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[ all speaking at once ] >> you ought to take that back. you ought to take that back. >> no they are not. it 's ter rising america to look like detroit. >> just so he can be a better candidate. >> he's doing it for principle. >> for those of you who support what ted cruz did, let me ask a question. if you fund it, you own it. do you agree? >> first of all, everybody needs to own this. i think the real result of obamacare will happen in the 2014 election. i think the democrats are on the rope s and running scared. we have to focus not on the defund fight alone. there is an issue here sitting in between people and their health providers, between the children and the decision they have to make. that's obamacare. we have to continue to drive the narrative not just of the fight in d.c. it's the fight in the street of how bad it is for individuals. you're going to see in 2014 this is going to come back and crush them. >> let me ego to tamara. you used rape, hostage. what was the other term? >> republicans are standing between our leg s. they want to control women's health care. >> the popularity of congress is at an all-time low. >> going down. >> let me go to doug on this. it's at an all-time low. this is a guy who believes in what he believes in and puts his money where his mouth is. this helps ted cruz but embarrasses everybody else. >> it helps cruz running for president. it hurts america. it leads to a government shutdown, more chaos. the financial markets have been going down for six days and will continue to be in turmoil. we are t at economic risk. what we are t not hearing tonight and we are not getting in washington is bipartisan consensus to make health care work for americans. little and the government will subsidize it like a subsidy is a good thing. or 40% out of pocket if you have uh a bronze plan. we are talking about a bill that stinks. if currently we are putting the spotlight on it through congress, i am all for it. by the way, surgeons stand for 21 hours like that. i admire that. >> let me give -- hang on. let me -- [ shouting ] >> you are wrong. you are wrong. >> wait one second. let me give you some shock. wall street journal. these are real numbers, real people. you have a guy in nashville, tennessee, 27 years old, nonsmoker. he pays $41 a month before obamacare. it's going up to $114. if you have likewise the bronze policy and a guy in philly, it rises to $195 for the same 27-year-old. $73 to $195. in wyoming, from $82 to $271. >> 30 million are still without -- the idea was to get insured the uninsured. according to the cbo 30 million will be uninsured still. a dismal failure. >> not true. >> the cbo did say that. >> the truth will set you free. >> the reality is once the affordable health care act takes place 6 of 10 uninsured americans right now will be able to purchase health care for less than $100 per person. this boils down to what type of country we want to live in. do we want to live in a country where you have a good job b you can get good health insurance and if you don't -- >> the cbo also said this is going to lead to bankruptcy, financial ruin. we can't sustain it. >> absolutely. the question is what kind of health care. the new york times reported a couple of days ago there are actually going to be lower premiums, at what cost? that's a limited network of providers. people in the state of california participating in the exchanges won't be covered at any u.c. hospitals. any of the doctors working in the hospital, you can't go to them as a specialist. yeah, you may get health care. what the insurance companies are trying to do is get around the preexisting conditions part of the bill to say we are not going to cover complicated the conditions. if you go to specialists or more than one doctor, i'm sorry. >> you have the insurance card but not the doctors. >> we'll take a break and come back. coming up, more with the live stud owe audience throughout the hour. later, we'll be joined by rand paul, mike lee, james inhofe . you can respond t at hannitylive.foxnews.com as we continue. ♪ ♪ unh ♪ [ male announcer ] you can choose to blend in. ♪ or you can choose to blend out. the all-new 2014 lexus is. it's your move. her busy saturday begins with back pain, when... hey pam, you should take advil. why? you can take four advil for all day relief. so i should give up my two aleve for more pills with advil? 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>> you are doing your audience a tremendous disservice. >> telling the truth? >> nope. you are infusing them with some sort of deluded hope this bill will ever be repealed under this president. >> is she answering my question ? >> i am answering the question. you can rattle off how people with pre-existing conditions the framers of the u.s. constitution didn't want an all powerful president. they gave only congress the ability to tax and borrow. the idea was the president has to negotiate in order to fund the government or it gets shut down. james madison, the chief architect of the constitution said in federalist 58 if the president reaches for more power, stop funding. >> you raise an important point. jennifer, republicans -- i'm disappointed except for ted cruz, rand paul, mike lee, marco rubio and jeff sessions and james inhofe and pat roberts. i'm trying to get all their names. i'm disappointeded they are so fearful of being blamed for a government shutdown, democrats don't have the fear. why do republicans have this fear? >> republicans continue to have trouble leading. i tell her what the president said. dls a $10,000 swing. that's the reality of where we are now. based on what he said when he was selling this. he said it would be $900 billion. we are way beyond that. why is there re luck tans to acknowledge the truth that the numbers don't add up? >> right now the democrats can't lose. that's why they don't bother acknowledging it. i watched most of the ted cruz thing. >> i was, too. see my eyes. >> i'm a republican. it was great, exhilarating but it felt for me like a "seinfeld" episode. i didn't understand the point. right now according to charlie cook republicans have an 18-point advantage amongst independents. >> yep. >> unless it was to rally the base and allow red state democrats to have to re vote for obamacare again. >> what's the point? >> unless it comes out with a victory -- >> maybe this is what i got from ted cruz. i will let others speak. i thought it was refreshing to see somebody that wasn't making political calculations but was standing on principle. by the way, every republican ran on a platform to get rid of obamacare and re place it. re peel and re place. >> it took reagan 16 years to win the 164 election. goldwater won in 1980. we don't know what will happen in two, three, four years. this patriot stood and fought. he may lose, but long term he'll win it. the republicans weren't hurt despite what doug says in 1995, # 6. who controlled the house? who won the presidency twice? >> barack obama was as happy, sean, as you are. >> of course, but the country was better off. >> they have one strategy. let the republicans overplay their hand. let people like bill go out of control and the democrats who can't win the election will because of republican overreaches. >> democrats are happy if republicans fight for their principles. >> yes. correct. >> if republicans cower, they are not happy? >> the republicans will win. >> yes. >> they want republicans to bargain because if republicans bargain, if the republicans stand firm i, so out of touch with the american people it -- >> will you tell doug to shut up? he's talking too loud. don't shake your finger at me . >> we'll have much more with the lively studio audience coming up. rand paul, one of senator cruz's biggest supporters joins me to talk about why he took to the floor last night and this morning and where he thinks the fight to defund obamacare will go from here as we continue. vs,] [ male announcer ] since we began, mercedes-benz has pioneered many breakthroughs. ♪ breakthroughs in design... breakthroughs in safety... in engineering... and technology. and now our latest creation breaks one more barrier. introducing the cla. starting at $29,900. ♪ starting at $29,900. anbe a name and not a number?tor scottrade. ron: i'm never alone with scottrade. i can always call or stop by my local office. they're nearby and ready to help. so when i have questions, i can talk to someone who knows exactly how i trade. because i don't trade like everybody. i trade like me. that's why i'm with scottrade. announcer: scottrade- proud to be ranked "best overall client experience." 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