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Now running. Chris this hour were joined by two members of the House Intelligence Committee which is leading the investigation, democrat val demingsings of florida and republican Chris Stewart of utah. Both only on fox news sunday. Plus i never thought biden was going to win. Obama took him off the garbage heap. Theyre not going to destroy me, and theyre not going to destroy my family. Of. Chris well ask our sunday panel about the politics of impeachment and how it is already shaking up 2020. And our power player of the week, the Kennedy Centers stunning new expansion, giving audiences a peek behind the curtain. We can put the artists and the audience really close together and see what happens. Chris all right now on fox news sunday. Chris and hello again from fox news in washington. We begin with breaking news. Fox news has confirmed a report there is now a second whistleblower in the trump impeachment case. As first reported by abc news, another intelligence official has spoken to Intelligence Community Inspector General and says he has firsthand knowledge of some of the allegations in the original complaint. The impeachment inquiry has now formally reached the white house with House Democrats issuing a subpoena for records on President Trumps contacts with ukraine and his request for that country to investigate joe biden. President trump acknowledges democrats now have the votes to impeach him, but he refuses to comply with their subpoena, challenging them to hold a formal vote authorizing their investigation. In a moment well speak with two members of the House Intelligence Committee which is now leading the investigation. But we begin with kevin corke live at the white house with the latest. Reporter chris, a vote on the house floor would actually vote, for lawmakers that is, to be on record on impeachment. But the real issue is what happens to those new House Democrats, especially those who come from those recentlyflipped red districts . Subpoenas from three house committees looking for detailed information about the president s conversation with the leader of ukraine. The New York Times reports a second whistleblower allegedly expressed concern about the president s conversation. Over the weekend a skeptical President Trump reacted saying coming from in the deep state the, also with secondhand info. The white house is expected as early as monday to tell Speaker Nancy Pelosi it will not cooperate with any requests until the house moves forward with a vote. Well, well be issuing a letter. As everybody knows, weve been treated very unfairly. Reporter the president also going after critics such as senator mitt romney, one of the few republicans to criticize him for calling on foreign powers to investigate the bidens, a tweet calling romney a pompous ass and a fool. This as pressure builds to release transcripts of testimony from a form you are Ukraine Ambassador and Inspector General michael atkinson. Republicans and democrats have accused each other of selective leaks to shape public opinion. Again, chris, the breaking news that we are following, a second whistleblower. We have confirmed here at fox news alleging to have firsthand knowledge of some of the information in that original whistleblower complaint, something the white house, im sure, will have a great deal of interest in, chris. Chris kevin corke reporting from the white house, thank you. Joining us now from florida, congresswoman val demings, a democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, and the former Orlando Police chief. Congresswoman, welcome to fox news sunday. Good morning, chris, its great to be here. Chris based on the witnesses that the Committee Heard from this week, based on the documents that you have received, do you believe there is now hard evidence that President Trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors, and do you believe that the house will now vote to impeach him . Well, chris, let me begin here. As youve already indicated, i served a lot of years in law enforcement. I had the honor of serving in every rank in my department. I even was appointed to chief of police. I took that job very seriously, as i take this job. When i made the decision to run for congress, i said that the safety and security of our nation is my number one priority, as it should be, because that is the foundation, i believe, that we build the American Dream upon. I believe if you look at the evidence over the past about ten days or so right now, i think its pretty clear that the president tried to coerce a foreign country into investigating a political rival and use muchneeded military aid as a condition of the deal. When you look at the readout from the administration, from the president himself, it corroborates everything, all of the information that is in the whistleblowers report. And so we cannot ignore what is painfully right or obviously right in front of us. And, yes, i do believe that the president dangerously abused his oath of office and his administrative powers which risks our national security. Chris so to, again, ask you my question directly, do you believe he is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors and that the house will impeach him . I believe that a abuse of power as we have seen over the last ten days that have been so detailed and appropriately laid out by the whistleblower, i think the elements are there. I think that the evidence that we need are there, and i do believe based on that, that we will have to take a serious look at articles of impeachment. Chris whats your reaction to the report this morning that there is now a second whistleblower, a Second Intelligence agent apparently, he has not filed a complaint yet with your committee, but he or she, i should say, has spoken to the Intelligence Communitys Inspector General . Let me just say this, chris, lets deal with the first whistleblower. I believe this is a Career Service employee, a public servant. I consider him or her a patriot, someone who is aware of wrongdoing and has stepped forward at risk, i believe, to themselves. Of course i support what senator grassley said last week, that we need to protect the whistleblower. Im concerned about statements that were made about the from the president about maybe we should handle this person like we used to in the old days and the reporting that a second whistleblower has come forward or is about to come forward, i believe again, would be someone with who sees wrongdoing, hears wrongdoing and wants to do something about it. Chris now, the white house as i pointed out at the beginning your committee, the house, has voted to subpoena documents from the white house. The white house says that it will not release those documents, will not turn them over unless the full house votes to authorize an impeachment inquiry as was done in the cases of bill clinton and Richard Nixon. Why is House Speaker pelosi refusing to hold a formal inimpeachment inquiry . Well, chris, met me say this let me say this, i would hope, you know, this has been a pain ifful time, this past couple of weeks now. I would hope that the white house would cooperate with congress and actually acknowledge the oversight that we have a responsibility to do. However, there is no requirement under the constitution that we have a full house vote. There is no requirement under house rules that we have a full house vote. And there is no precedent that we have a full house vote that really drives chris wait, wait, wait. Congresswoman, you say theres no precedent, there have only been two times under the history under the rules we now have in the both the Hillary Clinton case and the Richard Nixon case, there wases a clear precedent. The full house voted and authorized a full impeachment inquiry, so theres a precedent. There is no requirement, again, under the constitution and no requirement under house rules that that is the procedure that we follow. But, chris, let me jutte just say this, this past ten days has been painful for members of the house on both sides of the committee. Obviously, its been quite painful for the senate even though too many senators are quiet on this issue. And so we need to conduct a very methodical, very author owg investigation. With we need to review all documents as we begin the process of making a very, very important historical decision. And so based on the information that we have, i believe that every american should be painfully concerned about what they have witnessed over the last couple weeks. Chris we also learned this week that the original, the first whistleblower originally reached out to the democratic staff of the House Intelligence Committee all the way back in august, and yet on september 17th your chairman, adam schiff, was asked about any contact with the whistleblower. Heres what he said. We have not poken directly with the whistleblower, we would like to. Spoken directly. Chris now, the Washington Post gave chairman schiff four pinocchios for that comment, and heres how President Trump reacted. I think its a scandal that he knew before. Id go a step forward, i think he probably helped write it it. Chris first of all, is there any excuse for chairman schiff not being up front and saying, yes, there was contact . And secondly, didnt chairman schiff in effect get advanced word maybe it wasnt detailed but some advanced word about the nature of the complaint which led to him to push this story the even before all of you got the transcript of the president s phone call . Chris, let me just say this, with the president being accused of using his power and abusing his a office to coerce a foreign country to assist in an election, its kind of amazing that we would try to make the news of the day around, center around chairman schiffs words as a it pertains to contact with the whistleblower. Chairman schiff has, as you know, has served several terms in congress. He has been a person who has provided Exceptional Leadership are, and chairman schiff said he could have stated, responded to that question in a more clearer way. When he was asked the question, my understanding is that he was thinking of has the whistleblower come before the committee. Is the committee aware of the nature of the complaint. No. The whistleblower had not come before the committee, nor was the committee or even staff aware necessarily of the nature of the complaint. It was a question about procedure and process chris all right. Let me im running out of time, so let me ask you my final question. There is also criticism of chairman schiff for the way he laid out, the way he basically seemed to state President Trumps phone call with the ukrainian president in that congressional hearing with the director of national intelligence. Here is chairman schiff. I have a favor i want from you though, and im going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand . Lots of it. Chris as President Trump says, that its just not true. It isnt what the president says. You know, its one thing because there are questions about chairman schiff. He at one time talked about having evidence of collusion in the russia case, the special counsel found no ed of collusion. Its no evidence of collusion. Its one ting to talk like that in a press conference, its another to make stuff up in a congressional hearing on the possible impeachment of a prime minister. Chris, i believe what the of a president. Chris, i believe what the special counsels report said was that the elements of conspiracy, the information that they were able to obtain the through all of the obstructive efforts to prevent the special counsel from getting all the information, that the elements did not rise to the level of charging conspiracy. What the president said was after the president zelensky indicated that he was ready to purchase more military weaponry, the president said but i need you to do me a favor though. Thats not disputed in any way. And we know that the president made reference on multiple occasions. As a former police detective, chris, ive seen when the evidence was so painfully obvious, ive seen the subject of an investigation turn and attack the investigators. We not only see that from this president in this particular case, this is a, something that we have certainly seen before from him. We need to keep our eye on the ball. Chris congresswoman demings, thank you for speaking with us today. Please come back. Thank you so much. I will. Thank you. Chris up next, well get reaction from a republican on the intelligence committee. He says the house should take action against the committee chair, adam schiff. Chris House Republicans are Standing Firm in their support for President Trump, and damaging revelations this week have so far done nothing to shake that support. Joining us now from Salt Lake City the, congress juan chris stew congressman Chris Stewart. Welcome back to fox news sunday. Good morning. Keys chris i want to ask you about this new report that there is now a second whistleblower in this case who has spoken to the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community, says he has firsthand knowledge that corroborates some of the allegations made by the first whistleblower. Does that concern you . Well, actually, not at all. First, weve known a little bit that this individual was going to come forward, and one of our concerns has always been there hasnt been firsthand knowledge of this. The first whistleblower, basically everything he accused was second and thirdhand knowledge. It does not matter. This person is going to say, yep, the president had this phone call and, yep, thats the transcript. Why should i care at all whats his perspective or opinion, judgment of this transcript . You and i can read it. We can make our own chris but, sir, conceivably and the allegation by the first whistleblower and a lot of it has already been corroborated, is it wasnt just this phone call, that there was a whole campaign before the phone call and then even more intensely after the phone call involving the president s private lawyer, rudy giuliani, to link support for the ukrainian regime, even military aid, to an investigation of joe biden. So yes. Chris its more than just the phone call. But, chris, thats just not true. I mean, all these accusations he makes about linkage after he just pulled from the New York Times and Washington Post. Theres no classified or secret information in that. It all comes down to this one thing, it comes down to one sentence in one phone call. And when you read that in its entirety, its very clear he doesnt link it to military aid, its never even mentioned. He doesnt offer a quid pro quo, he never even mentions the upcoming election. He talks about one thing, we want to investigate corrupt, and i think thats a reasonable thing for him to ask. And these other assumptions are thing that some people, in their judgment, are concerning. But its simply not chris okay. Lets unpack what just said here because President Trump made it very career this week, he says his call for ukraine and now china to investigate allegations against Vice President biden and his son hunter have nothing to do with the 2020 election as you contended. Take a look. Im only interested in corruption. I dont care about politics. I dont care about bidens politics. I never thought biden was going to win, to be honest. Chris congressman, can you tell me of any other instance during the time President Trump has been in office where he asked a foreign leader to investigate a specific american on the issue of corruption . You bet. Attorney general barr is doing it right now chris no, no, no, i asked forgive me. I said President Trump. Can you tell me of another instance where President Trump on a conversation, a call has public wily or privately asked for a foreign leader to investigate a specific american . Yeah, absolutely. Now look, he may have done it personally, but it doesnt matter, chris. Theres no difference between the president making the call or the president saying to attorney general barr or oh of his subordinates, you make the call and investigate this chris but the answer, i mean, i dont mean to interrupt, but you cant tell me a case where we have a record of the president specifically asking a foreign leader to investigate a specific american. Im saying hes willingly and act a knowledged that hes doing that through his attorney general. Chris and other than joe biden, can you tell me of another i mean, there are millions of americans who do business overseas, all kinds of activities. Do you think its just a coincidence that the one person that he has asked a foreign leader to investigate, specifically by name, investigate this person, just happens to be his chief rival for the 2020 campaign . But, chris, youre missing the whole reason for why. He did that because he has knowledge of possible corruption. I mean, Vice President biden and his son, he was dragging his son to the two countries that the Vice President had primary respondent for, ukraine and china. And hes taking his son to those two countries with him, and while hes doing official business his son is signing in some cases 1. 5 billion deals. And i think that a lot of people, americans when they hear that, they think, you know what . That doesnt sound right to me. Maybe its worth asking a few questions about that. Thats all the president is doing here. Chris and you think its just a coincidence that, i mean, there are a lot of businessmen doing a lot of business a lot bigger than a billion dollars and the only person he asked for incidentally, there has never been a specific allegation of any crime committed. I mean, does it look bad . Of course it does. But theres never been an allegation of a specific crime that joe biden or hunter biden committed. And neither in china, nor in ukraine. You dont think you think its just a quips dense that hes talking about joe biden . You keep using that word coincidence. Its not a coincidence at all, its just that those are the facts presented to him, and hes responding to those facts. If someone else brought other accusations against other americans and they had reason to investigate that, im sure the president would as well. But these were the facts and the individuals that were associated with those facts. Chris all right. I want to pick up on what you said at the very top which is there is no quid pro, no linkage between President Trumps asking the ukrainian president certificate eleven key to investigate joe biden and u. S. Support including 400 million in military aid to ukraine. There are a number of documents that your committee has received this week, and bear with me, or im going to go through just three of them and read them. July 25th, this is the morning before the phone call between zelensky and trump. U. S. Envoy volcker to a ukrainian aide heard from the white house. Assuming president z convinces trump he will investigate, get to the bottom of what happened in 2016, we will nail down day for visit to washington. August 10th, ukrainian aide to volcker once we have a date for zelensky to visit trump, well call a press briefing announcing upcoming visit and outlining vision for the reboot of u. S. ukraine relationship including other things barisma the company where hunter biden was on the board and election meddling and investigation. Finally september 1st, the top u. S. Diplomat in ukraine, bill taylor, to ambassador are we now saying that Security Assistance and white house meeting are now condition on investigation . Sunland call me. He later says there was no quid pro quo, but ive got to tell you, you read these emails before and after and i just took three it seems ukrainian officials and top american officials sure saw a quid pro quo. Yeah. Chris, its just not true. This is a great example of the dishonesty of how this investigations being run, and i wish we could elaborate that on chairman sniff and the dishonesty hes displayed. This is another example of it. They take little snippets of emails and texts, they leak those without releasing the transcripts. If you release the transcript of this entire hearing, its very clear that mr. Volcker and others have said there was no quid pro quo, there was no linkage between it. When you read the transcript of what the president says, hes very clear. The reason hes withholding aid is because he wants to pressure the europeans particularly ms. Merkel in germany that they have been dragging their feet for months on this. And by the way, we heard as early as late spring that they were probably going to withhold this aid. Weve been hearing they were going to do that to pressure the europeans. This is just an example of, hey, lets go sneak some stuff out there and let the run with it for a while the press run with it for a while. Eventually the transcript will show its not true, but by then well already have done damage. Its malicious to leak like this and not do it fairly. Chris all right. One final question for you. You are a member of the utah congressional delegation, and over the weekend President Trump has really gone after utah senator mitt romney. I want to put up some tweets. He has called him a, quote, pompous ass, a, quote, fool and added the hashtag, quote, impeach mitt romney. Of course, senators cant be impeached. But, congressman, do you have any problem with the president going after your senator that way . Chris, im shocked youd ask me this question. [laughter] look, i know that the media loves for republicans to criticize chris im not criticizing, im not criticizing, its the president who called mitt romney a pompous ass. I know youre not, but youre hoping i will chris im just asking well, okay, im just asking what you think. Im just going to say, you know what . Mitt romneys a big boy, President Trumps a big boy, they can settle their differences. Im not going to weigh in on that. I mean, theyve had disagreements in the past, and i understand that. Ive got to come back to one thing real quick, chris, and thats ms. Demings. I have a lot of respect for her, but she said theres been a lot of pain over the last ten days. Oh, my gosh, these guys are bidty over this. Theyre not paining over this, and its not been ten days, its been three years. Three years theyve been trying to impeach this president , three years theyve been looking for reasons to remove him from office. Theyre not pained by this, theyre excited about this, but its alternative devisive for the american people. Chris thank you for that statement. Always good to talk with you, sir. Up next, our sunday group to discuss where the investigation stands now after a hectic week of witnesses, documents and president ial pushback. Plus, what would you can ask about what there needs to be to launch an impeach 789 inquiry. Go to twitter or facebook fox news sunday, and we may use your question on the air. Its hard or to imagine a set of circumstances that would have alarmed the founders more than whats on that call. Not a thing wrong. Unless you heard the adam schiff version, what he made up, my conversation. He actually made it up. It should be criminal. It should be treasonous. Chris well, the bruising war of words this week between President Trump and House Intel Committee chair adam schiff as schiff takes the lead in the impeachment probe. And its time now for our sunday group. Gop strategist karl rove, fox news political analyst juan williams, julie pace, Washington Bureau chief for the associated press, and senator Mitch Mcconnells former chief of staff, josh holmes. Karl, at this point and i understand were just probably at the beginning of this process whos winning the argument, the democrats making the case for impeachment, the president making the case that basically democrats are just out to get him, and adding to your answer the fact that there now is a second whistleblower. Yep. Well, first of all, id say if you look at the polls, the numbers for impeachment have grown, so youd suggest the democrats are winning the argument. But i i think theyre both losing the argument. The president should not have said what he said on that call with ukraine, he should not have said what he said to china, but on the other hand, the democrats are far from making the case that this is worthy of removing the president from office. And theyre going about it in the wrong way. Theyre rushing to judgment. They want to get this thing done by thanksgiving. Its going to take them probably until christmas, and they want to do it in a highly partisan way. A wonderful argue this week by robert door, whose father, a republican, was chosen by the Judiciary Committee chairman as counsel for the inpeachment committee. The house voted to formally move forward. There was a unified staff, the president was allowed to have his counsel present at all hearings and depositions, receive all documents, to state the president s in position in e testimony. All the evidence was received behind closed doors, and ridino operated in a strictly nonpartisan way. None of that is being done here this timings it is being done just the opposite by adam schiff, and the country is not going to be well served by this process. Chris we asked you, just picking up on this, we asked you questions for the panel, and on the issue of Nancy Pelosis decision not to hold a formal vote to launch this probe, we got this on twitter from nurse glenda. I am a democrat, and i am for an impeachment inquiry. I dont understand why the democrats dont want to vote. I believe americans want to see the vote. Josh, following up, the white house is apparently going to refuse to release documents to comply with the subpoena based on the argument that it is challenging the house to hold a formal impeachment vote. Do you think they can turn this into a debate over process . Well, sure i think they can, because democrats have largely made it a debate over process. Look, that nurse has an absolutely excellent point. What nan i pelosis been trying to do for the better pat of two years part of two years to try to deflect and distract the base of her party and conference away from impeachment because she knows the politics are no good. Now, they had to get there one way or another. I would argue it was inevitable, they were going to find a reason to justify this one way with one way or the other, but she does not want to put those freshmen in purple and red districts on the record on the front end of an impeachment inquiry to try to impeach this president. It is horrible politics for her, for the conference, and i think she could lose the majority if she went down that road. Chris so do you think this is an argument over process or over what the president did or didnt do . Well, i think the president would like it to be an argument over process because we know what he did. Everybody can read the letter for themselves and also the texts that went back and forth between diplomats that, again, was quite explicit in saying the president wants president zelensky of the ukraine to agree to this kind of investigation of joe biden in exchange for the military aid and a meeting at the white house. But in terms of the process, i think its very important to say theres nothing in the constitution, nothing in house rules that says you have to have an upfront vote. In fact, i think the president of the United States wants an upfront vote both for the reason that josh e elucidated which is to say im going to put some of these moderate democrats on the spot, but also i think he wants it to slow down the process a little bit. He wants to kristin its interesting chris its interesting because people say, well, she doesnt want to do it because she would put those 31 House Democrats who won in districts that trump won in 2016. More importantly than that, if you have a house vote and it was 99 democrats for it and 99 republicans against it, wouldnt that just put the lie to idea that there is any bipartisanship in this . Wouldnt that, in effect, say its a Party Line Vote . Excuse me. We live in highly polarized times, and people such as the people you interviewed this morning are clearly lined up by tribe or team. But that doesnt take away from the reality, and thats why i say the vote is, basically, an effort9 by the white house to distract from what we know and can read for ourselves in that letter and in the texts that were released this week. Chris okay. The president seemed to concede friday that the house will impeach him and send the issue of his removal to a trial in the senate. Take a look. So if they proceed, and, you know, theyll just get their people theyre all in line because even though many of them dont want to vote, they have no choice. They have to follow their leadership. And then well get it to the senate, and were going to win. Chris julie, is impeachment now inevitable, that the house will vote to impeach the president . And secondly, almost everybody in washington, republicans especially, have been saying what wheres the war room . Where is the president s concerted effort to deal with this issue, and it seems to be whatever is in President Trumps head. Is there, from what youre talking do they have a strategy here . On the first question, i think impeachment is likely inevitable, the fact that nancy pelosi took the step to launch the inquiry means she knows where her caucus is on the latter question, and the fact that the whistleblower complaint at the sent center of this that largely been proven true, i think, bolsters her case this. On the white house strategy, this has caught the white house off guard. It caught a lot of us off guard, but the white house was not prepared to be in this situation right now. And so the strategy the is basically the president s twitter account. He is leading his own defense. Its vastly different than what we saw in the clinton impeachment where clinton himself tried to act as though he was governing, act as though he was doing things on behalf of the american people. Trump all in on impeachment. He is going to be leading his own defense. I think the big question for the white house is about their practical cooperation with congress. If they choose to stonewall on documents, on interviews, that actually guarantee it is his impeach. , and if it focuses on an obstruction of congress is a definite for democrats. Chris josh, you are our Senate Expert as the foreman chief of staff to mitch mcconnell. Lets assume the house votes sometime november, december, whatever to impeach the president , they need 67 votes. There are 47 democrats, that means that you would need 20 republicans to jump ship and go with the democrats to remove the president. Thats assuming that all the democrats vote to remove, which we necessarily know is true. Does it matter what the evidence is, or is it just with impossible that 20 republicans will jump ship and vote to remove this president in. Well, its highly unlikely. Its not irrelevant what the evidence is, but i think what julie laid out is what House Democrats are doing to try to prosecute in that will result in an almost entirely partisan process in the house. If that results in an entirely partisan vote in the house and it comes to the senate, i imagine it will be dealt with similarly. You know, we live in polarizing times, no kidding. I mean, i think right now almost every republican in the entire District Of Columbia looks at adam schiff with zero credibility. There is nothing this guy can put out in front of anyone that any of them believe, and more often than not we find out two or three weeks down the road that it was completely made up anyway. Chris okay. Were running out of time, and youre stealing from the next panel with whatever your answer is here. [laughter] you were Mitch Mcconnells chief of staff. He said, and, you know, hes playing chess, threedimensional chess when were all playing checkers. They asked him if its impeach and it goes to the house will there be a trial, he said under senate rules i have to take it up. Does that mean a trial or does that mean he just puts it up, says are we going to take this up, theres a vote no and theres never any trial . So the rules are vail specific chris short view here. The way that everybody views it is basically mcconnell can make a decision one way or the other. You cant. In an impeachment article, you have to consider it. It comes to the floor, us displaces everything else. The senate will have to deal with it one way or another. Chris you didnt answer the question, can that just be a vote or a trial in. Theyre going to have to have a vote to dismiss it if nothing else. Chris but it could be that. Sure, it could be that or a full trial. I think a lot depends on what the house ultimately leads up to. Chris all right. When we come back, the impeachment inquirys impact on 2020, and brand new fox news poll on where the race for president stands right now. Tyeah i feel free clearer, to bare my skin yeah thats all me. Nothing and me go hand in hand nothing on my skin thats my new plan. Nothing is everything. Keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90 clearer skin at 4 months. Of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. And skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. I see nothing in a different way and its my moment so i just gotta say nothing is everything skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. Before treatment your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. 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We have brand new fox polls that show biden with a continued strength in two key states. In South Carolina biden till has a commanding lead still has a commanding lead with support from 41 of democratic primary voters. Elizabeth warren is a distant second at 12 , and Bernie Sanders at 0. Bidens at 10. Bidens lead up six points since july. And in the key swing state of wisconsin which helped put mr. Trump over the top in 2016, biden leads the president by 9 points. Sanders and warren also beat mr. Trump, but they are within the margin of error, and were back now with the panel. Karl, i think most people would agree whether what biden and his son did in ukraine and china was illegal, it stunk. It just smelled. Its classic swamp. But couldnt you argue, and the president has been hammering him on that, couldnt you argue that at this point with the campaign, and well get into some of the details, that President Trumps continued targeting of joe biden may be the best thing biden has going for him right now . It would be if biden knew how to respond. The president started going after him the weekend of september 16th, and his First Response was Late Afternoon on the west coast, and none of us saw it. And it was how dare you attack my family. Ironically, his best defense would be to say, you know what . In retrospect, i should have said something to hunter about getting off that, make a living someplace else, but he didnt. The more he says how dare you attack my family, the more we talk about the stinky arrangement, and the stinkier it gets. No, its weird. People have exit ramps here. Biden has an exit ramp. If the president went out and said, you know what . I do want john durham to investigate all these questions about ukraine, and i do want the attorney general to be in touch with his opposite members in ukraine, but maybe i shouldnt have said that about ukraine and china. Thats an offramp for him and people say, you know what . Okay, fine. But no even looking for an offramp, theyre looking for a raucous fight. Chris and lets look, because i was talking about bidens campaign. Lets look at the fundraising numbers for the Third Quarter which are pretty dramatic. Bernie sanders, in the Third Quarter of this year, raised 25 million. Elizabeth warren, 24. 6 million. Peat buttigieg, 19 million. And all the way back in fourth place, the supposed frontrunner for the democratic nomination, joe biden at 15. 2 million. Josh, do you think that at some point President Trump may come to regret his efforts to get joe biden out of this race in. No, because hes well [laughter] its a question. I think the fundraising is a very interesting component to this because as the world of politics has adapted, joe bidens of the world have not, right . Everybodys gone to a digital, low dollar, sort of renewable resource to try to keep your campaign funded. He had a huge boom, bang, maxout dollar thing First Quarter and now here he is in forty place. What is he going to do in the Fourth Quarter . Its not going to get better. Hes going to be outspent and outraised 4, 5, 6 to 1 down the stretch because, frankly, his campaign is antiquated. It may get better in the next quarter because of President Trump. My inbox is inundated. Chris let me just say, if theyre sending karl rove their campaign is antiquated. [laughter] then lets look at the potential damage to President Trump in all of this for 2020, and i want to play a clip of mike pence. He wasnt Vice President then, but this was in the Vice President ial debate back in 2016. Take a look. Now yall need to know out there this is basic stuff, foreign donors and certainly foreign governments cannot participate in the american political process. Chris juan . [laughter] mike pence, basic stuff. Foreign governments cant participate in our elections. How badly do you think what weve heard so far and, you know, its not just the whistleblower complaint, because a lot has been corroborated by what the white house turned over and what we found out from two officials from the state department this week. How badly do you think the president has been hurt by the revelations so far . Well, the polls show that it has hurt him and, you know, weve all said that theres i increasing numbers of people who not only now favor impeachment by the way, those numbers include House Democrats increased number of those who have said now they want impeachment but it also is an indication more people say they want conviction in the senate. I think its 44 in the latest usa today poll, which was a surprise to me. But what you get here is, i think that the president s base will be hardened in terms of support by impeachment. They will see this as people picking on the president. The president makes the case he was duly elected, these people are involved in a coup, if not treason. Theyre just trying to undo because theyre loser. But the contrary impact, i think, will be that you will start to see moderates, i think you will start to see especially suburban white women in states like pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, just turned off by the static, the noise, the rekrill mission. Recrimination. I think it hurts the president s reelection bid. Chris julie, whats your sense of how worried they are at the white houses and how worried they are inside the Trump Campaign assuming that this doesnt end up with the removal in the senate and i think we all agree thats the overwhelmingly likely result how much this damages his prospects for 2020. I think trump allies and advisors are still looking at this situation very much like they looked at the mueller investigation, feeling like the tactics that they used, having trump cast this as a hoax, as a witch hunt will be enough to carry him through. His base remains loyal, they will look at this as a partisan process, and trump will be able to sort of message and tweet his way out of this. What you hear privately though, and i know josh has heard this too from republicans, what you hear privately from a lot of republicans in washington is they do think this is different. They do think that if democrats are available and its a big if, if they are able to do this if they are able to carry out a process that looks serious, that focuses not on trump personally, but on his actions in office, on the idea of abusing his office for personal gain, that that message could resonate with exactly the type of people that juan is talking about, women in the suburbs. This is an election that could swing completely on those voters, and they are already the voters who have moved away from trump over the last several months. Chris ive got half a minuting karl, ask and you cant clear your throat in half a minute. How bad for republicans who are standing by their man in. Well, look, House Republicans are going to get an advantage. 31 seats that he won, 43 in republican seats, so theyre going to be helped. Republican senators, on the other hand, in places like arizona, colorado and maine, states that are going to be close or leaning away from trump are going to be problematic. Look, we dont know how this is all going to play out. Thank god from the white house, and they ought to say every morning for adam schiff being in charge of this process. Isnt it amazing . Jerrold nadler has disappeared, and he has been replaced by adam schiff whos about the most partisan guy you could ever imagine chris i was going to say, they put in schiff because they thought nadler was a bad face for the whole thing. Thank you, panel, see you next sunday. Up next, our power player of the week, bringing jfks vision for the arts into the 21st century. Chris its recognized as a living memorial to john f. Kennedy, and its the nations busiest performing arts center. And it has just expanded its mission for the 21st century. Heres our power player of the week. We need a place that is informal, inviting and a place where we can put the artist and the audience really close together and see what happens. And the reach was born. Chris Deborah Rutter is president of the kennedy center, and the reach is the centers sprawling, striking addition to create a new link in the performing arts. The center, opened in 1971, and over time the staff felt it was a bit unwelcoming. As people came to sit and watch. The downside is that somebodys on stage, and you in the audience, and theres no connection. Chris the 250 million reach opened in september and is exactly what its name ill plies. Chris built for these times, to reach out to audiences. You want to know the artist, you want to know the process for which the art was created, you want to know the back story, you want to know where did they buy that beautiful costume. Theres a much deeper connection. Chris it ises a living, interactive complex with 11 performance spaces that honor the 35th president. Chris including the moonshot room. But the remarkable pa rifl ons are in receives of an ambitious mission. People can walk around and see artists and their works at all stages from creation and tinkering to the final product. Chris like oscarwinning composer alan menkin, conducting a master class. You know, were taking you through the town, and were learning belas different, she doesnt want to be in this pro vince, town. Chris the week opened with a two week festival, 5003 events that attractedded 50 events that attracted more than 100,000 people. To see the place filled with families, bike riders or scooters that come off the bridge and go through the gardens, it has been an experience that you dream of in a career, but youre not sure you will ever experience directly, and i have. Chris how happy are you with all of this . Ecstatic. Chris rutter says the reach is built for accidents; a jogger peeking in a window and seeing a dance rehearsal. We were walking through a field of flowers. So this is the kind of accident that youre talking about not in the arts [laughter] but theres a gorgeous butterfly in the middle of it makes you feel like youre in nature while your right here in the middle of the city. Chris and it makes you feel better. Yeah, thats the idea. Chris thats the idea. Most of the performance falls in the reach are underground. Its washingtons largest at almost 70,000 square feet. And thats it for today. Have a great week, and well see you next fox news sunday. Welcome to the journal editorial report. Im paul gigot. A week of rapidly moving developments in the impeachment probe with democrats calling their first witnesses in the inquiry and President Trump once again defending the phone call at the center of the storm, denying that anything improper occurred in his july exchange with ukrainian Vladimir Zelenskiy and decrying the need to release his private conversation with another world leader. This whole thing revolves around a simple conversation, and if you remember at the beginning, it was quid pro quo. Thats all you heard about and i think h