Its a Fox News Sunday exclusive. Then, the president s trade war with china causes a rift among republicans. Well discuss the impact the president s tariffs are having on the economy and u. S. Farmers with gop senator pat toomey. Plus, joe biden now up double digits against Bernie Sanders in the latest fox news poll. Well ask our sunday panel how solid bidens lead really is. And our power player of the week, one of americas greatest historians on his lifes work. I feel unless i see it, really understand it, i cant make the readers see. Chris all right now on Fox News Sunday. And hello again today from the gym at Stevens High School in claremont, New Hampshire, home of the cardinals and tonight the site of our town hall with mayor Pete Buttigieg on Fox News Channel. We came to New Hampshire the site of the first primary in eight months to get a sense for where the democratic race for president stands at this point. The field is 24 candidates deep with mayor pete rising in the polls. In tonights town hall, voters will get a chance to learn more about the mayor and well see how he responds to moves republicans made this week on abortion and immigration. But first, we want to talk about all that with a candidate who has already had her fox town hall, senator amy klobuchar, joining us from the campaign trail across the state in New Hampshire for a sunday sitdown. Senator, welcome back. Thanks, chris, its great to be on. Chris eight states now, eight states have passed tight new restrictions on abortion that prolife groups have been pushing and as i say, dramatically restrict rights of abortion. Alabama would ban abortions at any point, except on matters of the extreme health of the woman. My question is, if the Supreme Court overturns roe v wade, when you become president , what will you do . If the Supreme Court overturns roe v wade, i would make sure that we are codifying roe v wade into law. I think its really important for the fox news viewers to understand exactly whats happening here. These arent nuances anymore. This is a case where the laws that they have passed in these states would actually make it so that no one could get an abortion and at the same time while weve reduced the number of abortions, because of making contraception more available all over the country through planned parenthood and other bays, theyve also moved to defund planned parenthood. This is dangerous. It is a place that we have never seen. I think people have always warned this could happen. Its actually happened. And when i talk to people, whether they are prochoice or they are personally opposed to abortion, a lot of them dont think we should go this direction. 73 of americans dont want to overturn roe v wade. You have a situation here where they would actually put doctors in prison, 99 years, thats what the alabama law says. This is a law that they passed that would mean that if someone was raped, if a College Student was raped, she wouldnt have a choice in that pregnancy from a rape. I dont think the majority of americans are where the republicans are on this issue right now. Chris but senator, prolife advocates are pushing back. Theres a group called restoration pac. Theyre running an ad on facebook that were showing right now, showing what it calls the party of death. Six Democratic Senators running for president including you who have opposed restrictions in the later stages of pregnancy. You talk about the extreme as you call it on one side. Let me make the case and you can answer it on the other side. Because folks say that one of the concerns is that a number of Democratic Senators are not willing to see restrictions on late term abortions, abortions after 24 weeks as we enter the third trimester. Thats only 1 of all abortions in the country but even 1 is 6,000 abortions after 24 weeks when a fetus might well be viable. Are you okay with that . Im okay with the law, chris, and what the law says is that in that third trimester it is allowed to protect the health and life of the mother. But thats not what the president said, chris. The president misled the american public. What he said at a rally was basically a doctor would be holding a baby and kill that baby. Thats illegal under the law. That is already a crime. I know this. Im a former prosecutor. That is a crime. Chris back to you. Are you okay let me ask you. I understand the argument against that. What im asking you is, are you okay with abortions after 24 weeks . To protect the life and the health of the mother. That is exactly what the Supreme Court ruling said. And i am okay with that. But i just think its really important, chris, for your fox viewers to know, because theres so much misinformation out there. That what the laws do is extreme. There are a number of republicans who said they are opposed though them. They are extreme. Then you have the president misleading the public and telling them that this is about basically killing a baby after a baby is born. That is not what this is about. That is a crime. So i think what people have to understand here is that we are at a point where a number it is not just alabama. This happened in ohio, this has happened in missouri, this happened in georgia, theres a law thats being passed in michigan that the democratic governor is going to veto. This is happening across the country. People need to know whats really going on here. This is a violation of civil rights. Chris attorney general barr sat down with bill hemer earlier this week and he said he could understand why President Trump called the russia probe a witch hunt, a hoax, because he said President Trump felt he was falsely accused and the Mueller Report seemed to back him up. He said he intends to drill down on how the fbi and continu the l agencies handled the probe. Here is the attorney general. I thought when i came in from the outside that all the questions that i had and many other people had that would be readily answered, once i got in. I havent found that to be the case. Chris arent there legitimate reasons to investigate the investigators, senator . I dont think there are. And this really bothers me, because we have in front of us two things. One of them is to get to the truth of what happened here and were simply trying to get director mueller in front of us so way can find out. I remind you, this investigation was started under a Republican Attorney general with a former republican appointed u. S. Attorney, rod rosenstein, with a former republican appointed fbi director. Thats where we were. They started the investigation because of legitimate news that there were people from the Trump Campaign talking to others about russia and exchanging information. We know that. The second thing that is most disturbing to me, we having right in front of us. The current fbi director and the current director of intelligence have told us that russia is getting bolder, that what weve seen is a dress rehearsal. Yet, any attempt ive made with the security elections act which is a bill i have with conservative senator langford that would say lets get backup paper ballots, lets get audits in place so we dont allow a foreign power to invade our election again. They didnt do it with tanks or missiles. They did it with a cyber attack. Theyed stopped that in the their tracks. The white house made calls to stop the bill despite strong republican support for the bill. Thats whats right in front of us. Barr is talking about whatever he wants to talk about politically. What he should be doing is protecting the integrity of our elections and our democracy. Chris as you know, New Hampshire, where we both are, although in different parts of the state, is among the five states with the highest rate of opioid related deaths in the country, twice the National Average you. You released a plan to deal with Mental Health and substance abuse. They all sound roughly the same. Prevention, treatment, recovery. I guess i want to ask you, just focus on one thing, one thing that you think makes your plan dramatically different from all the other democratic plans to deal with this problem. This is an issue that no president ial candidate has taken on really in history and i would emphasize here the Mental Health aspect of it. One in five americans have problems with Mental Health. For me, the Mental Health addiction issue comes from my heart. Mid dad struggled with alcoholism his whole life had two dwis and a third before i got married. He was facing either jail or treatment. He chose treatment. In his words, he was pursued by grace. And i think every american has that right to be pursued by grace. And what ive done here is lay out a thorough plan so we have beds for people who have extreme problems with mental illness, so that we have counselors for people to talk to. We had 30 increase in suicides including farmers, including veterans, including students in this country, in 15 years, and chris, the other thing thats unique about my plan is i show how im going to pay for it. I figure if youre running for president , you better be addressing real problems with Real Solutions and show how you pay for it. I would take on the Pharma Companies that got people indicted to begin with. You can start with a fee on the opioids that are sold and there will be a master settlement with the companies that profited off of peoples addictions, that got people hooked. And thats where you get the 100 billion. Chris i want to get to two more subjects, one is immigration. The president proposed a plan that emphasizes merit, skills, education over family ties heres how the president described it. We discriminate against genius. Wees discriminate against brilliance. We wont anymore. Once we get this passed. Chris now, canada and australia have merit based systems. Why shouldnt the u. S. . You can do both. You can have some people coming in that get degrees here on merit. I think you also have to have people that maybe dont have those degrees and im talking here about we need workers right now in our fields, in our factories. We have openings in our nursing homes. We dont have enough labor in some of our states for those kinds of jobs as well. And so what bothers me about the president s plan is the fact that he doesnt deal with the dreamers. He doesnt deal with the millions of people who came here with no fault of their own. He doesnt deal with the 10 Million People that are here now, many of whom would like to see if they follow the law, learn english, they want to be on a path to citizenship. A lot of our republican colleagues, like mike rounds, they joined with democrats to take this on. I feel like the president carved out one niche, instead of dealing with the overall conference ive immigration issue. Thats what i would do as president. Chris senator, i want to talk a little 2020 politics in the time we have left. I want to put up the real clear politics average of the latest polls. In iowa, youre in eighth place with 3 support. And here in New Hampshire youre also in eighth place with 1. 5 support. I understand that its very early. Were still months away from people voting here in New Hampshire. I guess the question i have though is why do you think you have not gained as much traction so far in the campaign as other candidates, for instance, mayor pete is going to be here for the town hall this evening. Oh, chris, i think being in the top 10 in the 25 person race when youre from the middle of the country, in a state thats not as big as some of my colleagues, i think thats pretty good. I wouldnt count me out. Everything ive done in my life, whether taking on 48 hour hospital stays for new moms, i got it done. I was the first woman to run for d. A. In my state in the biggest counties, i got it done. I run for u. S. T senate, running against a congressman and win bigtime. I am someone that takes on challenges, and finds a way to get there. No one thought i could raise money when i was running for senate. I finally just called everyone i knew in my life and i raised an alltime senate record, 17,000 from exboyfriends. And as my husband pointed out, its not an expanding base. I will find a way to win. No one thought a peanut farmer from georgia would win. Jimmy carter pointed out he had less support at this point than i do. No one thought a guy named barack obama could become president. This is you know politics, its a long road. Chris its forever. Listen, it is a snapshot of where we are at this point. Im not counting you out. Thats why youre here for the sunday sitdown. Thank you for taking my. Always good to talk with you. Up next, well bring in our sunday group to discuss the growing 2020 field and a frontrunner who keeps building his lead. Plus, what would you like to ask the panel about alabamas strict new abortion law, just go to facebook or twitter at Fox News Sunday and we may use your question on the air. As Fox News Sunday reports live from Stevens High School in claremont, New Hampshire. Xfinity mobile comes with our internet, so now you can bring in your own phone, switch wireless carriers and save hundreds of dollars a year. Its pretty much the easiest way to save since sliced bread. Because savings is as savings does. And sometimes youve just got to stop and smell the savings. Im sorry, i think you mean roses. Oh right. You need to stop and smell the roses of savings. Bring in your own phone, switch to Xfinity Mobile and only pay for data. Now thats simple, easy, awesome. Get 100 back when you bring in an eligible smartphone. Click, call, or visit a store today. Chris 2020 democratic frontrunner joe biden at the formal kickoff of his campaign for president , yesterday in philadelphia, and its time now for our sunday group. Ben domenech, julie pace, Washington Bureau chief for the associated press, Katie Pavlich of townhall. Com who says this gymnasium reminds her of her days as a High School Basketball star and mo elleithee, from the institute of politics and public ser visms thank you all for coming up here to claremont to keep me company and answer my questions. Joe biden officially opened his campaign today, although it seemed that hes been campaigning for a few weeks. He really has done remarkably well. Lets put up the latest average of national polls, biden up up to 39 , sanders down to 16 , and everyone else in the single digits. Mo, why do you think that biden has had such a good rollout so far and how solid do you think his lead is . I think a couple things. One, i think democrats care about electability. I think joe biden sort of projects and electability argument well. Number two, i think democrats like a lot of people in the country are looking for an authentic champion. And joe biden, when hes out there on the stump, projects authenticity and he can be a champion for folks. I think ultimately the reason hes doing well and others are sliding, probably at this point has more to do with his name i. D. Than anything else. But others are going to have to start moving in the right direction if theyre going to catch up to him. Hes looking really, really strong. Chris ben, how strong do you think obviously hes looking strong right now. But as senator klobuchar pointed out, theres an eternity, we havent had the first debates yet. Any doubts about buy accidents staying power. The only question that emerges is how much his lengthy history of previous decisions and positions will be a problem for him in a field with a lot of new faces to it. Democrats tend to like the new faces, inspirational figures who come along, youre going to have mayor pete tonight to be one of those figures. I think the problem for biden is going to be navigating all of the previous decisions and positions that hes had. I think he also has a lot of builtin advantages, not just name i. D. But i think his advantage among African American voters, particularly in the south, is going to be a real strong point for him and everybody else has to figure out what kind of lane exists to take on biden and the best way to critique him. Chris perhaps the biggest Political Development so far this year and certainly this week has been that now eight states passed very restrictive laws on abortion, alabama leading the way with the most restrictive law which would only alaw an exception not for rape or incest but only to prevent a Serious Health risk to the woman and here was the back and forth among alabama lawmakers. I apologize to the women of alabama for this archaic law we passed. Alabama law its a person. Chris we asked you for questions for the panel and on alabamas new law, we got this on twitter from ray kitchens. Why would they make no exceptions to rape and incest . Katie, how do you answer ray and how do you respond to the whole fact that this has become such a hot issue. Of course, abortion is always a hot issue. To answer the question, if you are intellectually and morally consistent with your belief that life starts at consistent conceu have a hard time justifying an exception for people who were conceived in rape. There are a number of people who are adding to the conversation and saying why are we valued less because of the way that we were conceived. When it comes to the abortion issue, this is something that a number of states have passed. The accusation has been that republican men are trying to control womens bodies when the alabama governor is a woman. Theres a democrat in louisiana, the governor there, who is willing to sign a similar piece of legislation. And this is something that has been going on as a debate topic for 30 years and for a good reason. The Prolife Movement has a choice to make here, take it to the courts and hope it gets to the Supreme Court and hopes that roe v wade gets overturned. Theres a way theyve done this over the past couple of decades in the sense of changing peoples Public Opinion based on the new science and technology that we have, rather than going through the court system. So its a twofold issue. Its always a hot topic. Amy klobuchar couldnt answer your question about how she feels about late term abortion, not just for the health of the mother but elective late term abortion. Thats a question democrats will have to answer on the campaign trail. Chris President Trump has been surprisingly quiet about this all week until yesterday afternoon when he put out this tweet. I am strongly prolife with the three exceptions, ra rape, ince, protecting the life of the mother, the same position taken by ronald reagan. Some of the new laws, especially alabamas, dont make exception for rape and incest. Julie, i hate to reduce this to politics. It is a hot political issue. How does the white house political operation feel about this drive and particularly if women come to feel that roe, the 1973 ruling, that allowed a womans right to an abortion, stated it, might conceivably under threat . I heard two different arguments from republicans this week. One for people who think politically, again, we will have to talk about this in a political space, who think politically it will be good for republicans, it energizes a portion of the Republican Base that has been supportive of trump for one reason, which thy believe he will put judges on the court that will try to overturn roe. The second piece of it, i heard this from a lot of republicans, theyre worried about what this done to their support with women. If you look at the 2018 midterms, republicans lost significantly with women in suburban areas. Its one of the reasons that republicans lost the house and theres a concern that if the party is seen as rallying around these state laws, cheering them on through the court system, that that will have a detrimental impact on trump and other republicans in 2020. Chris i thought that as the issue stood right now, with there was a bright to an abortion, the right to an abortion, it energized the prolife side. If theres a chance they might go up the court system and get to the Supreme Court and people begin to perceive that roe is under threat, does that change . With the exception of john edwards of louisiana, weve had a great cultural sort on this issue. The parties are divided on them. The number of prolife democrats in any office can be counted on one hand. To a certain extent, driving the base on both sides on this issue serves both parties interest. The fact is the president , not just the Court Appointments but rulings on title 10 and other aspects of issues that prolife Americans Care about have been consistently putting him in rewarding them for backing him in 2016. I think this is meant to serve as a reminder of where things are and frankly going back to someone like mayor pete, he came out for repeal of the hyde amendment, saying he wants to take taxpayer funding and spend it on abortions. In that situation, im not sure this actually moves that needle that much. I think that people basically made up their minds. Chris panel, thank you. Up next, manufacturers and farmers are feeling the brunt of the president s trade war with china. Well talk with republican senator pat toomey about the rift its causing inside the gop. As Fox News Sunday reports ahead of tonights town hall with mayor Pete Buttigieg who recently bragged about his appearance on this show, appearing on late night tv. Is it true you hooked up with fox news at the start of your campaign . Because some might say that makes you a naughty boy. Actually, i am proud to say i was the first candidate to appear on Fox News Sunday. Because i dont believe in leaving out an entire portion of the country. Chris the president s ongoing trade war with china is creating a growing divide in the gop. Many of the businesses feeling the effects are in states mr. Trump won in the 2016 and are represented by republican senators. One of those is senator pat toomey, a leading member of the Senate Finance committee, who joins us now from bethlehem, pennsylvania. Senator, our trade war with china escalated in the week. President trump put the Chinese TelecomCompany Huawei on a business blacklist, and china cut its orders for u. S. Pork, and Chinese State media became more nationalistic. Heres what the president had to say about all this. Were having a little squabble with china because weve been treated very unfairly for many, many decades, for actually a long time. And it should have been handled a long time ago, and it wasnt, and well handle it now. Chris senator, how worried are you about the escalating trade war with china . Chris, thanks for having me. Listen, i put china in a distinct the category separate from the rest of the entire world. And i do that because of the facts in the case, right . Chinas the worlds second biggest economy, its a revisionist power. Its now, for the first time, attempting to be the able to project force, its intimidating neighbors, its disrupting american institutions, and its engaged in some egregious economic behavior; the theft of intellectual property in various ways. So i actually think the president is right to challenge china. This agreement, if we reach one, wont solve all of those problems, and the tariffs are absolutely painful and dislocating. But if in the end we end up with an agreement that gives us a meaningful reform of chinas most egregious behavior, we might look back and say this was worth the price that were paying. I look at 232 tariffs can and tariffs on canadians and europeans and mexicans chris but those are National Security tariffs, right . Thats correct. And i put those in a very different category. But i think the president is right to challenge china and to think about this in the broader context such as what Vice President pence laid out in a famous speech where he made the case of how aggressive china has been. Chris now, farmers are among the folks that have been the hardest hit so far by the u. S. Tariffs and the response from the chinese. But the white house says, well, theyre got a plan, and theyre talking about up to 20 billion as a bailout to farmers. Heres the president s message that he sent to farmers this week. Theyll be plant, theyll be able to sell forless less, and theyll make the same amount of money until such time as its all straightened out. Chris but you call this plan, quote your words very bad policy. Why . Yeah. I think its bad policy to, you know, start just sending checks to farmers or any segment of the economy. What i think we ought to be doing is working with allies, working with friendly countries, finding more markets, opening up more markets, taking down trade barriers and creating an opportunity for our farmers to sell their products around the world rather than sending them a check from the taxpayers. Chris generally speaking, its fair to say youre a free trader. You were a former president of the club for growth. What are your thoughts about the president s trade policy and his willingness in an effort to try to and he says that, to try to bring down tariffs, to raise tariffs at least in the short term which sometimes goes on for a while . Yeah. So the way i look at tariffs, they are a tax on the American People. They can only be justified if they are a means to an end. In the case of china, i think we might be pursuing the right end. I think in the case of canada and mexico, for instance, on steel and aluminum, we were not pursuing the right end. I think the changes that the administration has made to nafta actually diminish nafta as a driver of Economic Growth and prosperity. I think it would be a huge mistake to impose taxes on the auto imports, for instance, from europe and asia. I think that would be a huge cost to consumers without a good objective. So, you know, im going to continue to push back on the use of National Security as a justification for imposing taxes on americans when they choose to purchase products from our neighbors and allies and friends. Chris let me turn subjects with you. President trump proposed a dramatic new Immigration Reform plan in the week for Legal Immigration. I want to talk about that. Currently, 12 of green cards are based on skills, and 66 are based on family. The president would flip that to 57 based on skills and and 33 based on family. As the grandson of irish immigrants, how do you feel about this, the president s proposal for this new system . So its mixed. I think this is so im very much open to expanding Legal Immigration. I think people who come to this country wanting to build a better life for themselves is and their families, they contribute to america. They help to build this country just as my relatively uneducated and pennyless grandparents did when they came here. So im open to more Legal Immigration. I think the president s right in his insight that, you know, people who come with a lot of human capital, intellectual capital, education, these people contribute to our country enormously. Its a nobrainer to allow people who come here, the best and brightest from around the world come to our colleges, get a great education, and then we ship them out so they can compete against us rather than welcoming us. So i pulley embrace the idea fully embrace the idea that these kids with greater skills and education and knowledge should be welcomed. But i think people with lower skills can contribute as well, so id be open to expanding that category as well. Chris i want to ask you another question on immigration. The department of Homeland Security says the overcrowding and theres no question there is on the border in texas between mexico and texas has gotten so severe that it has started flying Illegal Immigrants to san diego to hold them there, to process there and conceivably to release them there. They were also going to do that in florida, but there was such a backlash including from the republican governor of florida that they stopped that. But apparently, dhs is considering continuing this. How do you feel about the idea of shipping people in this country ill illegally all over the country . Well, chris, its a symptom of a complete, fullblown crisis that we have at our border. They are swamped. They are overwhelmed. The numbers have been staggering. Weve got a humanitarian crisis and a security crisis. So we need to respond to that. We need better Border Security, we need to we are building and we need to build physical barriers, walls. Also need the ability to adjudicate these huge numbers of people who come here, they ask for asylum, they have very, very little case to be made for granting an asylum. But were encumberedded by having inadequate resources to adjudicate those claim ares, those requests claims, those requests. Thats a big part of it. Weve got to change our laws that are driving people. Americas a magnet chris but let me, if i may, im running out of senator, just to cut to chase here, because were running out of time, how would you feel if dhs shipped several hundred migrants to pennsylvania . Yeah. We actually do house some migrant families, and thats, you know, a temporary arrangement that is made necessary by the crisis on the border. Id like to fix the crisis so that thats not necessary. Chris okay. Lets one last subject i want to talk to you about, and thats iran. Over the last week the president has taken a number of measures, hes ordered a Carrier Strike group to persian gulf. Were sending longrange bombers there. The pentagon at least considered a proposal to send 120,000 u. S. Troops to middle east. Really two questions. One, do you understand whats going on with u. S. Policy in iran, and how do you feel about as you do, if you do understand it what the president s policy is . I think i do, chris. I took the time to go down to secured Briefing Room and read the intelligence reports last week. Im looking forward to the full briefing to all senators on tuesday on the intelligence we have. I cant comment on that, but let me simply say this if you read a report about a potentially imminent threat to american personnel and American Assets originating from the iranian regime, i think you should take that report very seriously. Lets remember who were talking about. This is the regime that systematically designed, manufactured and distributed the ieds that were designed to penetrate and kill american soldiers in iraq in large numbers, and they did. I think the president is right to try to deter the iranians from a foolish and dangerous attack on american personnel and our assets, and i think thats the strategy right now. Demonstrate with a show of powerful force that this would be a really bad idea for the iranians to pursue and, hopefully, deter a really tragic and disastrous decision by the iranians. Chris senator toomey, thank you. Thanks for sharing your weekend with us. Please come back, sir. Thanks for having me. Chris up next, democrats call President Trumps new immigration plan dead on arrival, but is the real purpose as a Campaign Weapon for 2020 . Our Fox News Sunday panel returns live here in New Hampshire. Thats next. Most of us dont know how much data we use. But we all know were paying too much for it. Enter Xfinity Mobile. Americas best lte with the most wifi hotspots. Combined for the first time. When youre near an xfinity hotspot, youre connected to wifi, saving on data. When youre not, you pay for data one gig at a time. Use a little, pay a little. Use a lot, just switch to unlimited. Get 250 back when you buy a new samsung galaxy. Call, visit or click today. Most of us dont know how much data we use. But we all know were paying too much for it. Enter Xfinity Mobile. Americas best lte with the most wifi hotspots. Combined for the first time. When youre near an xfinity hotspot, youre connected to wifi, saving on data. When youre not, you pay for data one gig at a time. Use a little, pay a little. Use a lot, just switch to unlimited. Get 250 back when you buy a new samsung galaxy. Call, visit or click today. Well see what happens with ira. If they do anything, it will be a bad mistake. Iran is totally confused, that might be a good thing. Chris President Trump talking tough about iran on monday, but by the enof the week, blaming the media for the chatter about war. And were back now with the panel. Well, ben, help us sort this out. In the beginning of the week, there were some dramatic moves the president took, sending a Carrier Strike force, longrange bombers, talk about 120,000 troops. By the end of the week, the president put out the word that he had told his acting defense secretary i dont want to get into a war. Whats going on . Yeah. I think that the president is totally fine with rattling the sword here and there when it comes to confrontations with other nations around the world, but he has very much been opposed to any kind of significant involvement in the middle east. He internally has sent that message in a lot of different ways. I think one of the things that was happening this time was, as with so many things that go around the administration, people were having the argument in public m they were sort of pushing the story to various different outlets, and i think the he saw that playing out and wanted to send a message to his supporters many of whom are very much opposed to getting involved in what he calls another stupid war and say, look, im still in charge, and were not going in there. As much as this stuff has played out in the public square, im still in charge, and i dont want this to happen. Chris julie, i want to pick up on precisely that. As our white house watcher here, how much of a split is there within the white house or within the administration, especially, for instance, between the president and his National Security adviser, john bolton, whos very hawkish on iran . And it does seem that for all of the talk that the president and the saber rattling, that he really does not want to get involved in another foreign conflict. He doesnt want to get involved in another conflict. There is a split, certainly, on Foreign Policy broadly, but specifically like iran. John bolton is incredibly hawkish. He sees iran as the central negative force in Global Affairs right now, and he believes that the United States has to play a role in trying to counter iran, and he is more comfortable than others in the administration if about looking at military options on that front. This dates back to his early days in the administration when he was pushing the pentagon to put forward proposals for largescale military action there. But the president looks at this, i think, from a political lens mostly. He campaigned as much as he campaigned on immigration, he also campaigned as being a president who would pull the United States out of foreign entanglements in the middle east and not go back in. When he sees some of his own advisers suggesting that action, he really recoils at it. He made a point by the end of the week to make clear that even if john bolton and mike pompei owe are talking hawkishly, thats not coming from the him. Chris do you think either of them are in trouble . I dont think either of them are in trouble the. Trump is interesting in these situations, because he actually doesnt mind splits within his administration. He doesnt love chris its a certain kind of Good Cop Bad Cop quality to it. Absolutely. What he doesnt like is the idea that his advisers are pushing him beyond where he wants to be. Chris all right. Lets turn to immigration because the president did propose a new meritbased immigration plan which got real pushback from democrats and even some from republicans, especially because it didnt lower pat toomeys a little bit of an exception, a lot of republicans would like to see fewer legal immigrants come into the country as well. Heres the president indicating that he doesnt expect this to become law anytime soon. Take a look. If for some reason, possibly political, we cant get the democrats to approve this meritbased, highsecurity plan, then we will get it approved immediately after the election when we take back the house, keep the senate and, of course, hold the presidency. [applause] chris katie, if this is really more about 2020 than any realistic chance of getting this passed before next year in this congress with a democratic house, why do you think the president felt the need to put it out . Do you think he feels a need to shore up his position on immigration . I think that the white house has been looking for different ways to deal with the current illegal Immigration Crisis on the border, the problem with the asylum laws and also looking at the entire system and saying we havent had Immigration Reform on the legal side since the 1960s. The focus is always on trying to find a solution for people who came to country illegally rather than trying to find a solution for people who want to come to country in a legal fashion to be part of the American Society in terms of becoming citizens and learning the language and advocating for the country in terms of economics. But when it comes to politics of this, its on President Trumps side because you have people asking why isnt daca in this deal. They can then say weve offered daca in a number of deals with democrats, theyve said no to that, and the fact is that Legal Immigration in this country needs to be reformed regardless of whether we pass dak a daca right now. We want to make it easier for people to come to country, theyre still focused on getting immediate family members into the country. Chris there was no outreach to democrats at a all about this bill, and they have already declared it dead on arrival in this congress. But is it good politics for the president to be able to say its not just that im against ilLegal Immigration, here are some things that im for . I think its necessary politics for him to change the conversation as its being had around immigration. You know, we did a poll at our institute not long ago that showed while the American People support his approach to the economy, when it comes to immigration, they actually support Congressional Democrats over his approach. This is supposed to be his signature issue, and it isnt playing out electorally, politically for him the way hed like beyond his base. And so i think what youre seeing here is the president and his team trying to change the conversation a bit. Hes never going to walk away from the wall, hes never going to walk away from his signature, you know, approach to Border Security because thats his bread and butter with his base. I the but i think his team recognizes politically thats half of this plan. Border security is half of the plan that theyre introduced. And im not saying hes walking away from it, but i think he and his team have recognized he has to Start Talking about chris when you look at polls, i understand the wall and cracking down on ilLegal Immigration plays dynamite with his base, but when you looked at polls, the American People are much more open, for instance, to a pathway to citizenship somewhere down the line. Right. And exactly. People, thats sort of the hardline approach, you know, that he has been taking is not where people are beyond his base. So i think hes trying to look for a way to open up the conversation. This may not be it, right . As were seeing, hes running into resistance even amongst people of his own party on the hill. But i think hes recognized what hes been doing is not going to work politically this is all about 2020, laying down a marker so he can say i have put forward an immigration plan and use it against whichever democrat emergings from this gigantic field. One of the great frustrations chris you know what . Save that thought. [laughter] thank you. Chris up next, our power player of the week. A biographer who has captured the essence of power, how to get it and use it in his awardwinning books on lbj. clients voice remember that degree you got in taxation . danny of course you dont because you didnt your job isnt doing hard work. Its making them do hard work. And getting paid for it. vo snap and sort your expenses to save over 4,600 at tax time. Quickbooks. Backing you. Chris hes one of americas greatest biographers, the winner of two pulitzer prizes. But hes taken a break from if his lifes work to write about how he does that work, and loyal followers are freaking out. Heres our power player of the week. Chris you must know that this is giving a lot of people heart burn. [laughter] yes, i do. You want to know the truth, its heart warming that so many people are worried that i wont finish. Chris robert caro has spent more than half his life telling thety of Lyndon Johnson, four books, some 3400 pages. But hes only up to 1964, not yet to vietnam. Which is why, when he took a detour to write working, it caused well, heart burn. I want people to have some idea of what it is the i do, how it is to research this type of book. Chris caro fans may not be happy he took time from finishing the story of lbj, but it is fascinating to learn how he goes about his master work. Caro says he learned about research from the his editor at newsday back in the 60s. This guy looks up at me, and he says, just remember, turn every page. Never assume anything. Turn every page. Chris its advice hes followed researching Lyndon Johnson. You walk into the lbj president ial library, and when you look up at the documents section, what do you see . You see at that time 32 million documents. They had 40,000 boxes, each of these boxes holds about 800 pages. Thats the only time the i felt like turning around and going home. Chris caro says he has one big rule when interviewing. Your notebooks are filled with a notation [laughter] yeah. Chris what does that mean . Shut up. [laughter] people have a desire, a need to fill in silences. If you could just make yourself shut up, often theyll tell you what you want to know. Chris then theres writing. Caro remembers what a professor at princeton told him. Youre never going to achieve what you want to achieve, mr. Caro, unless you stop thinking with your fingers. I knew exactly what he meant. It was so easy for me to write. I didnt think things through. Chris which brings us back to his final book on lbj which is about a third written. Caro took us into his office. This is the outline to have the rest of my last volume. From here to there to end of the book over there. Chris he writes several drafts in longhand, again, to slow himself down. After ive done a number of drafts, i go to typewriter, and i do a lot of drafts on the typewriter. Then it goes into this box, and the box goes to my typist. Chris when i talked with caro after his last lbj book, he said it would take three or four years to finish the final volume. That was seven years ago, and hes now 83. Are you really going to vietnam . Yes. Chris why . I feel unless i see it and really understand it, i cant make the reader see it. Chris if you should be unable for whatever reason to finish the book, have you made provisions for somebody else . No. Ive made provisions that nobody else can finish my book. Nobody is going to publish anything with my name on it that i didnt write, not a word. Chris but caro is determined to finish the story of Lyndon Johnson down to last word. On a smith corona 210. How many typewriters do you have . I have at this moment 11. Chris and will that get you through the end im worried. [laughter] [background sounds] chris caro has tried to take care of everything. He uses oldfashioned carbon paper to make copies of what he types. A few years ago he bought what he says is a lifetime supply, just in case they stop making it. Now this program note. Join me back here at Stephens High School in claremont, New Hampshire, tonight at 7 p. M. Eastern on Fox News Channel for a live town hall with mayor Pete Buttigieg. Thats it for now. Have a great week, and well see you next Fox News Sunday. Utututututututututututututututw hampshire. See you next week. Im chris wallace, can a millennial mayor from the midwest make the case to be the democratic nominee to take on President Trump . My name is Pete Buttigieg. People get tripped up on that, they just call me mayor pete. Pete. 37 years old, rising in the poll and on President Trumps radar. Buttigieg believes he has what it takes. I have more years of experience in government than the president and more years of the executive than the Vice President. It is time to fill in the