0 running around hiding evidence and so forth. >> the country is focused on what case what do you make of it? >> it's surreal. i don't like that they rush to judgment the way they have. >> he didn't know why he was turned into this monster. you guys had a loot to do with it. >> the race profiteers, they have a business model. they have a script. this was a profitable event for them. and they spun george's race as a white man and then later when he became hispanic the media spun his race into white hispanic. >> you took a story that was fed to you and you ran with it and you ran right over him. >> even after the verdict, there was not even the decency to acknowledge that this man, mr. zimmerman, was wrong in assuming that trayvon martin was going anything but abiding by >> i object to that kiss. >> ov-- that question. >> overruled. have you made a decision on whether you want to testify? >> objection. >> i am asking your client questions. please mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify. >> your objection is overruled. >> i've been in the courtroom. >> so have i. >> not being able to prepare or get my witnesses gathered for tomorrow. and i can't do it tonight. >> we're not physically able to put up this pace much longer. it's 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we've had full days every day. weekend, depositions at night. >> don, your reaction i might first add that your job in the criminal court not to be chummy or make friends with the judge but to represent your client much and i tended to fight with junction. but what in the world was going on between the two of you? i'm not going to say okay without putting up a bit of a fight. >> the job is to represent the client aggressively. mark, there is pending this issue of sanctions. you made the accusation that the prosecution withheld information and information you believe that was exculpatory that would help your client. the trial is now over. you won. number one, did they with hold it, was is what we call the brady violation and are you still going to pursue some sort of sanctions? zblrt. >> part of the frustration that don evidenced throughout the trial was the frustration we had pretrial. it was enormously difficult to get discovery from the state attorney's office. 30 years of practice i've never filed a motion for sanctions. in this case i file six against the same state attorney's office. because yes, they were hiding the ball. they had information that was entro on trayvon martin's phone. we know they knew about it in january because the i.t. guy testified to it. when we tried to get the information he told the judge very specifically the prosecutor told the judge he never had it. somebody in the nose you can win a fight, that the decisions that that was not relevant was confounding to me. and frustrating. >> i wonder how many prosecutors, every night there's that fight and every day in the courtroom that fight about whether prosecutors are withholding information. all the stuff with defendants, not your client but across the country. that such an important piece. exculpatory information is withheld from a defendant, it is the most -- it's one of the most egregious mistakes, isn't it, or errors? >> sure, it's across the board. it's not subject to the discovery rules in florida or any other specific state. it's guaranteed by the constitution. exculpatory evidence must be provided by the prosecutor to the defense without demand, frankly. it's their obligation once they see it to provide it. >> did either one of you have a conversation with the judge or the lawyers, the prosecutors afterwards like hard-fought fight and thanks for talking or whatever and go on your merry way? any handshaking or not? >> i didn't shake their hand. and in this case, yeah, good game we'll see you next time. no, not in this case. it would be like shaking the hand after a baseball game of the pitcher who spent nine innings throwing at your head. it was not an honorable prosecution. and i think the comments that we've heard in the last day or so clearly establish that. >> mark, you agree? >> well, they came on record after the jury decided that my client was not guilty and said that he's a murderer, said he was a coward for not getting on the stand. that is egregious conduct in my opinion. how dare they denigrate the jury verdict and by doing that the very process they are sworn to uphold and sit back say the constitutional right not to testify cowardly bow avenue behavior. there were cowards in the courtroom who decided to prosecute based on politics not facts. but the coward was not my client. >> martin family lawyer jasmine rand going on the record. i took her to task for what she said. i wonder what you think. >> i have a greater duty beyond being an attorney. that's to be a social engineer. and when the law doesn't get it right, i believe it we have the right to peacefully and morally conscientiously object to the decision of the jury. that doesn't mean that we believe that it's going to be overturned or that it will or that we don't respect the decision that those six people made. but there are millions of people out there who don't agree with that decision. so it's not just the legal team. [ overlapping speakers ] >> now, that's deeply disturbing to me on the tape. because i happen to be a big believer in the jury system even when i lost the case. but she says the job is to be a social engineer. mark, do you have a thought about that? >> sure. give up her j.d. and go get an engineering degree. that's probably the best thing she can do. because we are bound to an ethical consideration. we are in effect the soldiers of the constitution when we look at a case like this. and we have to instill in the people who we want to believe it our system that they should trust the system, respect it and listen to it. if we have people social engineering away a not guilty verdict, given by a jury after a fair trial, what she's doing is infecting the system with a virus that's going to come back to burn us all. and she needs to rethink her social engineering or at least her degree. >> don, i've been sitting on the sidelines watching. i realize sitting on the sidelines a lot easier than being in the arena like both of you have. i confess i was surprised the night of the verdict you didn't express more empathy for the trayvon martin family. i felt like you were still in the battle mode and talking about all the horrible things that happened to your client. a client that goes through a trial it is a horrible thing. but am i wrong? or do you feel like you showed sufficient empathy? do you have empathy for the martin family? >> definitely have empathy for the family. they went through the tragedy of a loss of a loved one. i evidenced that the first week i was involved in the case when she said she wasn't sure why mr. zimmerman never apologized. i reached out to the family through the lawyers and said i want to have a private, confidential communication where my client wants to apologize for having to have done what he did. that was rebuffed which is the only reason why i ended up doing it then on record in the bond hearing. and we sort of had to go forward with that. so we have always been very respectful to the martin family. i wish that their lawyers had been more respectful to my client's constitutional right to a fair trial and not try this case improperly on false facts in the media for a year and a half. >> well, i will say i agree with mark when i was surprised when the statement was made by the prosecution post verdict about cowardly not testifying. because that is a rather sacred constitutional right. why do you think she said that? >> why do i think the prosecutor said that? >> yes. why? >> because they're desperate grasping at straws, looking for anything to avoid accepting this jury who was extremely conscientious and deliberative. they looked at all of the evidence. we had a couple of hundred pieces. before they deliberated for 1an their verdict but the unquestionably right verdict in this case. their comments are a distraction. and they should be viewed as maybe i'm being too flippant, sour grapes if nothing else. at the other end of the spectrum outrageous. >> gentlemen, thank you both. >> sure, thanks very much. good chatting with you again. now to tonight's hot button issue. how do you rate the media coverage of the zimmer man case? go to gretawire.com to vote. rush limbaugh has something to say about that social engineering remark. you're going to hear from rush limbaugh coming up. plus there is fear tonight of retaliation. did the zimmerman verdict insigincite a violent attack in another state? now we are hearing from four of the zimmerman jurors. find out what they are saying next. ♪ the joint is jumpin' [ male anuncer ] osteo bi-flex helps revitalize your joints to keep 'em jumpin'.° like calcium supplements can help your bones, osteo bi-flex can help your joints. osteo bi-flex... now available in all major retailers and warehouse clubs. in all major retailers every day we're working to and to keep our commitments. and we've made a big commitment to america. bp supports nearly 250,000 jobs here. through all of our energy operations, we invest more in the u.s. than any other place in the world. in fact, we've invested over $55 billion here in the last five years - making bp america's largest energy investor. our commitment has never been stronger. if yand you're talking toevere rheuyour rheumatologistike me, about trying or adding a biologic. this is humira, adalimumab. this is humira working to help relieve my pain. this is humira helping me through the twists and turns. this is humira helping to protect my joints from further damage. doctors have been prescribing humira for over ten years. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. for many adults, humira is proven to help relieve pain and stop further joint damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma, or other types of cancer, have happened. blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure have occurred. before starting humira , your doctor should test for tb. ask your doctor if you live in or have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. tell your doctor if you have had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have symptoms such as fever, fatigue, cough, or sores. you should not start humira if you have any kind of infection. ask your doctor if humira can work for you. this is humira at work. first wait till summer. then get the cars ready. now add the dodge part. ♪ ♪ the dodge summer clearance event. right now get 0% financing for up to 72 months and no payments for 90 days on all dodge vehicles.