying to get on. and i will say this, when we do the winners and losers which costs a political mentality that affect tess media, i say the news business was hurt by this because we were seen in part because of our caustic tone and taking sides, we were seen as part of a dysfunctional mess in washington. and i think a lot of people out there are sick of it and bored by it. ahead, i'll play referee in the latest media scrimmage over the washington redskins name controversy. but when we come back, ted cruz, is he being pounded unfairly? that's next. no matter how busy your morning you can always do something better for yourself. and better is so easy with benefiber. fiber that's taste-free, grit-free and dissolves completely. so you can feel free to add it to anything. and feel better about doing it. better it with benefiber. it's not a candy bar. 130 calories 7 grams of protein the fiber one caramel nut protein bar. losing thrusters. i need more power. give me more power! 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