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(applause) >> thank you. thank you very much. welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios in new york city. this week, the trial of self- proclaimed jihist and army major nidal hasan got under way after four years and $5 million to prepare for the trial. hassan murdered 13 people and unborn child and wounded 32 others in a cold- blooded massacre in fort hood, texas. he continues to receive a military pay which amounts to south of $300,000. we have paid his medical bills and provide him with legal assistance and extraordinary security measures. equally disturbing, despite military rules that prohibit the growing of a beard he will do so in order to accommodate his muslim faith. he will be allowed to pray and read the quoran. and christians are told to remove references on their facebook pages and chaplains ordered not to pray in the name of jesus. and takedown signs that quote a president that said there are no atheist in foxholes because that might be offensive to atheist. it appears there would not be christians and jews in the in new jersey and i don't have time for that. if i am down in washington i will look him up. i didn't expect to be there son. >> republicans don't get their act together pretty soon, can they capture a majority in the senate and wen back the white white. joining me is the xhupgz's director for the republican national committee. and dannon lash who is a te party activist and matt welch and author of the bock of the declaration of independence and how libertarian politic cans fix what is wrong with america. great to have you guys here today. (applause) spawn i know you are spawn spicer. republicans are fighting in the house and senate over whether or not to defund obama care even if it means shutting down significant portions of the government, good or bad idea? >> in general it is a good idea. our party is united as far as getting rid of obama care. more americans are losing health care and costs are going up and the problems continue with the implementation of obama care. what we have a ro best difference is the tactic of how to make that happen. some believe we can defund it in the continuing resolution process and some people believe you can't do that because of the mandatory spending. if we can get resolutions that it can be done, most republicans agree to defund. it but there is a healthy debate on what is the most effective way to do. it everyone wants to get to the same place, it is just how to get there. >> the te party people drew a line in the sand and said if they don't vote to defund or tied to the debt ceiling or budget itself then they are rhinos; is that fair? >> you will see it in the grassroots movement. generally they want to see a republican stand on it. if they are not going to stand to defund it when the time coming to are peel it, they will not stand to repeal it then. there is a lingering general distrust that the grassroots movement has. and with the republican party on. this there is a lot of things that they feel they compromised on before and when ever it comes the discussion of compromise republicans give up the most and democrats have to give up the least is that because republicans got one- half of the house. they don't have the senate or the white house. i mean, the fact is, you are going to own all of the moving parts. >> elections have consequences and we had 3 million republicans that didn't go out and vote. we have lost swing states by a couple of hundred thousand votes. we could have won the states. and elections do have consequences and we don't control the senate. we can't have a repeal. we'll not get harry reid to go along with. that >> matt they have their version of the okay coral l? >> you can't defund obama care. you make a fight out over it and you can't. and it looks like the republicans or group of republicans are threatening to shut down the government, they are going to lose the public relations battle, the media will hammer them to death. and you will see a move toward delaying. and obama is just saying we'll delay that part and that part of obama care. we'll delay everything for one year to allow you to build a politics to it and if you win the nextç election you will ha something to talk about without going to the precipice. >> it so manies like a overton approach. oppose burning it down. what best tactic helps us to move it down the field to our advantage. >> you will see the house under speaker boehner vote 40 times to defund obama care. the commitment is there and we have one house of one branch. we are doing everything that we can. and i think if we want to do this, you need more pieces and get out in the next election and get a republican senate and put a piece off of the board. the commitment and will is there and we need the ability to make it happen. >> if the republicans implode and they call each other names and you don't have guts and courage. >> that is not going to happen. >> doesn't that affect the ability to win and get the senate back next year? >> not necessarily. >> you don't think it does. >> not perceived progressive will hurt us. that statistically can happen. nate vill versaid it could happen. he is right. the bottom line, three polls released in the past 4 or 5 weeks, majority of the americans on the fox news poll. super unpopular and it is unworkable. they want to so it defeated in any way possible. >> we'll have to take a break. we will come back and talk about chairman prebuttis. we may not do debates on your network. and if there is a clash with the libertarian wing of the party. we have a lot to go over. and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what ee comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy?