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We will talk to jim jordan who doesnt think speaker ryans proposal has the votes to pass and we will ask our sunday panel about wikileaks exposure of cia spy secrets. The cia was so to produce the material. All right now on Fox News Sunday. And hello again from fox news in washington. Just over a half way through his first 100 days President Trump faces a showdown over a key legislative initiative. The House Republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare is encountering stiff opposition from the right wing to have party. In a few minutes, we will talk with one of those opponents, jim jordan of ohio, founding members of the Freedom Caucus and first the director of the National Economic counsel and one of the president s top advisers gary in first interview. Gary, the nonpartisan Congressional Office will report this week perhaps as early as tomorrow on its assessment of the repeal and replace plan and there are other groups that aresting that the cbo will say that between 6 and 15 Million People will lose coverage under the Obamacare Repeal and replace plan. Will the president support a bill that throws a half millions of americans off insurance . Well, chris, you to remember where we are. We came into office with an Insurance Plan that doesnt work. Obamacare just is not working n. The last year alone premiums are up 25 in a third of the counties in this country we have only one insurance provider therefore american citizens dont have a choice. We have no choice but to make the plan better for all americans out there. We will get a score next week, cbo will do what they need to do, we will see what the score is and in the past the score has been meaningless. They said more people that would be ensure that are actually ensured. But to repeat my question, will the president support a plan if the cbo says that millions of people will lose their Health Insurance coverage, will the president continue to support that plan . But, chris its not just about coverage, its about access to care, its access to be able to see your doctor, the number who is covered and who is not covered that is interesting and i know that may make head lines, what we care is peoples ability to get health care. Thats what we care about and thats what we are driving for. But gary, coverage is really important if you lose it and this is not what the president promised during the campaign. Take a look. Everybody has to be covered. This is an unrepublican for me to say because a lot of things they say, no, no, the lower 25 , they cant afford private. Universal health care . Im going to take care of anybody, i dont care if it costs me votes or not. President trump said everybody has to be covered. Chris, we are offering coverage to everyone. If youre on medicaid today, youre going to stay on medicaid, in youre covered under employee sponsored plan you will continue to be covered in employee sponsored plan. If you fall in the middle, buy a plan that you want and not a plan that washington telling you that you should buy. I guess the question is this, 20 Million People gained coverage, have Health Insurance coverage now who didnt have it before obamacare are some of them going to lose coverage because one, youre going to end over a period of years the Medicaid Expansion and two, the tax credits are not going to provide as much help as the subsidies to help people who cant afford coverage . Chris, we dont think so. If youre on medicaid, you are going to stay on medicaid. But not expanded medicaid . If youre on medicaid, youre going to stay, the expansion is not going to change. Theres a roleoff period. A period of transition and we are confident that the transition period is going to work. Youre going to the exchange today and we are going to give you tax credit, its going to allow you to buy insurance with tax credits and if youre more than half of the americans today, 175 million plus americans are getting their Health Insurance through employeesponsored coverage plans. We believe that if you want to have coverage and we think that everyone should have coverage, we are providing access to coverage. The most conservative House Republicans are demanding a couple of changes to the plan that you guys are now supporting and i want to ask you about those, first, index pangs of medicaid next year, not in 2020 and, two, end insurance mandates that require plans covered some benefits, a wide range of benefits including maternity care. Will the president negotiate with the hard line conservatives on those or will he standby the socalled ryan bill, the repeal and replace bill thats now before congress as sean spicer said he would on friday . Chris, i think the president has been very open and transparent on the issue that hes been willing to accept improvement for the bill. We have gone out of our way and the president has said this to say that anything that makes the bill better for americans, we are willing to accept. We met with many groups over the last week, week and a half, weve talked as we possibly could and anyone that came up with the improvement, we are more than happy to accept. In fact, the president wants to implement improvements and concerned that we have as many products out there for consumers. He wants to have the ability for Insurance Companies to sell across state lines, in fact, hes insisting that they cross state lines. Do you think ending expansion of medicaid next year rat than slowout in 2020, do you think that improves the bill . We are trying to give the governors to control what is going on in the state. Many of the governs are done a very good with healthcare in their states and we are trying to work with the governors to give them more control of what theyre doing in their states. How important is this bill to the president . How hard will he fight for it . Is he willing to go out to districts and call out republicans by name who oppose it and does he view this, his first legislative initiative as make or break for his young presidency . The president , the Vice President , all of the white house are fully commit today this bill and we are going to do whatever it takes to get it passed. Yes, hes going to travel and go to different congressional regions and personally involved in getting this passed. Youve got some good jobs numbers on friday, unemployment down 4. 8 to 4. 7 but during the campaign, candidate trump dismissed reports like that. Dont believe those phoney numbers when you hear 4. 9 and 5 unemployment. The numbers probably 28, 25, 29, as high as 35 and high as 42 . Didnt you inherit for the economy somewhere between 4. 6 and 5 unemployment . Chris, look the economy continues to grow and we are doing our part, we are doing more than our part to get our economy to grow. Im sure you noticed all of the ceos that have been in the white house and announcement it is ceos have made. Including last week when exxon was in and talked about a multiapproximately tens of billions of dollars investment in the gulf of mexico where they are going to create 45,000 new jobs, we had many other announce ment and all said that we have created the jobs because you, mr. President , and the policy. The jobs have not hit the market yet. These are jobs coming over the remainder of next year, we are excited abthe job outlook in this country. Let me ask you about something perhaps youre not excited about, the Federal Reserve is almost certain to raise Interest Rates when they meet this week. Are you worried excuse me, if theres a series of rate hikes of early this year and early next year that could hibder Economic Growth . Look, chris, the Federal Reserve is an independent agency and they operate as such. They have their Economic Data which they look at. They are trying to modulate growth with inflation and i think the Federal Reserve has been doing a good job in doing that. Will fed will do what they need to do and we respect the powers of the fed, its our job at the white house and the president s job and pushing us every day to grow the economy, create jobs and encourage manufacturing jobs in all jobs here in the United States and to remove any and all barriers to job creation. Lets turn to another subject and thats the budget that the administration will release this week. Here are some key outlines we know about the budget. 54billion in defense spending by offset in equal cuts in domestic spending and here are some reductions that the white house can considering, environmental agency, tsa, airport security, 37 cut for the state department and foreign aid, question, gary, is that the trump vision for the country . Chris, ran ran on protecting america, building our military and creating military superiority. Over the last weeks President Trump has had all of the generals of the army, the navy, the air force, the marines and they have talk today him about our preparedness andradeyness and its disappointing to hear where the generals say we are. We have underinvested in our military over the last eight years. Our military budget has been subject to sequester, we have been unable to invest in our military, unfortunately we have no alternative but to reinvest in our military and make ourselves a military power once again. If youre doing that in an area where you to balance the budget and you cannot create a further deficit, you have to make cuts. Its no different than every other family in america that has to make the tough decision when they need to spend money some where, they have to cut it from somewhere else. These are tough decisions and hes willing and ready and able to make tough decisions. Finally, i want to talk about you, you were one of six former executives at Goldman Sachs what was part of this administration, Goldman Sachs one of wall streets biggest firms. The president promised to drain the swamp but arent the six of you part of whats been called the wall street washington revolving door . Look, chris, i came to washington to make America Great again, thats what i do every day, i roll my sleeves, i work with the president , i work with the amazing staff that the president has put together in the white house and thats exactly what we are trying to do. What do you think of bajara . I dont really have an opinion. Wait a minute. You were the president of Goldman Sachs, you were one of the leaders of wall street, this guy was going after wall street and public corruption for seven years, you dont have an opinion . No, i dont. I was involved in wall street in running a bank. Im involved in washington right now, you know, in big corporations you have Division Labor of certain people that take care of certain obligations and certain parts of your business an i was not involved in that part of our business. So, you know, you cant do everything. [laughter] no, i understand that. As a tough prosecutor, though, who was involved in going after public crumbs cases and going after wall street crime, wasnt he draining the swamp . Chris, as i said, i didnt have an opinion, it was not an area where i spent a lot of time. We will leave it right there. Thanks for talking about the areas you are working on. Please come back, sir. Thanks for having me. 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Understand the speakers plan doesnt repeal obamacare, even charles said that, call it obama healthcare light and doesnt bring down premiums and unit republicans, why not do what we voted months ago, clean reveal and replace obamacare with something thats going to bring down cost. I dont have to tell you the problem is that you can repeal obamacare under this plan with 51 votes because its part of budget reconciliation, now if youre going to replace it, youre going to be doing that needing 60 votes, eight democrats and youre not going to get them. Well, the speakers plan is the same thing. It talks about things we have to do in phase three that youll need votes for. If we want to put more in reconciliation bill, get after regulation that is are driving out the costs for workingclass families, lets do that. We the challenge the senate and take that to the senate and maybe have a ruling with the parliamentarian there but we can do this as well. The key is lets do what we told the voters we were going to do, lets repeal obamacare, not create different form of obamacare. I was going to ask you, one of the other things that youre talking about doing basically blowing up the senate rules to do what . To actually repeal obamacare and right now everyone knows the insurance regulations, all the mandated coverage in there that drive up the costs, those have to be dealt with if we are ultimately going to bring down the costs for workingclass families and if we put that many the bill, may have parliamentary ruling on it but i think we can win that as well and use that strategy to actually repeal and replace it with something thats going to be helpful. Congressman, here is the problem, if you blow up senate rules and you basically say you can pass almost anything under reconciliation, then youre ending a filibuster, a majority can do anything they want. Back in 2009 there was a simple majority but not a filibuster majority of democrats who wanted universal health care and they continue do it because under they couldnt get the 60 votes to do that so thats one problem with it. I mean, if you blow up rules, yes itll work for you now but when the democrats come back in and they will eventually, they can do anything they want with 51 votes. I talked to senators, they dont want congressman telling them how to run chamber. Thats fine, chris. What we told the American People, we told them we were going to repeal obamacare and replace it with something thats going to bring down cost of insurance. We didnt tell the American People we were going to repeal obamacare but keep some of the taxes in there. We didnt tell the American People we were going to repeal obamacare and extend it. We didnt tell them we were going to repeal obamacare and get rid of mandate and bring back the 30 penalty thats in the bill. We didnt tell them about the insurance subsidy in the bill either. Lets do what we said. Right now the thing that should unit us is what we all voted on before. Every republican 15 months ago voted for the clean repeal, why is it okay to say at Campaign Time we are going to do this and once you get in office, wait a minute, we have to change what we told the voters we were going to do. I dont think thats why they sent us here. Lets pass that and lets do the other things we have to do to fix it. Look, this is clearly going to be a negotiation between you and house and Senate Republicans and the white house and part of the problem is the different house members, different conservatives frankly in your caucus have different wish lists and the question i have is has the house Freedom Caucus come down with a final wish list, what you can live with and what you cant live with. I think you first have to start here, chris. Theres a reason why every single Major Conservative Group is opposed to the speakers plan. Theres so many reasons why healthcare experts are opposed to the plan, theres a reason why conservative senators are opposed to the plan and theres a reason why conservatives in the youre not answering my question. It doesnt solve the problem. Have you got a final wish list of the things we drop dead, we cannot accept in the plan . We are working on that. The president has been very clear that we want negotiation, they are open to change the previous guest talked about changes, we are open, we are looking at those issues that we think can make this bill consistent with what we told the mesh people we were going to do. Well, lets talk about a couple of the sticking points for you and other conservatives in the socalled paul ryan bill. One of them is the refundable tax credits which you call a new entitlement, substitute for subsidies but other conservatives and tom price, the secretary of health and Human Services say, look, people who get their Health Insurance on the job get a tax break because that benefit is not taxed. This is just treating people who buy Health Insurance on the individual market the same way. Its a level playing field. Fair enough, chris. We have been fine with tax credits. Our concern is you want to give tax credits to people who actually have a tax liability. You dont, its nothing more than a subsidy. What we really are focused on is we want to bring back affordable insurance. Not just have some subsidy for the government to buy something that they approve, not to put more people on medicaid but to actually have workingclass families be able to shop for a plan, affordable plan that meets the families needs. Thats a much better option than signing somebody on a governmenttype program. Before we get into that, let me ask you about another aspect of the repeal and replace plan which is Medicaid Expansion. Now, the white house and paul ryan are talking about phasing that out, expansion that has allowed 11 Million People to get insurance before obamacare, fazing that out by 2020, you want to end it right away, isnt that going to create chaos and throw millions of people off Health Insurance . Chris, the plan we passed that every republican supported last Congress Said theres a twoyear Effective Date. You would repeal obamacare but theres still two year transition time. Everybody knows you need transition time to bring back a marketplace. Again, this is i dont view success as keeping americans on medicaid, i view suck sed suck says of bringing down the cost of insurance. Thats what we are doing. Remember what we told the voters. We said we were going to repail it. Lets do that. Lets be consistent with what we told the American People we were going to accomplish when they sent us here to washington. Here is what House Republican speaker says event if it doesnt meet all demands its a lot better than continuing with obamacare and he points out these measures in the plan of what itll do, it would end the individual and employermandates, it would expand Health Savings accounts, make it possible for people to put more money into the hsas and create entitlement for block grant to states. If you block this plan, are you willing to blow up repeal and replace, something that as you point out, republicans have been promises for seven years, are you are you prepared to to deliver what could be a death blow, certainly a very serious blow to the beginning, the early days of the trump presidency. I mean, are you willing, bottom line, to vote no on the ryan plan and to block Obamacare Repeal and replace this year . Chris is not as the speaker said a binary choice. I represent three quarters of a Million People as do all other members. We would like a chance to amend it, change it and make it consistent with the message we told the voters we were going to accomplish. It seems to me briefly because we are running out of time. What and the moderate members, moderate republicans particularly in the senate who are saying this goes too far that theyre scaredded of what this is and, you know, they you have ryan and those folks trying to thread a needle here to satisfy the right wing but also to satisfy the senators. Chris, they all just voted a few months ago the clean repeal that we introduced this week. Its okay to say i voted for it Campaign Time, now when it counts, you cant do it. Seems to me that the bienary choice if there is one here, look, either work with all of the folks in the conservative movement, all the republicans around the country that say this plan is not what we need to do, either work with us or you dont end up getting the votes. Thats the real choice. I hope they will work with us. I hope the speaker and leadership has the same attitude the white house does is lets Work Together and find a plan that works for the American People and that is consistent with what we told them we were going to do when they gave us the privilege to serve. Bo to line, if this the plan that you have to vote on, where would you vote . I dont plan to vote if for plan as introduced by the speaker and what went through the committee this week. It went through the committee, not one single amendment was allowed to be offered. Thats not how the process is supposed to work. Im not for this plan and theres a lot of opposition in house and senate. Congressman jordan, thank you, its always good to talk with you, sir. Thank you, chris. Coming up we are bringing our sunday group to assess the prospects for passing the repeal and replace bill and whether even if it passes barack obama is the big winner here. 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Jason riley from the wall street journal and fox news political analyst juan williams. Julie who cover it is white house for the Associated Press and michael head of the conservative think tank, Heritage Action for america. Michael, you said that theres no significant different between obamacare and the repeal and replace plan. You were one of the leaders of outside groups who met with President Trump in the white house this week, did you tell him that . We had a great meeting. I thought that the president was open to feedback, i think that as gary cohn said earlier it was productive and we moved the ball forward. The spirit that the president was bringing had not been spirit, capitol hill, congressional leadership with binary choice, either take it or leave it approach. The fundamental problems that this bill keeps architecture of obamacare in place. Many of those regulations stay in place. Because regulations drive costs people in driving buying Health Insurance, this bill gets rid of individual mandate and replaces individuals on insurers to try to have continuous coverage. Because you have driven up the cost of healthcare insurance and youre requiring people to buy overexpensive plans. This bill keeps the architecture of obamacare in place and thats why it needs to be improved and it needs to be improved a lot if we are going to make it great. Juan, i want to pick up from that. Some liberals and we heard nancy pelosi complaining and others and maintain architecture of obamacare in the sense that itll be government regulation in the Insurance Industry and the fact that even after it is scaled back that medicaid will theyll be more people under medicaid than were before obamacare so they say, in effect, that obama has won. Well, i think obama former President Trump has won in the terms that you now have republicans and democrats, liberals and conservatives saying the government has an Important Role to play here. I would object to this way of thinking about the question, chris, in this regard. When you say obamacare like, it suggests this is just a little different than obamacare, no big deal. I think it is a big deal from the lefts perspective because you have fewer people insured. The purpose is to decrease the number of people, this would decrease the number of people who have Health Insurance, it would drive up the costs of Health Insurance specially and i find this ironic for older lowincome voters, many of whom specially white lowerincome voters were trump supporters. Those people are going to be hurt by this plan. You have the ama, the american medical association, the nurses, the hospitals, all of them saying, this doesnt work. This doesnt improve health care for americans. Chris we ask you for questions from the panel and we got a bunch from people who were upset about the disarray that we are seeing and we have seen on the show about repealing obamacare. Someone named common sense, i think im going to take the name, one this is for republicans, what have you been doing since it was passed, back in 2010, two, why werent you ready to go on day one for President Trump . Jason, how do you answer common sense . One problem is the democrats have been slowwalking a lot of the nominees that trump has put forward. He habit had a lot of time to work with his team in place and now that he does have a team in place things are moving along. Chris, conservatives have to decide whether theyre going to do whats achievable or pragmatic here or perfect enemy of the good here. The reality here is that a lot of the stuff in this bill paul ryan doesnt like. He doesnt like Medicaid Expansion, he doesnt like using tax credits, Tax Deductions and if you were building a system from scratch, they wouldnt be in there. Hes not building a system from scratch. Hes building a system from obamacare and he wants to move gradually, pragmatically, he wants to move in a way that it can get through both chambers of congress. The republicans dont have a lot of wiggle room. They can only afford lose 12 people maybe. Two. Two. A clean bill is very unlikely to get through the senate. Everyone knows that. Chris michael. A very unfair way to frame the issue. You have one chance on 51vote republican threshold and what conservatives are saying, take the architecture of obamacare and do the rest when you need to get democrats. What theyre proposing going through is the exact opposite. You do the rest now and magically get 60 votes, eight democrats, now that you passed your bill that keeps the architecture in place we are going to join you to tear down the architecture. Trump didnt run on doing the rest later, he ran and repeal and replace and thats why hes backing congressman ryan right now. The house speaker, because he knows that they will own they will own health care, they will own every horror story. Even trump tweeted this will be a disaster in 2018 if we dont get this right. If republicans leave the architecture of obamacare in place and if we have debt specials and premiums going up under ryan, what is it going to look like in 2020. I want to bring you in julie, i want to ask you about about the good jobs report that we got for last month, how much credit do you think President Trump, you heard gary cohn say the ceos are in and they will start investing and how much credit do you think President Trump legitimately deserves for the good jobs numbers and gary had to kind of as you expect anybody in the white house to do, dock on the question of the fed, how worried are they about the fed and the series of rate hikes over the next few months and whether that could turn the economy around . When you look at the jobs numbers theres two pieces. A lot of what youre seeing in the jobs numbers is part of patterns and trend line that is we saw last year under president obama. Its undedeniable that theres a level of confidence on wall street among some of the executives that have been meeting with the president lately that may be contributing chris the confidence numbers are up. Passing a repeal and replace of obamacare and passing tax overhaul. Theres a lot of pressure on the white house to make good on those promises. When it comes to the fed rate hike, there is some nervousness. They are limited in what they can say publicly obviously because the fed is independent. Theres nervousness that if you start growth to roll back and you are in the middle of a really tough obamacare debate and tax reform gets pushed off longer, then we are suddenly looking at a much different economic picture than what they feel like they have walked into right now. Chris in 30 seconds i want to talk you back to the whole obamacare last week. The big news is the Congressional Office week will come out with the score and expectation say that millions of people will lose, maybe accurate or maybe it isnt but its going to be out there, will lose coverage under repeal and replace, how scared are they about that . The preemptive spinning of numbers tell you everything that you need to know. They know that there is going to be some number out there perhaps up to 15 million, we dont know exactly of people who will lose coverage and even if they are discrediting that number, that is going to be a pretty powerful figure for opponents both on the left and the right to wheel this plan. Chris all right, we have to take a break, panel. When we come back a new headache for team trump over former National Security adviser Michael Flynn, what did they know about flynns work with the turkish government during the campaign . Im val. The orange money retirement squirrel from voya. I represent the money you save for the future. Whos he . Hes the green money you can spend now. Whats up . Gonna pay some bills, maybe buy a new tennis racket. Hes got a killer backhand. When its time to get organized for retirement, its time to get voya. General flynn is a wonderful man. I think he has been treated unfairly by the meeting. Disappointed by the story. The first i heard of it and i think it is it is an affirmation of the president s decision to ask general flynn to resign. Chris the Trump Administrations tone towards former National Security adviser Michael Flynn changing sharply after revelations he was paid to work on behalf of the turkish government during the president ial campaign and we are back now with the panel. Well, let me reset for all of you, Michael Flynn was perhaps Donald Trumps top Foreign Policy adviser during the campaign but he registered this week as Foreign Agent for work he did at the same time during the government of turkey and turns out the trump transition after the election was told about this other job, julie, the white house says that the president at any point in this process as candidate, as president elect was never told that Michael Flynn was moonlighting. He had another job. You find that as hard to believe as i do . I do. There were reports of what Michael Flynn was doing. Even if we do take the white houses word on this and accept that no one passes information onto donald trump, im not sure that makes it any better. Then youre in a situation where you have the perp who is now the White House Council receiving word from flynns lawyer that he may have to register as a Foreign Agent and not feeling as though that raised red flags of his participation and not raising that issue to the white house. So i think either way if the president was aware and didnt think it was concerning or if top staffers didnt bring to the white house, i dont think the Trump Administration comes out looking good here. Chris do you think that fades away . Hes gone but it opens a whole new avenue in looking at flynn and what he was doing during the campaign and during the transition and his brief time at the white house, we have been focused a lot on the conversations with the russian embassador, but now we are going to start to dig more on what he was doing for this company that could have benefited the turkish government. Chris jason, maybe im old fashion, in fact, i am old fashion but i find it shocking that here is the top National Security adviser to the president ial nominee of the republican party, one of the two people who was going to be president , who was participating in top secret classified briefings and turns out that he was working for another country at the same time. Not just another country, turkey isnt france or britain. Turkey has taken a sharp turn for the the worst in recent years. Its doubling disturbing that we are talking about turkey here. The other thing that disturbed me was the lack of communication among the administration. Here you have sean spicer, the white house spokesman out there defending flynn saying cred credentials are impeccable and now you know why we fired him. There needs to be better messaging coming from the administration. We have seen this on other issues before. They really need to get their act together. Chris to make the point, flynn is saying that his lawyers notified during the transition, not during the campaign but during the transition, notified don who ended up as the white House Counsel about the fact that he had done this work and that he might asking whether he needed to register as a Foreign Agent which he ended up doing just this last week. Is it conceivable to you that that information is passed on to the president elect before making him his adviser . I dont think. Either trump did not appreciate the seriousness or importance. Chris lets switch subject. More than 8,000 secret files from the cia that indicated how that agency was able to turn cell phones and Television Sets and other devices into cyber weapons. Here was sean spicers reaction to this this disclosure. This is the kind of disclosure that undermines our country, our security and our well being. Chris some conservatives were praising Julian Assange during the campaign for the fact they were releasing the emails of john podesta and embarrassing Hillary Clinton in the process, were they wrong then and do they need to apologize . Well, wikileaks is an enemy of the United States. I think both sides over the last couple of years have had times where partisan political reasons wikileaks has appeared to be useful. You talk about in the last couple of years with the election but earlier when there was embarrassing things coming out about the Bush Administration or otherwise, there were people on the left who were praising wikileaks, certainly during the snowden time there were people that were praising. We have a big problem in the country. If theres somebody inside the cia leaking this type of information, its incredibly serious thing and has to be taken care of and both sides need recognize that wikileaks needs to be embraced. Its something that all americans need to be deeply concerned about. Chris this is an issue thats being debated in the conservative community, though, you say that you believe that wikileaks and Julian Assange are enemies of this country . I think that we need to be able to have a conversation in this country about what is the right balance of security and privacy, those are important conversations that largely need to happen inside capitol hill and people that are elected by us to represent our interest and have security clear answers but certainly thats a valid question for us to be having. Its not a conversation that should be run by foreign actors and foreign actors with tie today a country like russia. Thats obviously not the appropriate way for a democratic country to debate difficult subjects. Chris michael makes a good point, yes, in the last year or so its the conservatives who have embraced wikileaks and its revelations about Hillary Clinton and the campaign and podesta and the Democratic National committee but there was a time where the original Wikileaks Dump with the Bradley Manning Chelsea Manning stuff that it was liberals who were talking about it. Theres a key distinction here, chris. In one case we are talking about things that involve domestic interventions spying on people here in the United States. What was revealed this week was about cia method, sources, tactics overseas. Thats the cia shouldnt be spying on our enemies, shouldnt be keeping us safe, of the, they should be. All of this is the work to my mind of assange and wikileaks as really puppets for the russians because i think thats clear and thats where the information is coming from and they are driving this whole argument, i think, one in terms of the election as you pointed out to undermine trust and faith in American Democratic processes, but secondly, undermine faith and confidence in institutions and i think they do that quite directly in service to russian agenda. Chris in that sense, should liberals, conservatives, republicans an democrats all give us indeed. They are an enemy to the American People but i think its ironic to go back to the way you posed the question to michael that you had people that said, no big deal when it was podestas email, dnc hacking, well, we dont notice that they are not hacking the republicans, not hacking donald trump and Damaging Trust and confidence in the clinton campaign. Chris julie, this leaks comes on top from all the others, from Law Enforcement about President Trump, we are going the talk about russia in the next segment, but what do they think at the white house of the inability of this government to keep secrets secret . Its driving them crazy. Every day they come in and they see information on the front page it was newspapers and on television that is supposed to be kept private. They are blaming this on career people or obama political appointee that is the agencies that are oldovers right now. But to some extent it does reveal what is a real problem that there are people in this government who dont believe what trump is doing and want to expose it. He has to grapple with that. Chris up next, donald trump goes silent on russia this week refusing to answer a single question. Whats that all about . [ sighs ] [ rumbling ] i think we should let the house did the investigation. There is no evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and the russians on the election. He was seen in some ridiculous thing that everybody in the 35 page document that it was true. And then lets talk when it from there. We have another week. Of the fbi director james comey walking all over the capital meeting with top congressional leaders and as you pointed out still no word about any evidence of collusion. Between the russians in the trump world. As a possible in fact likely at this point that there is no evidence against donald trump and there is no evidence for donald trump when it comes to his charge. And there is no evidence that president obama had any knowledge of that. I think the president is right to go silent on this issue until the committees can do their investigation but its probably something he shouldnt raise in the first place. Is it possible. We spend a been a lot off a lot of time talking about russia and fallout from russia is it possible that there is no there there. The National Security agencies have all put their name and stamp on in stamp on a report that indicates it. When it comes to what the Trump Campaign new. There was an astounding number of contact between the Trump Campaign officials with russias and now the attorney general for some reason they did not want to own up to these context. The interference is real. That was no evidence of that. That was no evidence of that. No one ever gets the last word here. Thats all we had time for. Have a great week. Welcome to the journal editorial report i am dav welcome to the journal editorial report. To repeal in replace the Affordable Care act late thisgo week. N to after a very rocky rollout. Amid the backlash. Over what should replace obama care. He pl we have to admit that we are divided on replacement. We are divided on replacement