0 testimony would have been down the other end of the buildings at that point. so somehow those two got back together up at the top of the "t" and, you know, we don't know how that happened but -- and in all likelihood and my mind, you know, even if george zimmerman walked down to where trayvon was, they both walked back up to the "t." so that would have implied that trayvon followed george zimmerman back up. if he didn't, trayvon walked back up to the "t" somehow because then the ear witnesses heard the noises up there, most of the ear witnesses i believe. one of them said the noises went the other direction but the majority of them had the noises coming from the top of the "t" count to the truck where john good saw him laying on the ground or trayvon on top of george zimmerman. the medical examiner, what was going through your mind? >> i was trying to figure out what was going on with -- you know, a guy in his -- with his experti expertise, i understand that that they're not going to be able to remember their autopsies from two years ago or a year ago, every one of the autopsies that they do. i would have thought he would have prepared himself bet we are the notes of his autopsy rather than spending time researching why people can't remember things because that wasn't relevant. so, i was confused about what -- you know, about all that with him. you know. probably best stands out with in my mind with him. >> were there other witnesses that confused you just as much? >> you know, i should remember this. i'm just drawing a blank now. >> how about that dna, going through all that dna, was that tough to follow? >> that was interesting. that's one of the things i was focused on. looking for the evidence, diana tennis, jim hammer, bernie grimm and ted williams. ted, first to you because you sat through some of the trial. your thoughts? >> well, i sat through the trial and i have listened to this alternate juror. as a matter of fact, i think i know who this alternate juror is. i was very observant of the jury. i think he called it the way he saw it. i mean, he -- focus specifically on the injuries. he apparently -- you could see looked at the stand your ground portion of it as here. i don't have a problem with this juror, greta. look. the prosecutors and the defense had to present evidence to this jury. they presented the evidence. some of this evidence was very flimsy and to be candid with you, i don't believe some of the evidence should have come in but the jurors did their job, i believe. >> diana, you're also there listening to this jury thinking -- paid attention and weighing the evidence or irresponsible or anything else? you have respect for him or not? >> well, it's not in me to not respect a juror. that's a tough question, greta. could have -- >> me, too, by the way. >> i think when you get the fresh perspective of a juror and keep in mind this is not somebody who had the advantage of pouring through 13 hours worth of reviewing the evidence and every single tape and every single video that the regular jury got to go through. this guy put all this together alone without anybody else helping with his memory or perspective or assisting his recollection in any way so i think that's pretty impressive. i think it's important for us to see the jurors' perspective. the first juror that came out i thought she seemed a big racially biassed. just in the assumptions she made about trayvon martin and his motivation and what he was up to. this juror really seemed to focus on just kind of here's what the evidence was, this is the pieces of the puzzle i had. i didn't hear from him anything that cued me in to he thought that tray jvon martin is blamed for anything. i'm hoping that the more the public hears about this the more they'll get there's validity. this was a reasonable conclusion that come to. >> jim, your thoughts listening to this alternate juror? >> well, the one thing to emphasize, greta, you made this point. this is one of the jurors that the prosecution picked. for the grassing about this jury, this was a person hand picked by the prosecutor in this case. and having listened to him, you know, there's evidence in the case, there's the law, but there's also jurors take sides at the end of the day. do you think the defendant is culpable, a guilty guy. he said he didn't have to go back to the car. at the end of the day, the juror didn't find fault with zimmerman. a law-abiding citizen. he took the side of the zimmerman. the d.a. failed to convince this juror at least it was zimmerman's fault. >> and of course, the added fact that he said that he believed trayvon was on top of the defendant and that -- >> yes. >> -- and he was paid attention to the injuries that george zimmerman had as bearing heavy listen oiz thoughts. bernie. >> great comments by the panel but the one that's most compelling is ted's comment. it's a man. there's six women on the jury, ted. >> i don't want to give it away, bernie. >> should we both hit bernie? >> you're a detective, bernie. >> i'm going to hit him. >> i think i know who this is. >> yes! >> this is -- this is fascinating, though, greta. >> it was so sold in there and hard to see. but go on, bernie. >> at any rate, this is fascinating, to get inside the mind of a juror. people say jurors don't pay attention. this guy knew every single detail. he remembered testimony, weighed credibility. simply fascinating. this guy came to work. and whether you like the verdict or not, i think greta said it last week. there's no winners in this case. nobody wins in this case but this juror believes he would have gone with the verdict. and he did his homework, that's sure. >> if the goal of the jury is to listen and to weigh the facts and not listen to the noise or the emotion or the passion which, you know, i know people genuinely feel and because it's terrible when there's death but this juror was actually dispassioned. so far, only heard facts. >> very objective. didn't think someone was a liar. that's something to evaluate. he did his homework. very impressive. >> you get the sense, too, ted -- >> i wanted to punch bernie. i'll do that later n. a serious vein, i felt he was credible and what i like ed about this was everybody's dumping on rachel jeantel and at least this juror found her to be credible and when you look at that instance of a question mark of where trayvon is coming towards zimmerman or zimmerman is coming towards trayvon, that appears to be confusion with the jury. >> but the interesting thing about rachel jeantel i thought is she didn't hurt the defense. she was a -- sort of a, you know, an interesting person on the witness stand but not atypical of all walks of life on the witness stand. >> i thought west was somewhat bullying to rachel jeantel and unacceptable. i thought he lord -- >> manners. but that's manners. >> horrible for a lawyer. >> manners or tablctic or straty but she said evidence. i didn't obviously not. >> a lot of commentators said she was the star witness. >> she wasn't. >> because you call that person first doesn't mean this is your star witness. >> because someone may be outstanding or dramatic or another aspect of it to stand out doesn't mean they're the star. it's what you say. a quick break. panel stay with us, of course. we'll hear more from the alternate juror. the hot button issue. alternate juror e54 finding rachel jeantel's testimony to be credible. how about you? 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