0 because good cook suggest not done over a explosion but over a steady heat. people in washington taking a stand, but the question is are they governing. most people don't care about the process in the kitchen but care about the finished product. governing is about mastering the %pnourishing and not make us be sense. some of the talk show host ought to run for office and find out what it is really about. well, house republicans are not getting much traction in the latest battle in washington. so did they pick the wrong fight? we'll ask the author of the declaration of independence. and how libertarian politics can fix america. and ja mu green former advisor to hillary clinton and fox news contributor. >> and both of you here. >> and you think we have blurred the lines between governoring and talking. >> i will start by saying bravo. you want some of the bar-b-que. i mean your common sense and republican colleagues and dc need your common sense. everything you just said that you could be thes a in the hole in your party. in the democracy, you get what you want by convincing. >> the republicans lost the argument and we have gone in a campaign mode since 2010 that is hurting our fragile economy. >> matt, has it gotten out of the hand where they lost sight of the goal to see if they can issue the bar and in of the language is over the top and worse i have heard. >> republicans had an incredibly winning hand six months ago. we had three big dead lines in march just like in october. and they were the debt ceiling and conditioning resolution and sequester and john boehner separated that. he got that and we could have had a throw$.6 trillion budget passed in april in this country which would be flat spending revenue across all levels and then in october onest it would be obama roll out day instead of government shutdown day and the debt ceiling negotiation that came october 17th would be something that republicans had the upper hand. americans don't want the debt ceiling raised without conditions as least they didn't until now. and the republicans and mangled and combined the issues and hurt their strong negotiating. >> i think you are are right. democrats would be defending obama care through the glitches and instead republicans helped to change the subject and threw the democrats a lifeline. ja mu. the democrats instead of saying okay, we'll get the shutdown over with. and we have made our point, let's move on, they seem to be dug in. and everything that gets open up the monuments and veterans their money and child to the nih for cancer treatment and they say no, we get all-or-nothing. i have never in my life thought that governing was an all-or-nothing proposition. >> it is not a all-or-nothing and democrats have caved in a number of ways, look at the numbers that are tied to the continuing resolution that could pass boehner brought it up, they include massive spending cuts that across the board spending cuts through sequestration and democrats don't want this number but said we need to fund the government and move on from this and boehner is not taking them up on the opportunity to bring this to a vote where he has the votes to stop these 30 or some rens from basically setting an untenable precedent. this is not how legislation continues to happen for us to be the strong. >> and the house passed bills and sent it to the senate and harry reid sits on it and nothing ever hatches over there. like a henon eggs. matt, i am trying to figure out. some sent over today and government workers on furlough ought to go home and watch tv and play chess. that is not reasoning together. >> the president set the tone on this one when he said he would not negotiate on the debt ceiling as if that is his call to make. there is a divided in the government by design and the house of representatives, get say in this and you do have to negotiate. the democrats are looking at polls and say that americans rightly in my view hate the government and will blame republicans a bit more. >> and we don't have to negotiate. and we'll let the republicans die on the vine here. and that is overplaying their strong hand. and we are going to give the republicans a life line out of the canyon they built for themselves. >> ja mu, bill clinton understood the art of negotiation, he worked with people. he didn't always enjoy it and heck, i didn't see it either. i know you are probably defending barak obama, but matt's point is well taken, the president is only one- third of the government and he's not all of it. how does jose no negotiation period? >> i think governor, it goes back to the untenable precedent that i said. we cannot have a small number of republicans the minority dictating that they will destroy the economy if they don't get what they want. that is not for president obama or the next president who may be president clinton his significant others and i think if we have our wish. and i think that president obama has been very open with the republicans. >> really? >> and upset many people on the left and compromised it time after time. and this is a final straw that the kid ntz capitol really need to learn their lesson. >> that part of working with them. i missed that chapter and i will have to go back and watch it. >> thank you very. >> and in less than two weeks, the government will not have enough money to pay the bills and will congress get a new credit card or will it cut the spending, we'll talk about it, next. >> i would like to go to hear from you. go to mikehuckabee.com. and sign up for my facebook page and sign up for my facebook page and follow me any last requests mr. baldwin? 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