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Evening welcome. I am steve hilton. This is not the show that i hope to bring you. Were following aftermath of a horrific terror attack. It was in london. Interview with britains former justice security wholl help break down the Security Response to the attack. The first we go to mike who live for us in london, what is the latest to the ground there. You talk about very latest, officials are now breaking a big sigh of relief, because round 2 of that Ariana Grande grande in manchester, seems to have been pulled off without major trouble, 50,000 people gathering in manchester, target was hardened up a bit with mayor police press begin, Ariana Grande greeting her fans to deafening cheers, saying this is the medicine this world needs, a litany of other pop stars joined her, were at point now where we can say people made it back home without major police front. Two raids conducted outside of boroughs of london. 12 people were rounded up as Deputy Commissioner of police said, they are looking for now is the extended network, someone who may have helped the attackers here. Police believe they say with increasing certainty as far as anyone who participated in the attack, they are all dead. Steve the other big even. Apart from the concert is general election thursday in the u. K. What are people saying about how this may or may not affect that . Well, it is interesting to watch because the Prime Minister theresa may said she would call for a one day moratorium on campaigning, her opponent said she used her position to advance their position, criticizing the left, saying they will take a harder view toward islamic radicalism. Using words like evil ideology, cracking down on cyber safe spaces where radical are able to breed and grow if you will. The left looked at that and responded, accusing theresa may and her party of austere measures that implication is they weakened police and led to this. The gloves come back off tomorrow with the big day thursday. Steve i saw a lot of conversation, was response of police last night, what has been talk around that . It seems there is a lot of support for police, and timing, this attack happened and matter of minutes you had armed police on the scene chasing down the attackers, 8 minutes later it was over, you heard from Deputy Commissioner there. Saying that some 50 rounds were fired, you have to keep in mind they were fired on streets crowded with pub goers, there is a report now that one person was caught with a stray round that stands to reason that stray round would have come from police. But you had big crowded streets and attackics attackerring that were taken care of, killed in a matter of minutes, and threat eliminated. Steve thank you, so much, mike could we appreciate it. We have an exclusive hire, a short time ago i spoke with justice secretary in Prime Minister David Camerons cabinet, i asked him what more needs to be done now to keep people safe. Michael thank you for joining us, i just wish it wasnt in such awful circumstances, uk had three terror attacks in a few months, what do you think people must be feeling . There must be a sense that authorities have lost control. What more do you think they mead to do now to protect people . In there. There is a profound sense of sadness, after terrorist attacks in 2005 when so many people were killed there were no significant attacks on british soil. There were individuals caught up in violent, and Prime Minister responding saying more needs to be done, enough is enough, she ahead she has been clear. I think hopefully she has divided our responses to two areas, a Security Response, a review of laws and changes to which internet giants operate, but also critically, she put spotlight on ideology, said well never win this if we concentrate on defense and Security Solutions alone. Steve i want to get into each of those in a second, but i want to pick up on something that was really call the our attention caught our attend cher here itin u. S. After manchester attack, the british authorities briefed media that effect in uk today there are 23,000 jihadis, that they know of, they are only able to track 3,000 of them. That sounds like a very scary picture. Is there not more that could be done to increase the surveillance and control those 23,000 jihadis that are known to the authorities . There absolutely, is there are premier League Football stadiums that could not hol holl those people. So more must be done, you are right. One thing we can look at, is using something called the terrorist prevention measure, we can beef that up, we used to have control orders but that individuals who were of interest to us could be restricted in who say saw some what they viewed online, and contacts with others, the orders would be deliberately shrined to ensure people who joined a genuine threat were not ableo associate with others who were bent on causing the more horrific acts. Steve i want to bring in there are aspect of this argument, a lot of people have been interested in here, the question of immigration and brexit, and relationship between british law and european law. This something you have been very focused on. Yes. Steve do you think that the ability of uk authorities to respond to deal with and prevent terrorism will improve after the uk leaves the eu . Absolutely, that is not just my view, but that of intelligence chiefs of britain and america. They sometimes give given struco our judges and parliament that means we cannot pass laws or deport criminals that we think are necessary to keep our people safe, more than that, if you have control of your border, and control of your laws, you can ensure not just that you keep people out but that also deal in a fast and effective way with individuals who mean your country harm, the point has been made before, that current way in which the eu operates provides an opportunity for terrorist and extremists to operate with a greater degree of freedomathon anthan any of us would want to e in interest of national security. Steve another version of that, that theresa may pointed to today, giving terrorists safe staces tspace to operate is one had a strong message for Silicon Valley Tech Companies calling on them to do more to fight terror, where do you stand on that. A precious thing that internet brought is the ability for people to communicate, make connection and strengthen relationships. That is a great thing, but with any new technology there is a potential for people who wish us ill and want to destroy relationships and freedom, ban n ub back to dark ages, i would like to see leaders of tech giants and government working together because, i think it would be wrong if we had heavy handed legislation that would inhibit the Free Exchange of information between citizens across the globe but we do need to recognize there are roots that are exploited by terrorists, if we could find a way of ensuring as we have to be fair in the parse with issues lao fast with issues like child pornography, means by these responsibility could have their activities closed down and then hunted down themselves so. The better. Next part 2 of my interview, he explains the longterm nature of that Terror Threat. I promise you, you will not hear a better explanation of what is going on anywhere. 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Others say this is inherent, this is also an error, islam is to ideology to islam as communism is to socialism, it takes a nobel ideal. And is ram, it a noble faith that sustains and inspires billions to act of charity. What islamism does it turns that generosity into recent resentment. Islamism saying that it is a responsibility of musliming to create an Islamic State with very, very strict sharia law, and to fight against those who are unbelievers to advance that goal. Creation of an Islamic State whether the caliphate that straddles syria and iraq or something more ambitious. Is what drove islamism, bin laden, and albaghdadi, it is futile to think they are driven by distaste for a president or Foreign Policy, they are driven by a dark hatred of the west, liberalism, christianity and juda implement the waism,. Peoplmuslim brotherhood we needo study their writing. Counter the organization that operate in their name. Steve you mentioned a few of people who were driving this. Ideology, lets umpac unpack thw long has this force, around . Is there a points, where you can say this person started it. There have been currents within islam that have been violent and austere and extreme in the past. Including wahhabi movement. That has stood behind the monarchy. But, islamism as we went it, is 20th century phenomenon. It was a reaction to the what was seen as islams decline. People thought post colonial egypt and pakistan, look, islam once swept all before it. Now were in retreat and our societies are poorer, and less well governed. Why is it, when we were in receipt of what should have been final revolution, we should be chosen people that things are so wrong in the muslim world. Conclusion ka they came to, it t Muslim Leaders been insufficiently extreme. For that reason. The they had been on the retreat, these individuals said if were going to recover you know the position we had in the world, more than a thousand years ago, what we need to do is go back to seeking to live literally in many ways as prophet and companions lived in iinthe eighth century. Allied to a sophisticated use to tw21st Century Technology to advance their goals. Steve thank you, michael. That was helpful. You put it in its context this goes back nearly a century. This did not just happen because we invaded iraq. It has been going on for decades. I appreciate you explaining that to us. If people should understand more deeply youre book is a great place to start. Thank you, steve. Steve now here is an interesting angle. In her remarks today uk Prime Minister theresa may blamed Silicon Valley for helping terrorism thrive. Is that fair . Is she trying to shift blame for her own failures. We take up issue up with our panel, including soi including n valleys very own member of congress. Radio scorching heat today folks, stay cool out there [ barks ] walter stop suffering with hot ac. Cool it yourself with a c pro. Just connect the hose, squeeze the trigger and check the gauge. With 2 times the cooling boosters enjoy the comfort of the 1 selling coldest air. Nothing cools like a c pro. I have spoken with prime mi expressed our support, ourvei allies in the uk. That United States will do everything in our power to assist the united kingdom. And bring those that are guilty to justice. America sends our thoughts, our prayers and deepest sympathies to the victims of this evil slaughter be we renew our to resolve, stronger than everhy tv before to protect the unitedrene states and its allies from a enemy that has waged war on innocent life and it has gone on too long. This bloodshed must end. This bloodshed will end. President trump moments ago expressing support for the u. K. Welcome back i am steve hilton, a striking thing about british Prime Minister theresa mays remarks outside 10 downing street was her extremely attack on Silicon Valley. It needs to breed. Yet that is what the internet, and Big Companies that provide internetbased services provide. We need to work with allied democratic governments to reach initiainitial agreement International Agreement that regulate cyberspace. We need to do everything we can at home to reduce the risk of extremism online. Steve i am joined by congressman connor a democrat who represents Silicon Valley. I am joined with sandra smith. And rahon salon. Congressman, you first, you represent Silicon Valley, that was a pretty strong attack, pretty much blaming the Tech Companies for terrorism. On human level, my heart gos out to the Prime Minister and the loss. But, i would love her to visit Silicon Valley, they dont have a policy of safe spaces, they have a policy that says they want to crete create a hostile environment for terrorists and they will remove anyone promoting or recruiting terrorism to point a lot of Internet Companies have removed user names, even when Law Enforcement is not asking, the question is how they do this wheewhile keeping an open intert which is a biggest challenge that that is how we defeat this. Steve i am not feeling here, 100 defending tech company, but there is one thing that really drives me crazy, all very well. Very politicians to blame the tech company they want more powers to snoop and spy, but every time we have an attack it turns out sandra that authorities knew the people that were involved, this particular headline in london times. In times, we have it, london bring terror attack extremist was reported to police for fryintrying to radicalize childn about one man respected them to police after he accessed online rants of a radical american preacher, and said he was recruiting local schoolkids. This plays to fears we have every time we see these terrorist attack, we learn that there were red flags, they announce it on twitter or facebook, then they claim responsibility on social networking sites, you get treata may standing up there and playing to fears of the people who say, why are the Technology Companies not doing more. They get away from root of problem by asking that question, you hit it with justice former justice secretary, with your wonderful interview, he said that Technology Companies have to be willing to work with government, i am sure you can tell us more on whether or not they are doing, that but we know they have a huge task at hand, Mark Zuckerberg hired 3 thousand more workers to try to fight this. There are questions about whether or not they can stop this. Steve never mind the Tech Companies if police, you saw it with manchester, the attacker was reported to polica antiterror hot line, where are police not doing more . We saw great response last night, a lot of support for police in their response to the attack. But what about before . Sandra mentioned that american islam who had Youtube Video posted and indirectly radicalizing one of these attackers, the thing circumstance this guy is in jail, he has not been regular creating fresh, new exciting internet content, this is old content. The virus is spreading over the internet, but, vast majority of people have antibodies they resist it, who are those who are susceptible to it . On the one hand, have you some of the spreads by internet on other hand you have real world social networks, in which have you people talking to one another and they take abnormal ideas and make them seem normal through the social inter action. Reason that isis is proving, deadlier than al qaeda, al qaeda had a topdown controlling operation, they said well give you operational plans, and clean. Isis takes an open source oproach where they have scabs of people from working class neighborhood in brussels and paris, coming to join isis, they radical icradicalize them, theyk to their country, and they spread. This is real world on the ground social network, of course, the internet is a part of it, but smaller part than we would like to think, technology is not going to solve the problem, the real problem is in real world community. Steve well talk about that question of what goes on in community and lack of integration. But back to Security Response, policing, if we have time after time the attackers known to the authorities, that is phrase they use, why isnt anything happening . You saw justice tell us, he said football stadiums could be filled with the aim o amy johnse of interest in london authorities, how do you hand they will big of a threat . How. Let me suggest twoways have technology could help on this. One is we have tell counter scoring, refugees that are coming, right, why isnt anyone saying, why are they leaving isis . That is terrible, they coming to america we have best excess stance in the world, i want to put refugees on internet tell their story, that is what Ronald Reagan would have done, say could, you are leaving, you are coming to greatest country in the work tell your story lets put that out, the second thing there is a dartmouth professor who has came up with a software that deal with child pornography. Well lets find his research to make sure we come up with Artificial Intelligence and software he is working on to identify hatefilled terrorism promoting videos and allow Tech Companies to do, that i would like to see. I am serious well hopefully Prime Minister coming to Silicon Valley, concrete solutions to advance that fight. You mentioned leaving. The hotbed of incubation of terror and going out a lot to europe and here. Is does feel in this new administration you have a different approach in terms of the Foreign Policy. The attacking of vice at its source. You have got a new president in this country who says, we have to acknowledge that we are at war. You have to name the enemy. That is huge contrast to what we saw the last 8 years here. This is a president that is tackling this fight head on. In a different way than were used to, this causing an emotional respond here. But, whichever side of the a. M. E you sit on, there is a huge problem falling in the lap of this president. This is unbelievably historic moment. Steve well have to pause, come back and talk about a lot of different aspects of this. Because, stopping isolationism that leads to radicalization. Is such an important part of it, we need to take this break first. Dale. Dale oh, hey, rob. Whats with the minivan . Its not mine. I dont dale, honey, is your tummy still hurting, or are you feeling better to ride in the front seat . Oh is this one of your motorcycling friends . Hey, chin up there, dale. Lots of bikers also drive cars. 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The first time uk faced reality of homegrown islamist terrorism, people born and raised in britain who were prepared to murder their fellow citizens in name of their sick ideology, 12 years ago, a young politician David Cameron was preparing to run for leadership of british conservative party, i was right by his side. We called for a tougher security and Foreign Policy response, and focused on something else, the fact that over many years of failed policies, britain allowed a dangerous social isolationism to take hold. We wanted to see more cultural integration, here is what David Cameron said at the time. The most powerful way to bring people together to to did things together. I am struck when someone with my father generation, they reply in a similar way, it is something we all did together. 12 years ago we set out a plan for a modern version of National Service, to prepare teenagers their responsibility as adult citizen that enables people to meet people from different backgrounds and teaches them life long lesson were all in thissing itogether. We have duties to our fellow it is citizens, we set up National Citizen service, 200,000 british teenagers so far have gone through it, on the way to reaching goal it set out that every person in uk should spend time away from home with people from different backgrounds serving the community, thankfully america is a much better integrated society than britain. But we need to work hard at it, i think that a program for modern National Service would be a great idea for america today. To help make sure that isolationism does not grow. What do you think . I find thatd idea attractive, because i see a lot of challenges ahead, a lot of american are sanguine about fact we dont see same kind of ter it terrorist violence in parts of europe, but were seeing some similar conditions, looking at migrants who set ne settle in uy bring skills, talented and complicated histories, some of those, allow them make it easy for them to flo flourish. But others for whom that is not the case, in those cases it is easy for resentment to build up and alienation to take hold. Looking at britain for example, have you folks from rural pakistan now people who are grandchildren of those early arrivals they continue to be socialy segregated from other folks, here our Muslim Population tend to be people who are more educated, what have you. Some ways you have People Living in some communities their lives are so different from those better off, the thing is these are people who are native born, in europe you see second generation, we talk about refugee. Actually manchester attacker was son of libyan refugees. Britain opened up its arms to welcome these people to take them in, and yet the son did not for whatever reason feel like a full member of british society. That is what is scary, you are right we need to be vigilant. And Citizen Service is one way that we could help build the bond, i am for it, we need to be thoughtful about people we bring are these people going to be in a position to flourish or will they need help, that we necessarily be wont necessarily be able to provide. Steve that is a really smart analysis. Congressman your take. I am an immigrant to the u. S. , one thing that i think is so attractive, there is this idea of america that we buy into. Do you think that is holding . We have this shared sense of National Identity or is this something that may be in danger of slipping away. If so what do we do. I was born in philadelphia in 1976. To son of immigrants this common american identity is important, i think we should do, i am open to National Service but american should read 4 things. I love, that one of my favorite things have done is going to National Constitution center with my children in philadelphia. That is what its about. Learning what it feels like to walk in someone elses shoes in this country, you see such a sensitivity, of fear over what divides us were quick to say, you can practice your religion here, but go do it over there and well do our thing over here, rather than uniting and learning from those other relynn rereligions and cultures, but you know i am a business girl, what are the costs. Steve i knew you would say that. Thank you. Steve when we come back changing gears, President Trump pledged to drain the swamp. And im pledging to make sure he did. A segment you will see a lot on the show, swatch watch, the next revolution is coming right back. Its happening, its happening. 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Well be holding all swamp dwellers accountable as well as president for his promise to rein them in this week we focus on the banks thei reach throught the economy and affect everyones life. Said banks are quote, single biggest cause of rising inequality, distortion of public policy. And pain and anger. Banks industry has a swampy stench because of the re revolving door between banks and the government. He is in charge of regulating the banking industry, a industry he spent his career protecting. He worked for years in a law firm where he represented banks, many are regulated by office that me now runs. That i want to make sure people at top of government are on their side too. Bill clinton appointed robert ruben who spent 26 years at Goldman Sachs as his treasury secretary. 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We want to leave you with a positive agenda, this week, we were planning to talk about what i think is number one issue of america, jobs and income. Well get to that next week. For now, my priorities for fighting the Terror Threat that was highlighted with london attack. We need to attack the incubatorh of terror with overwhelming military force, wherever theyck are in the world. That is not enough. Two, we need to improve our domestic Security Response, the attacks were seeing are not from lone wolves but knowno imeu wolves. Securre if Security Services know about them, they should be able to stop them, three, no more defending the indefensible. Rate lets work on a plan for modern National Service for all american use to help bring our country together, and stay yth together. That is all we have time for tonight. You can learn more about the next revolution by followingous facebook, twitter and instagram. Before we leave you, thanks to my first panel here on the next revolution i am so happy you could join us. Thank you to you at home for joining us. I just about got through it, i am steve hilton. Join us again next week for the next revolution. Fox news alert, terror strikes a world away from america. Islamic state terror group said is responsibility for London Bridge pass murder last night. British Prime Minister theresa may saying enough is enough. Lets revisit the crime scene now about 24 hours old, witness say that this white van, slammed into a group of people on the London Bridge, three attackers were in the van to drove into a popular area be they pull out knives and started killing. One of the victims reportedly stabbed from behind