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are a little on the dry side but last night, they were loaded for bear. it was mr. perry's debut there with the debate and they wasted no time in clobbering each other. jobs! >> while he had a good private sector record. his public sector record did not match that. as a matter of fact, we created more jobs in the last three months in texas than he created in four years in massachusetts. >> texas is a great state. texas has zero income tax. texas has a right to work state. a republican legislature and a republican supreme court. texas has a lot of oil and gas in the ground. those are wonderful things but governor perry doesn't believe he created those things. if he tried to say that, it would be like al gore saying he invented the internet. >> michael dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did, mitt. >> as a matter of fact, george bush and his predecessor created jobs at a faster rate than you did, governor. >> very good theater. that one answer by mitt romney was spectacular. it's always good, i think, to go out of your way to sort of compliment your opponent first and take him kind of on the offense or defense and then you go in for the jab. i thought it was very effective. >> and i thought -- on the other note, i thought that michelle bachmann did not step. newt gingrich absolutely did. "u.s. news & world report" said look for gingrich to step up. i thought it was wonderful. >> showed up sick, there they were under the former air force one there at the ronald reagan library last night, 105 minute debate and because he was in the cross hairs, mr. perry, the interesting thing about him, all eyes were on him and he did not back down, whatever the topic was. here's a little montage. >> for the president of the united states to go to el paso, texas and say that the border is safer than it's ever been, either he has some of the poorest intel of a president in the history of this country or he was an abject liar to the american people. it is not safe on that border. >> your state has executed 234 death row inmates more than any other governor in modern times. have you -- have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent? >> no, sir, i've never struggled with that at all. they get a fair hearing. they go through an appellate process. they go up to the supreme court of the united states if that's required. if you come into our state, and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer,you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of texas and that is you will be executed. >> that was a layup for him and when you hear the death penalty on the crowd, you have them on your side. >> how about that question? do you have trouble sleeping at night? how about the first question out of the gate blaming bush? saying that when all the talk in the last week has been about barack obama and the poll numbers where he faces with americans as far as job approval, the first question was about president bush from three years ago. >> america, they say, according to their stats, still blame him. and i thought that in terms of the -- do you remember when brent musberger were on the pregame show. he used to have that whole thing, have all the checks on the one side but at the last box, you know what it would say. intangible. who had that intangible. if you get that check, you're usually predicted to win. rick perry might have missed the checks but in the end, he had the intangible. >> a lot of muscularity. he was strong last night. >> phyllis george was very attractive. >> she was. she's been on this program a couple of times. meanwhile, one of the hot topic was rick perry and social security because it has been -- some of the things he has said in the past, mitt romney thought would come back to bite him but perry once again did not back down and here's some give and take on that entitlement. >> it is a monsterous lie. it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you're paying into a program that's going to be there. anybody that's for the status quo with social security today is involved with a monsterous lie to our kids. >> and under no circumstances would i ever say by any measure, it's a failure. it is working for millions of americans and i'll keep it working for millions of americans and we got to do that as a party. >> cannot keep the status quo in place and not call anything other than a ponzi scheme. it is. that is what it is. americans know that and regardless of what anyone says, oh, it's not and that's provocative language. maybe it's time to have some provocative language in this country and say things like "let's get america working again and do whatever it takes to make that happen." >> here's the thing, rick perry wrote a book in 2010 called "fed up" and a lot of those questions last night came from quotes and thoughts and principles in that book. some analysts say it will be difficult for him to defend all those things like social security being called a ponzi scheme. he was not backing down. to me that was a paul ryanesque kind of moment where paul ryan came farorward with the budget x months ago and he said people are going to vindicate me and say how stupid i am, to me, you have to tell the truth. >> do you mean a good moment or bad moment? >> i think it's good to already defend what you already have said even if people don't agree with it. it's important. >> you know what i thought? good-bye, florida. there's a lot of people in florida are saying wait a second, i'm concerned about my social security. tell me if it's going to be ok and in relate is you'll have to raise the retirement age. in reality is you got to rework the math but if you tell the american people that social security is not going to be there, i don't think that's the right approach and i thought that mitt romney's finest moment was the follow-up to that. essentially saying i want to fix it. >> right. had rick perry gotten another 30 seconds and those guys were very strict on the time limit yesterday, he may have gone on to say, look, it's a ponzi scheme. it doesn't work. we need to focus on entitlements and i as president will do just that. and fix that. and then we wouldn't be talking about that particular soundbite. >> need to fix that on twitter during our show. he could say listen, what i should have said last night. >> he could just phone us right now. >> what romney's folks were doing, they were twittering a lot last night during the debate saying here's a good point. here's a good point. he won on this one. but the main focus seemed to be on the debut of rick perry and at one point, he acknowledged that. >> i kind of feel like the pinata here at the party. >> pinata at the party. whack! >> he had every reason, if he wanted to take yesterday off, he could have done it. hasn't debated in four years. he's been with the fires in texas and couldn't even go to the preshow which was the senator demint conference on monday. he could have said i'm going to wait. i have two more in two weeks. let's wait. even still he knew he was going to be the target. >> on the three second soundbite where rick perry said he felt like the pinata. the guy from politico said you're welcome. if you have another debate, don't have that guy. he was dreadful. he made me uncomfortable to watch the program. anyway, he tried very hard to try to get the candidates into a food fight and newt gingrich would not take the debate last night on this. listen. >> the fact that president obama doesn't come to the reagan library to try to figure out how to create jobs. doesn't talk to any of these three governors to learn how to create jobs, tells you that this is a president so committed to class warfare and so committed to bureaucratic socialism that he can't possibly be effective in jobs. the fact is every person up here understands obamacare is a disaster. and i hope all of my friends up here are going to repudiate every effort of the news media to get republicans to fight each other, to protect barack obama who deserves to be defeated and all of us are committed as a team, whoever the nominee is, we are all for defeating barack obama. >> i'm frankly not interested in your effort to get republicans fighting each other. >> if you're the moderator, if you're the host, not to get them fighting but to engage. >> with something interesting. >> although it's great theater and it's interesting part of the debate. when he attacked chris wallace, i thought that was out of line and i don't think that was appropriate. if you're the moderator, i'd like to say newt, you said this. herman cain said this. engage. you want the moderators to step back and let the candidates be the show. >> i don't have a problem with that at all. i don't have one single problem with that. not at all. >> those are the most memorable moments to me of the debate. you heard what the audience, how they reacted. they clammpped. >> because they don't want republicans to fight. >> ronald reagan had the 11th commandment, thou shall not beat up other republicans. and to some effect they got -- >> reagan was on ford all the time when reagan won that nomination. i don't know about that commandment. >> those were the primaries auto. >> let's do some headlines. german police have arrested two suspected terrorists for allegedly plotting a large bomb attack. police raided a mosque in berlin as well as the suspects' homes there. one man was lebanese and the other palestinian. they were accused of having a large amount of materials. they had been investigating the men for at least two months. flash floods wreaking havoc across pennsylvania this morning. families trapped in their homes, cars submerged. people in northern and central areas of the state are being evacuated. highways are closed. many schools are canceled. one man has reportedly died in these floods. and check out the situation near baltimore, maryland, several cars almost completely underwater there. some folks had to be rescued. one firefighter hurt during a rescue attempt but he's now ok. firefighters slowly gaining ground against the devastating wildfire in bastrop, texas. right now the fire is 30% contained. but for some, it's too little, too late. this fire alone has already killed two people and destroyed more than 800 homes. right now, officials are trying to use a special jetliner to dump fire retardant on this fire. the problem, though, is they haven't been able to find a qualified pilot. are you kidding me? an american airlines flight from dallas to washington canceled before takeoff after a passenger reported two men on the plane acting suspiciously. republican congressman blake farangold, a member of the homeland security committee was on board during that security scare. >> when you're sitting on the airplane and the pilot comes on the p.a. system just a couple of days before 9/11 and says there's been a security breach and you fleed to leave your stuff on the plane and get off so we can search it, it certainly gives you a wake-up call. >> the two passengers were questioned and they were released without any charges. reese witherspoon on the mend this morning after being hit by a car while she was jogging near her home in santa monica, california. the oscar winning actress was taken to the hospital but had just minor injuries. the driver was an 84-year-old woman. she was cited for not yielding to a pedestrian at a crosswalk. and those are your headlines. >> goes to show you, you shouldn't exercise. >> one way to think about it. >> we'll be talking about the debate all morning long. if you saw it, who do you think won? e-mail us, friends at foxnews.com or you can send us something on the twitter. >> in our darkest hours, they gave us hope. why is the city of new york robbing our most dedicated servants the opportunity to attend the september 11th memorial. that's coming up. >> and congressman paul broum joins us next to explain why. >> president obama in the news. president obama has moved his big speech on the economy tomorrow to just before the nfl season opener. yeah. now, as a sign of how bad the economy is, the nfl had to borrow the quarter 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i understand you had some interesting comments on the questions and tone of them. >> i thought the questions were very negative. they were very accusatory and they're trying to create political theater which i think is quite unfortunate. the american people need on know what these candidates stand for, what they believe and what they will do in president and in the way the questions were asked, generally geared towards trying to make each fight against the other and i think that's wrong. i think we need to focus upon the issues and in particularly, we need to focus upon jobs and the economy. and i think the american people won last night because it was very obvious that any of those candidates are demonstrably better than our current president to create jobs and create a stronger economy. >> tonight, of course, moving on to the next topic is the president's big speech before the joint sessions of congress. now, you were one of the first to say look, i'm not going to be in attendance. what's your message in not showing up? >> gretchen, i'm going to be in my office watching the president's speech but i'm going to be holding a live town hall meeting on twitter and i'm going to be listening to my constituents, people across this country about what their ideas about the president's speech might be as well as what ideas that they have about creating a stronger economy and creating jobs in the private sector. so i think it's important for us to listen to the american people. i don't think the president is doing that. and a lot of people here in washington aren't doing that. >> here's the thing, dr. broun. we can twitter during the show, you can twitter during the speech if you're still sitting there. we've seen the camera shots of people on their blackberries. why not just sit there and do that? what's your message in physically not being there? >> we're not supposed to be utilizing our blackberry in the house chamber and i think it's better for me to sit in the office, watch it on tv where i can communicate with my constituents. i try to listen to them and i reach out to them about issues. i take ideas from my constituents. and we even write legislation from ideas that i get from my constituents. >> so it's not a message to the president that you physically won't be in that seat. >> no, not at all. in fact, i believe very firmly this is going to be another political speech that the campaign is on, the president is going to give us another campaign speech. we've heard those types of speeches. we already see what he's proposing and he's proposing more government which is not the solution. he's given us the same kind of solutions that have not worked and what we need to do is we need to focus on things like my jobs bill, h.r. 660 which would create jobs and republicans have a lot of ideas that will create jobs out in the private sector. this president wants to promote just more big government. more central planning in washington, d.c. >> you won't be the only seat that's empty. by last count, i think there's about six members of congress who decided the same thing that you have. congressman paul broun from geor georgia, get your fingers ready for all the tweeting tonight. >> casey anthony, here's a creative way to hide from the media. become a mexican citizen? 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>> number one, that's the best indicator that the sanctions actually may be working and we shouldn't ease up on them. and number 2, what it is they're putting on the table is asking us to pay again, pay twice or a third time for that which they should already be committed to since they're a signatory to the nonproliferation treaty. >> al-qaida and its networks, we hear from the administration that al-qaida is on the ropes? >> al-qaida main in the region of pakistan. on the ropes, probably a fair assessment but now you've got a shift in the center of gravity in al-qaida out to the franchises. you have to worry about yemen and somalia. >> simple plots rather than complex plots like 9/11. >> that's really important. as the measure of our success, it's very difficult for them now to do what they did 10 years ago. we have to worry more about the lone wolf self-radicalized. >> china, i'm personally worried. you're not. you don't view them as a threat or enemy but growing power. >> it's a shift in the power equation in east asia and globally, we have to be sensitive to that. we have to respond to that. >> we have to respond. >> we do. and the way i put it, brian, is we should take steps through diplomacy, through commerce, through our military forces to make it more difficult to china growing in power, to do something stupid five, 10 or 15 years from now. >> and let people in taiwan and south korea and japan know we have their backs. mexican cartels and violence and instability. we watch it over there. you're worried about it coming over. >> i am. it's already bleeding over the border. here's a good friend, good neighbor, one of whom we do nafta, this intimate trade relationship, the border should be open and the border has to get thickened each day because of our fear that the violence and the corruption we see in mexico bleeds over into american territory. and brian, this is happening on a timetable beyond our control. >> right. unless we quick bolster up border security. lack of cyber defense, no one talks about this. this might be the potentially debilitati debilitating. >> frankly, for everyone out there watching, it's the one that will most immediately affect you and the problem here is frankly, the nature of the net. we built this thing over the past several decades not to be secure. we've built it easy for you and i to use. that makes it much more difficult to make it safe to use. >> right. wikileaks is just an example. finally, when they said that the troops levels in iraq could go down to 3,000, general, for someone who lived and breathed this war for years, what's your reaction? >> i'm puzzled. i'm not party to the discussions going on inside government, brian, but that's a really small number. i wonder what -- for what mission is that number sufficient? >> do you know any military officer that says that's a good idea? >> again, i'm not in government. >> but -- >> but the answer is no. >> general, we love having you in and we love your insight and i'd like to know you're on our side. >> all right, thanks, brian. >> thank you very much. 27 minutes after the hour. so much for happily ever after. you have a man suing his ex-fiancee for fraud and deceit when their relationship crumbles. can you do that? millions of people underwater on their homes. is the president doing enough to help. stuart varney up next with what the president should say and do tonight. there he is. he'll be here soon, i can tell. but first, happy birthday to pink. i believe it's a nickname but the singer/songwriter turns 32 today. she's the girl. ♪ [ female announcer ] erybody loves that cushiony feeling. uh oh. i gotta go. 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>> i think you can put anything you want. >> oh, you can? it's not a multiple choice thing. single, dating. married. divorced. >> for the record, chris on camera three knows everything about facebook. >> he used to be mr. my space. those were the days! in the meantime, interest rates are at historic lows but people aren't sinking any money into new hoementz. the application for mortgages are currently at the lowest rate in 15 years. >> why is that happening? good thing stu varney is here to answer our questions. time after time, you come on this curvy couch and you say this is the greatest time to buy a house. you can basically steal the money. why aren't people doing that? >> first of all, the numbers are astonishing. applications for refinancing, mortgage refinancings down 35% in the last year. as you pointed out, applications for mortgages down 13%, 14%, 15% from one year ago. that's astonishing dropoff at a time when you have very low mortgage rates, historically low, 4% on a 30-year fixed and you have a down movement on house prices back to 2003 levels. why is this happening? number one, if you want to refinance but you've got no equity in your home, you don't have a job. you have a low credit score, you're not going to get a refinancing loan and the bank is being pressured by the government, i mean, the administration is all over their backs taking them to court, they don't want to take any risk on mortgages so they're not going to give you the loan in the first place and do you want to buy a home if you think that three, four, five weeks down the road, the price will be lower? and the mortgage rate will be lower. so everybody is holding off and you've got this extraordinary movement out of home loans. never seen it before. >> right, we've got some statistics, average 30 year fixed rate mortgage right now is at 4.32% but right now in this country, stuart, uncertainty is at 100%. >> yes, it is. uncertainty about the future price. uncertainty about your job. i think those mortgage rates are going to go way down. 4.3%. >> lower than that? >> much lower than that. ben bernanke is going to make a speech today and he's going to manipulate long term rates down even more. that means mortgage rates will fall even more. >> many people might sit on the sideline because they might think they can get lower. >> i hope ben bernanke doesn't listen last night. wasn't newt gingrich said the first thing he would do is fire ben bernanke. >> and his president is eminent. >> is there anything political about ben bernanke giving the speech in front of president obama? >> i don't think so. >> president obama is going to put something in the speech called the huge mortgage relief program. does that make you feel better or worse? >> so far, the government's attempt to offer relief to homeowners have failed miserably at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars. if he follows the plan, that i think he's going to, some kind of mortgage relief, it will be at the expense of taxpayers all over again. i'm not sure it will work either. >> we'll be watching "varney & company" or as you call it, the company. >> when you go primetime, i'm there, varney. >> more stories making headlines this hour. national guard telling soldiers in carson city, nevada, do not wear your uniforms off base after deadly shooting at an ihop. police say the mentally disturbed gunman was not targeting the military when he killed four people including three national guard soldiers before turning his ak-47 on himself. you can hear the gunshots in the 911 calls. >> get out of there! >> ok. >> ryan! no! he's shooting at us now. >> see if you can get -- >> weapon, he's shooting everybody. >> that's horrible to listen to. well, the soldiers that were killed are these people. major kelly who served in iraq. sergeant first class miranda m.c.alhiney who served 14 years and sergeant first class christian reeves who fought in afghanistan. also killed, 57-year-old florence gunderson, she was eating breakfast with her husband, a former marine who was also injured. a terrible story. >> it is indeed. meanwhile, the biggest loss of life in sports history. 43 members of a russian professional hockey league died in a plane crash near moscow. private jet wasn't apparently going fast enough when it took off. the pilot could have aborted the takeoff but kept on going. plane hit a radio antenna and broke apart on the banks of the river. only two guys survived. both are in critical condition. among the dead are three former nhl players, paval dmitri and brian? >> brad mckrimpy. >> the team headed to belarus for its season opener. that's terrible. >> fast and furious from attorney general eric holder. it's his strongest personal defense in the growing controversy over the government's ridiculous guns tracking program. holder now saying for the first time, he had no idea fast and furious was being carried out at the time. holder also dismissing the congressional investigation as nothing more than a political witch hunt. >> from "i do" to i sue, a california man bringing his ex-fiancee to court demanding she give back all the gifts he gave her including this $52,000 engagement ring. where is it? can't we see it in color? anyway, the man suing his ex for fraud and deceit say it's only fair since she broke off the engagement. all right. so they're getting divorced before they got married. >> and i'm going to work on a color shot. >> thank you. for $52,000 ring, i'd like to see it in color. >> and that's the least -- can she possibly -- can you work on that, ted? thank you. there is no ted. meanwhile, let me tell you what's happening in football. the nfl regular season kicks off tonight between defending champions green bay packers and the new orleans saints and i for one am picking the saints. ted is not. should he have existed. big story today, colts quarterback peyton manning is officially out for this weekend's opener at houston. he's recovering from off-season neck surgery. why is that significant? that means his consecutive game streak stops at 277 games in a row. bret favre is number one. kerry collins starting in manning's place. eli has the most starts over 100. tennis now, u.s. open rained out for a second consecutive day. have they thought about a roof? rafael nadal started his match but the court was slippery and officials stopped play. nadal storms off the court angry they started the match. same thing happens to andy roddick. play resumes today. she literally lost by a hair. take a close look at this picture. i'm talking about the gymnast from belarus who loses out on a gold medal at the long jump championships because her ponytail was too long. the back of her hair touched the sand so that's where she was marked. the winner, ponytailless whitney reese kept her hair in a bun. >> the bun is the secret. >> the bun. yeah. the bun wins. bun and good training, i think, and good nutrition. >> bun head. >> that particular sportscast is going to go down into like a hall of fame somewhere. >> and not a good hall of fame. >> maybe not. >> ok. thank you. >> but you're still hot. >> it's significant. >> all right. straight ahead, they made the ultimate sacrifice to save others on september 11th but now, those firefighters are being shut out of this sunday's memorial. the brother of a fallen firefighter here next. he calls the decision atrocious. >> and our analysis of rick perry continues. our next guest, the man who worked on eight presidential campaigns. his specialty is preparing the candidates for debates. what would he have done differently with these candidates, if anything? 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>> no, haven't gotten any explanation. we haven't gotten any explanation and i don't think the firefighters have gotten any explanation not that i'm aware of. and you know, they wouldn't ask for any explanation. that's who they are. they're asked to go. they're called into duty. they go. but they're not going to raise a fuss. they're not going to explain. that's who they are. so a guy like me is going to complain for them. there's plenty of room at the space. i've been there. i was on the memorial space a couple of weeks ago. and then you're not asking for regiment of guys. some gesture, some recognition of their sacrifice. >> indeed. i understand you started paying attention to this. we were just talking about how hard it is to believe that it's already been 10 years. but you started paying attention when bloomberg would not invite any spiritual leaders to this event. >> right. right. and that's -- in fact, he's not going to identify fire chaplain father michael judge as father michael judge at the memorial. >> the first victim. >> right. he won't be identified as father michael judge. so there's no prayers, there's no honor of the sacrifice. it's really diminishing of the day. >> i haven't seen the memorial yet. i look forward to it but in there is the first responders aren't there. correct? >> among their brothers' name will be engine 21. there will be no captain. memorial will not include fdny, nypd or papd, it will not include the word firefighter or police officer, it won't identify, say, deputy commissioner who is the oldest and highest ranking member of the department to die in the line of duty, they won't identify him as deputy commissioner. it's not going to -- i mean, you won't know who they were and you certainly won't know who they -- will not honor their sacrifice. >> what do you think mayor bloomberg has been doing with this? >> that's a good question. i think he's just not -- >> trying to get a quick show over and out? >> oh, yeah. oh, yeah. he wants a quick -- get the memorial done, the commemoration done under three hours. make it efficient. make it clean. get it done and get out. >> president obama and presidents, president bush, and the governors and the mayors and giuliani, no one speaks. they are just reading poetry and i just thought that would be an opportunity for a great leader to do something. >> i also said that. somebody needs to step up and remind us of what happened that day and what it means to the country and the world. >> all right. michael burke, thank you very much for your service and joining us today. >> and telling the story of your brother. >> all right. 12 minutes before the top of the hour. ahead, the administration says it cannot stop language like this. >> keep your eyes on the prize. let's take these sons of a [beep] out and give america back to america where it belongs. thank you very much. thank you. >> you're welcome. but michelle malkin has another theory on why the white house is staying so quiet. >> and so did rick perry stick it to mitt last night? 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"fox & friends" hour two for this thursday starts right now. >> hi, this is caesar milan and you're watching "fox & friends" and i can't train this three. >> thank you, dog whisperer. >> did he say he could train a tree? >> that's true, he can't train a tree and he cannot train these three. >> these three. we are untrainable. >> yes. listen, give me the cogger spaniel with a chip on his shoulder. he can handle that. >> these three hardly ever watch one of those other newschannels but we watched it last night because they had a big debate on last night and we asked you who you thought of the republicans won and you're all over the place. a lot of you thought perry won. a lot of you thought that -- >> gingrich. >> gingrich, also mitt romney but according to their on line poll, the winner was ron paul. poll right afterward, he got 47%. >> he has the most dedicated supporters, i have to give him that. let's do some headlines for you now. we have a fox news alert about terrorism. three days away from september 11th. german police have arrested two systemed islam suspected islamic terrorists. they raided a mosque and raided the suspect's home. one man is lebanese and the other is palestinian. they believed to have obtained a large amount of chemicals typically used for bomb making. police say they had been investigating the men for at least two months. firefighters slowly gaining ground now against the devastating wildfire in bastrop, texas. right now, the fire only 30% contained but that's progress. for some, though, too little too late. this fire alone has killed two people and destroyed more than 800 homes. right now, officials are trying to use a special jetliner to dump fire retardant on the flames. here's the catch, they haven't been able to find a qualified pilot. here's one of those people. let them know. flash floods wreaking havoc across pennsylvania this morning. families are trapped in their homes, their cars are submerged. people in northern and central areas of the state are evacuating. highways are closed and many schools have been canceled. two men have reportedly died in these floods. check out the situation near baltimore, maryland. several cars are almost completely underwater there. some folks had to be rescued. one firefighter hurt during a rescue attempt but he's doing ok now. neil diamond hitting a major high note in his career. >> ♪ sweet caroline ♪ good times never been so good ♪ >> like his sideburns. that was diamond sings his hit "caroline kennedy "for former first daughter caroline kennedy. more than four decades later, kennedy is singing his honors. he'll be honored later this year with actress meryl streep, they'll receive awards. >> and michelle malkin is with us on the phone right now. the author of "culture corruption." welcome back. >> thanks for having me back. >> first off, i know it was tough flipping channels and having to watch the g.o.p. debate. you did. your reaction to the sparring that went on between governor perry and governor romney? >> well, it was bound to happen. these are the two frontrunners. i found it mildly entertaining. although not incredibly informative in the end and i think that was a function of just how ridiculous the entire debate format was. someone last night described it as a little like watching the yankees station call a mets game or interrogate the mets, you know what i'm saying? and i think it -- to me, i think it's so unsatisfying for conservatives to take this test seriously of getting these g.o.p. candidates to put it in the hands of so-called objective journalist who's are outright hostile to republicans and conservatives. >> that's a great point. towards the end, there was a question about the number of people who ultimately wind up with the death penalty in the state of texas. and the question was to rick perry, did he have trouble falling asleep at night knowing so many people were subject to the death penalty. here's his answer which got a big applause from the crowd. >> in the state of texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of texas. and that is you will be executed. >> what do you make of -- >> you know, we didn't hear from the crowd much. but we heard there. why do you think that is, michelle? >> well, i think it was more of a response to the beltway bubble culture. than anything else. and you could tell just how disturbed the journalists and particularly brian williams were appalled that there was applause. look, it's a serious issue. i think rick perry did a very good job conveying the gravity of the situation. but the point is that you would not hear a similarly worded question about, for example, the consequences of obama policies but these people ever dare to say, for example, to barack obama, how do you sleep at night knowing that your administration has blood on its hands because of operation fast and furious. they would never preface a question for obama, how do you sleep at night? >> right. how about the very first question and actually, it was a statement. the way in which they set the entire tone for the debate. not talking about what all the recent polls in the last three weeks have shown which is president obama, his lowest approval rating ever on the economy. but instead, to say the numbers from a recent poll candidly are jaw dropping. that was brian williams' words, a majority of people in this country now believe the republican policies of the past eight years are responsible for the economic mess. what did you make of that? >> yes, great point, gretchen, about just how out of touch these so-called moderators and objective neutral journalists were from the very start. since the very opening of the debate. and i think it was more telling what wasn't mentioned. obama's failure, obama's war on the west. obama's alliance with the profane and costly leaders of big labor. none of these things got -- got mentioned last night. and i think, you know, this would be akin to having a democratic presidential debate set in, i don't know, f.b.i. headquarters moderated by rush limbaugh with questions by, i don't know, me and andrew bricebart. it's completely unimaginable and ridiculous. and yet, we had something of an analogy on the other side last night and it's part of presidential debate history. >> right. and now, let's just move on to the speech and preview what's happening there. president will be speaking tonight about 7:00. he'll get it done before the saints and packers play. in it, he's going to be talking about a way forward on his jobs program. he did not take eric cantor and john boehner up on their offer to meet before to see if they could find some common ground. so therefore, he's going to go forward. what do you expect to hear in this speech, what do you hope to hear in this speech? >> i'm not going to hear a single thing that we haven't already heard before and that's why i think so many republicans are somewhat blindly skipping up out on the speech in the first place. he's doubling down on stupid. stupid failed big government spending policies. and to the dismay of the big spending liberals, he's doubling down by having -- cutting in half the size of these original package. there's another problem here which is that -- and i've been focusing on this for several weeks on my blog and in my column. he's going to be focusing a lot on increasing infrastructure spending that we have these shovel ready jobs, we could put millions of people back to work right away, if we spent on school construction and highway construction, well, we have tens of billions of dollars that were earmarked in the stimulus for schools construction and for highway construction, it hasn't been spent or has been spent very poorly. >> yeah. >> and the other problem, of course, is these jobs as a result of his big labor friendly executive orders will be exclusively slush funds for the union. >> it's unbelievable and real quick, he said it himself. there's no such thing as a shovel ready project. it looks as though he's going to call for more funding on shovel ready projects which don't even exist. >> how does he get away from that acknowledgment, michelle? >> i guess that would be one reason to actually watch it tonight. you know, one thing that i think is wonderful is seeing marsha blackburn invite a ceo who has been negatively impacted. >> mr. gibson guitar. >> by these obama policies and i think we should have -- take a hill date tonight and have every attending republican who actually is showing up bring a ceo, bring a small business entrepreneur who has been strangled, who has been stifled by these obama policies. >> million great ideas today. you mentioned big labor a moment ago and famously jimmy hoffa talked about, you know, getting out the vote and, you know, doing what to the tea party members. you got a column out right now talking about how the president protects the teamsters in particular. got a little time. can you explain that? >> yes, this is a bromance that goes way back. it's a bromance that's costing taxpayers and costing employers, costing rank and file workers and i urge everyone to go read it at michellemalkin.com because i lay out all the different ways that obama has protected the teamsters and big labor buddies from issuing special waivers and exempting them from the cadillac health exemption and to obama from the very beginning promising that he would call off the feds on teamsters corruption. jimmy hoffa is using this whole tea party mechanism to distract from his own festering ethics scandals and guess what? he's facing a huge challenge on his left when he faces election this november and that's what this is really about. preserving his own power. >> all right. check it out at michellemalkin.com. thank you very much. it's always a pleasure. sorry we couldn't see you on tv today. >> you bet. thanks, guys. >> this might be the most creative political ad of the year. >> if you don't live in the united states or france, they live in the united states of america. they're going to have to get with it. >> the candidate behind the ad. who was rick perry's former secretary of state here live. >> and speaking of perry, he stood by his principles on social security last night but how will that play with the voters? a fair and balanced debate coming up. i think it's juan williams that's included in this. 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[ female announcer ] only flood insurance covers floods. for a free brochure, call the number on your screen. >> who created the most jobs among the g.o.p. presidential candidates? that topic a big point of contention between mitt romney, governor rick perry. >> michael dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did, mitt. >> as a matter of the fact, george bush and his predecessor created jobs at a faster rate than you did, governor. >> that's not correct. >> yeah, it is correct. >> wow, here for the debate reaction, fox news contributor juan williams and republican strategist noelle nicpour. good morning to both of you. who got the better of that exchange? >> i actually think this will be probably an snl moment. you have both of these guys that went pretty head to head on it and i think mitt romney did get one rock em sock em in there. i like that. >> i think it's important that mitt found out and did his research, i love texas but they have a republican legislature and republican supreme court. they are full of oil and no income tax. that is a much better situation than massachusetts. >> yeah. well, it's much better situation if you're trying to create jobs and i think that, you know, i guess nicole's point about snl, "saturday night live" is well taken, but i think that from the overall political point of view, i think romney comes out on top because people are just getting to know rick perry, getting to know who he is and he just seemed so strong last night, seemed so convicted and not nervous in his first debate in five years. i thought he did a great job there. but at the same time, people learned that, you know, texas has low wage jobs, high dropout rate, no health coverage. and a lot of that, i think, is going to introduce questions about rick perry for people who are trying to get to know him. >> a little bit on health care as well. governor perry's weakest moment, definitely most controversial moment came here on social security. let's listen. >> it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you're paying into a program that's going to be there. anybody that's for the status quo with social security today is involved with a monsterous lie to our kids and it's not right. >> noelle, was he trying to fix social security? trying to get rid of social security? what was his point? >> well, i'll tell you one thing, if i worked for romney, one of the things that i would do is i would use those clips from perry to pretty much put the fear in everybody that was retirement age and lives off social security saying whoa, if you vote for perry in the primary, you may be in fear of losing your social security especially in states like florida. i mean, this is not a key -- key statement to make. so i think that -- that was really bad on perry. at least he could have said something like i'd like to revamp it or revisit it. he's like, it's out. >> juan, he left himself vulnerable. romney couldn't have been happier. >> yeah, i think that's right. i think a lot of people this morning are saying, well, perry looked so strong. but when you hear romney say this man says that social security is a ponzi scheme, especially to people -- remember tea party people, the republican base and the dynamic force in the republican party so far in this cycle, a lot of those are sisters a seniors and when you say that social security is a ponzi scheme and you have to start backpeddling. he didn't backpeddle but started to double down, saying we have to have honest and maybe provocative language to tell people -- i don't think that reassures people on the right and certainly not independent voters that he's going to need if he's going to persuade republicans he can beat obama in the general election. >> first debate in four years, first as a presidential candidate and after these massive fires in texas, overall, rick perry has got to be happy with his performance. great seeing you, juan. noelle, great seeing you as well. great debate and good analysis. >> have a great day, brian. >> you, too. >> up next, is "new york times" floating sharia law in the united states of america? that's the law that says beating your wife is ok. and also, in this country, millions of your tax dollars being used to teach 5-year-olds how to speak mandarin. that story is next. >> time to do a little math this morning. 146, that's the number of billionaires that china had this year according to "forbes." next $879 million, how much stimulus cash has not been spent by the energy department according to a government audit. the program was meant to create jobs. oops. finally, $1.2 million. the federal government giving the california school district that cash so kindergarteners can learn to speak mandarin. steve? >> very helpful. you've heard of sharia law, the muslim justice department that says, among other things, that beating beating your wife is ok. "the new york times" believes that they need to embrace sharia law. a column titled "don't fear islamic law in america in the times" questions america's religious tolerance. joining us is a conservative blogger and author of a brand new book called "stop the islamization of america." came out a couple of days ago and joins us live. >> good morning. >> there are dozens of states considering laws banning sharia law from their states. you have this guy writing in "the new york times" don't be afraid of it. >> well, the american people are right. the spread of sharia in the united states is the concern of my new book "stop the islamization of america." the argument put forth by stern in "the new york times," a pro sharia argument is an analogy between sharia law and jewish law. he did not address one tenant of the sharia law and he fails to mention that jewish law is voluntary. there's no compulsion in jewish law. there's no compulsion in cannon law and he doesn't address the fact that women are given half of a man's -- >> making that stuff up. >> or the oppression of nonmuslims under the sharia or the death penalty your honunder sharia. >> let me read the interpret. it says the crusade against sharia undermines american democracy, ignores our country's successful history of religious tolerance and assimilation and creates a dangerous divide between america and its fastest growing religious minority. the suggestion that sharia threatens american security is reminiscent of the accusation in 19th century europe that jewish religious law was seditouous. >> why would "the new york times" print this? >> because "the new york times" is an uber left organization and i think they enjoy the control of the people. clearly, sharia is in conflict of the constitution, just the freedom of speech, the most protected speech under the first amendment is blasphemy. it's blasphemy under the sharia and it's punishable by death in muslim countries, anybody who criticizes islam, what they do right now is punishable by death. they don't assassinate you in america but they assassinate your character. anybody who speaks critically abo about it deemed inactive. >> apparently, the federal funding for that so-called ground zero mosque was denied. right? >> yes, it's interesting to me that the ground zero mosque would apply for federal funds from the ground zero fund and say that it wasn't at ground zero but i think that people need to know that the opposition to the ground zero mosque, 71% of the american people that we fought it and we won and if you want to find out how to fight, islamization of america, you need this book. >> all right. very good. >> thank you, sir. >> the book came out on tuesday. >> yeah, it's brand spanking new. >> thank you very much for joining us live. >> thank you. >> all right. meanwhile, we take a turn. this could be the most creative political ad of the year. it involves animals. >> don't live in the united states or france. they live in the united states of america. they'll have to get with it. >> talking to donkeys. meanwhile, the kanld date behind the ad here live. then the g.o.p. candidates came out swinging against president obama last night. his press secretary jay carney joins us live with the reaction straight ahead on "fox & friends" for a thursday. my doctor told me calcium is besabsorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal. fiber one. h, forgot jack cereal. 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>> new hampshire republican senator kelly ayote joins us right now. good morning to you. >> good morning. great to be with you. >> i'm wondering if the republicans are going to love this speech if you consider the fact that the president apparently denied a meeting with two republicans the day before with speaker boehner and eric cantor. what did you make of that? >> well, i think he should have met with them. i mean, these are the people he has to work with if we want to get pro growth policies passed and get people working in this kunlt. >> right. you've been off for a little while. back to washington, d.c. when you were out and about, what were people talking to you about this? because he said like a month ago, yeah, i'll give that big speech when i get back from vacation. >> well, you know, i think that people are tired of speeches. they want results and they want a real plan from him. you know, he's given a lot of speeches and then he doesn't bring anything over to the congress to get things done and put people to work. if you look at where we are from when he's been on office, since the stimulus we've lost 1.7 million jobs in this country and put us $4 trillion more in debt. they want results. >> i don't think he's going to mention that tonight. >> right. here's how some are characterizing it. they say the speech is billed as a mix of new ideas and previously floated nishlt actives. -- initiatives and one of those initiatives will be $300 billion in stimulus. however, it will be paid for. we're not going to up the debt ceiling because he says we're going to close loopholes and stop the tax breaks for the rich, let them pay their fair share and stop the loopholes and the tax breaks for corporate jet owners. we've heard that before and got us nowhere. >> we have and, you know, what he wants to do is tax more of our job creators. what we need to do is create a positive climate. i talk to so many businesses in new hampshire and what they want is for the federal government to stop passing job killing regulations. he should put a moratorium on regulations in this country instead of what his administration has done which is put further burdens on the private sector. >> so senator, let's just take a wild guess that we're going to hear a bunch of stuff that we've already heard tonight and let's look into the deeper meaning of that. is he doing that in front of congress so he can point the finger at you as a republican? and say see? i said all this stuff, this is what the american people want and it's those darn republicans who won't go along with it. >> well, i think we've seen that from him in the past but the american people are going to see right through that because as i said before, 1.7 million jobs we lost after he passed his stimulus package putting his further into debt. and our small businesses, they just want regulatory reforms, get the government off their backs. >> no kidding. somebody who would like his job was on that stage out at the ronald reagan presidential library last night. >> right, what a great debate last night. >> well, what did you think because rick perry, it was his debut there at the debate. he came out, he did not back down. mitt romney very, very strong. newt gingrich had some zingers. what did you make of it? >> well, i think that we've -- we've got -- people are really getting into it now. it was a very good debate. one thing that i came away with that is clear that anyone on that stage would be a better president than barack obama. in terms of getting this economy going. and certainly, governor perry and governor romney with their experience, you know, governor romney in the private sector and as the governor of massachusetts and governor perry in texas, you know, they have records to talk about. about how they have created jobs. >> you'll have a lot of excitement coming to your state yes very soon in new hampshire. >> absolutely. they're all in new hampshire and we'll be vetting them very carefully. >> all right. senator kelly ayotte, always great to get your thoughts. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> a note to carl cameron, we need to send him out with a squegee. >> it's a little foggy. >> more stories and by the way, carl can do that. rudy giuliani is no longer in power. we allow squegee people in new hampshire. the man accused of murdering four people at a shooting rampage in a new york pharmacy set to plead guilty today. his name is david laffer and his wife both copping pleas. they allegedly stole thousands prescription painkillers to feed her addiction. >> the guard members are telling officers in carson city, nevada, telling them not to wear the uniforms off base. they say the mentally disturbed gunman was not targeting the military when he killed four people including three national guard soldiers before turning his ak-47 on himself. now, if you want to hear this disturbing 911 call, i want to warn you that you can hear the gunshots as we play it. >> and the soldiers who died, major heath kelly who served in iraq. sergeant first class miranda mckeling, i hope i'm saying that correct that served 14 years and sergeant first class christian reige who fought in afghanistan. also killed, 67-year-old florence gunderson. she was just eating breakfast with her husband there, a former marine who was also injured. pretty senseless. >> it is. meanwhile, it's one of the biggest tragedies in sports history. 43 members of a russian professional hockey league died in a plane crash near moscow. the private jet was not going fast enough when it took off. the pilot could have aborted the takeoff but kept on going much the plane hit a radio antenna and broke apart on the banks of the river. only two guys survived. both are in critical condition. among the dead are three former nhl players and brian they are? >> the team was headed into belarus for its season opener and evidently, this is an elite team in russia, too. >> no kidding. >> talk about nine lives. this kid is surviving an unbelievable journey through a recycling center in waterloo, iowa. he managed to dodge heavy machinery, whirling blades and even a crushing compact before an employee plucked him from a conveyor bell. like an episode of bugs bunny. jus a whisker away from death. an employee has adopted the kitten. he'll make sure to keep him away from the garbage. i love an animal story without a penguin. >> no kidding. he avoided a catastrophe. >> i got it. very quick. >> coming up on our show, a local political ad getting national attention. >> all you guys want a handout. i don't have something in it and now you're getting mad again. >> the candidate behind the ad will join us live. will he be stronger than goats or donkeys during his interview? maybe. >> stand by. what can we expect from the president tonight? the white house press secretary jay carney joins us live in a couple of minutes. stick around, folks. ( grunting ) >> welcome back, everyone. president obama was the big focus in last night's debate. >> we love america. america is in crisis. we have some differences between us. but we agree that this president hagoto go. this presideshis cry wor again and -- >> and joining me now,hite house pres secretary jay carney whose boss is the president of the united states. good morning to you, mr. carney. >> good morning to you, gretchen. thanks for having me. >> hot off the press right now from our white house correspondent ed henry, the legislation unveiled tonight by your boss will be asking for $400 billion in spending. it will be offset with cuts in spending but the president will not reveal what those cuts are tonight. instead, he's going to give another speech down the road? what can you tell us? >> well, look, first of all, ed who is a terrific reporter. i think that's -- i'm not going to confirm that number. i think it's more of a guess than a dead on price tag. what is important and you forgot to note is everything that the president will propose tonight in the american jobs act will be paid for. and the american people expect that. and they will demand it of congress. they will also demand that congress take action. right now to help the economy and create jobs. that's what the president is proposing. every idea in this plan, in this piece of legislation that we will drop next week in congress is something that has had traditionally bipartisan support. and so we're hoping that after their four to five week recess, members of congress will come back having heard from their constituents the same thing that the president heard from americans when he was in the midwest a few weeks ago that they're fed up with washington inaction, they want democrats and republicans to come together around sensible solutions to get the economy growing and creating jobs. >> right, one thing that might not have bipartisan support is an increase in taxes which no doubt the president will ask for tonight and an increase in spending. $400 billion. i mean, we >> shovel ready was not as shovel ready as we expected. $4 when he just admitted a few months ago, the first round didn't work? >> let's be clear, gretchen, i know you're focused on the price tag here that i'm not confirming. secondly, everything will be paid for and he will challenge congress to get it done. all right? the american people are so not interested in the partisan bickering. what every american out there can tell you there are roads and bridges in their counties, thei areas that need work. and there are construction workers in their communities who are out of work and need to be put back to work and guess what? the infrastructure fund that this president supports has broad bipartisan support and supported by the u.s.hamber of commerce, traditionally a very republican group and by labor, traditionally me of a democratic group. why can't congress come together under bipartisan ideas and get the job done now. >> we'll see if congress does rally around the president based on what he says tonight. let me ask you this. why go before the joint session of congress if you're going to say stuff that the american public has already heard time and time again in 10 to 12 speeches before. why say i'm going to go on vacation for a month and then i'm going to come back and give this grandiose speech and it's going to be the same exact thing that we heard. so please tell me what new talking points the american public is going to hear today. what new thing will the american public hear tight from your boss. >> the american public will hear a lot of new ideas. i want to correct you. the folks who want on a month long vacation weren't the president, it was the congress. secondly, the american people will hear a lot of new and innovative ideas that they haven't heard before. they will also hear very commonsense, sensible ideas like a payroll tax cut for every working american. >> we've already had that. >> that's not new. >> is that a bad thing? >> i'm sorry, is that a bad thing? >> no, did it create jobs? when i look at the june job report and the july job report and the august job report, i see dismal numbers. >> gretchen, i'm not sure if you've talked to any economists but there's not an economist. >> tons. >> who is -- whose ph.d. is worth the paper it's printed on that does not agree that when you cut the payroll tax, it has a direct impact on economic growth and jobs creation. if you're asking me if tre were other head winds that affected the economy like the tsunami in japan and the arab uprising that affected oil prices and the situation in europe, that's absolutely the case. >> mr. carney, with all due respect, we've heard all of those excuses before. what the american people want to hear tonight is something new because -- >> and they will, gretchen. >> can you give me just a little piece of what that new -- >> i'm not going to get ahead of my boss. i encourage you and your listeners to listen with an open mind to what the president says. and apparently, you've decided already that ideas that used to have broad bipartisan support shouldn't simply because they're proposed by this president. >> i haven't decided anything. i just was hoping that we might hear something new. let me ask you this -- speaking of bipartisanship, why did the president not want to take a meeting with the speaker of the house john boehner and congressman eric cantor ahead of this speech. it looked as if, unless we don't have the full story and you can enlighten us that they were trying to extend an olive branch to the president prespeech. why did he not take the meeting? >> finally, we appreciated the letter that speaker boehner and majority leader cantor sent that expressed willingness to cooperate on some of the very issues that the president is going to put forward tonight. we think that's a good thing and we think the american people demand it. this president has met with the leadership of the house and senate more often for longer in this -- the past several months than i think any president may have in history. the american people are glad they did that but they don't think another meeting around a table is going to solve their problems this country is facing. they want action! and look, the president going to work with congress, with members of both parties, of both houses going forward to try to get this done and grow the economy and create jobs. i would simplyote that nobody asked for and i'm sure when you had the speaker on, you didn't quiz him on why he didn't invite democrats and the president in when they were crafting legislation for their jobs plan, when they were crafting the ryan budget proposal. those proposals went forward. they were -- they were or they will be judged by congress, that's exactly what the president is going to do tonight. he will introduce legislation, the american jobs act but again, it's made up of proposals that should have broad bipartisan support, will certainly have broad bipartisan support out in the country and we hope congress will act now because we've got to take action to grow the economy and create jobs. >> that's one thing all americans can agree on that this speech will hopefully bring about action. the spokesperson for the president is jay carney, thanks so much for being our guest today. >> coming up next, we can't get enough of this campaign ad. >> what do you guys want? you nt a handout? i don't have something in it and now you're getting mad again. >> the man behind that ad joins us live and we're asking him about rick perry because he was his former boss. but first, it's september 8th. on this date in 1978, oh, my gosh, one my favorites, frankie valley has the number one song with "grease." 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[ dogs] bacon...bacon... con...bacon... >>retchen: top of the morning to you. it's thursday, september 8. i hope you're having a great day. i'gretchen carlson. rick perry making mission debate debut, and he's already on the attack, going after social security. >> it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 year old today, you're paying into a program that's going to be ther >> gretchen: so many people this morning are saying will comments like that potentially cost him? >> steve: and newt gingrich also talking tough, but he's after the media. >> i'm frankly not interested in your effort to get republicans fighting each other. >> steve: ng. watch out, the media and moderator were just the beginning. >> brian: soun like a children's book. a scare for reese witherspoon, hit by a car while jogging. the details straight ahead. "fox & friends" starts rht now. >> gretchen: good morning, everyone. hope you're going to have a great thursday and a lot of people were watching the debate last night and looking forward to potentially watching the president tonight d see what he's going to say about jobs, which was a hot topic in the debate. >> brian: 27 days since the iowa debate. maybe by the end of it, it will be like old hat. but it was great to see all eight together on the stage. it seemed more like two even though herman cain and john huntsmannd michelle bachman, as well as ron paul were pretty solid. >> steve: there they were at the ronald reagan library in california under air force 27,000, which used to be air force one, and you're absolutely right, brian, it was between two guys. in this corner, governor rick perry. in that corner, former governor mitt romney. the topic? bs. they went at each other. >> while he had a good private sector record, hisublic sector record did not match that. as a matter of fact, we created more jobs in theast three months in texas than he created in four years in massachusetts. >> texas is a great state. texas has zero income tax. texas has a right to work state, a republican legislature, a republican supreme court. texas has a lot of oil and gas in the ground. those are wonderful things. but governor perry doesn't believe he created those things. if he tried to say that, it would be like al gore saying he created the internet. >> michael dukakis created jobs faster than you did. >> as a matter of fact, george bush and his red saidors created jobs at a faster rate than you did. >> steve: what a great give and take. it's effective the way mitt romney made it clear that texas is no tax massachusetts. >> gretchen: another one of the more weird moments to some during the debate was when the topic of the death penalty came up and there was applause even before the candidate answered the question. it was to rick perry about texas. texas executes people when they commit crimes, like murder, capital murder. here was his answer. >> in the state of texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of texas and that is you will be executed. [ applause ] >> brian: i think there was a little controversy with that. everyone knows where he stood. as you said earlier, there was a question that brian williams didn't have to ask. the other candidates must be like how do you sleep at night? >> gretchen: it was the way he phrased it. it was how do you sleep at night. do you have trouble sleeping at night. >> steve: if you execute accidentally an innocent man. >> brian: of all the questions, i thought this was something we didn't have to hear. i thought it was interesting that rick perry, again, he's fighting fires, had to blow off the events on monday. first debate in four years. i think he looked confident. i think he looked sure of himself. but i couldn't get over the improvement in mitt romney. one man says he's improved like never before. >> steve: mitt romney seemed very presidential last night and mr. perry did not back down at all. even as you listen to this hot topic, which is social security, you can see that mr. perry is doubling down on his comments, that it is a ponzi scheme. >> it is a monstrous lie. it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you're paying into a program that will be there. anybody that's for the status quo with social security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids. >> under no circumstances would i ever say by any measure it's a failure. it is working for millions of americans and i'll keep it working for millions of americans. we've got to do that as a party. >> cannot keep the status quo in place and not call anything other than a ponzi scheme. it is. that is what it is. americans know that and regardless of what anyone says, oh, it's not, and that's provocative language, maybe it's time to have some provocative lang in this country and say things like, let's get america working again and do whatever it takes to make that happen. >> brian: karl rove called what his written word book that he wrote, his statements on social security toxic and he did nothing to walk it back. >> gretchen: karl rove and rick perry apparently don't like each other. so i take whatever they say about each other, it's a wash. >> brian: he's talking specifics. is it not toxic? >> gretchen: i think rick perry was defending what he wrote in his book and i was always taught even if you have an opinion that's not that popular, as long as you can defend it in a great way, then that's okay. many people have to make up their own minds whether or not they agree with rick perry. but it reminded me of paul ryan when he came out with his budget and so many people said, oh, don't tell us the nitty-gritty detail, they're too hard to take. okay. he said i know i'm going to be vindicated for this, but i have to tell you the truth. and those were his feelings. i think rick perry was similar in that way last night. >> brian: but paul ryan never said i'm going to destroy medicare and medicaid. he said this is somehow to save it. he explained it to us. if people want to overreact, it's up to them. but he's saying get rid of it. it never worked, it's a ponzi scheme. when all he had -- we can easily fix it and make it effective. >> steve: we wanted to hear -- him to be expansive on what he would do with it. in the meantime, newt gingrich was very effective a couple of times. he had had enough with the questions and turned it around at the questioner. listen to this. here he goes. >> the fact that president obama doesn't come to the reagan library to try to figure out how to create job, doesn't talk to any of these three governors to learn how to create jobs, doesn't talk to herman cain to learn how to create jobs tells us that this is a president so committed to class warfare and so committed to bureaucratic socialism that he can't possibly be effective in jobs. the fact is, every person up here understands obamacare is a disaster. i hope all of my friends up here are going to repudiate every effort of the news media to get republicans to fight each other to protect barak obama who deserves to be defeated and all of us are committed as a team, whoever the nominee is, we are all for defeating barak obama. i'm frankly not interested in your effort to get republicans fighting each other. >> steve: he did not take the bait. all right. who do you think won last night? e-mail us. in the meantime, in our nation's capitol, the president set to deliver his long anticipated jobs speech before a joint session of congress. but not every member of congress will be there. it won't be exactly a sold out show. >> gretchen: some republicans decided to skip the event and joining us is one of those republicans. south carolina senator jim demint. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning, gretchen. >> gretchen: i believe that you were one of the first to say, look, i don't care what the protocol is, i'm not going to be showing up. why? >> gretchen, i can't listen to another political speech from this president. if he had a jobs plan, it would be written down, he would send it over to us, you would have it. i would have it. we could be discussing it today. but that's not the way this president operates. he is going to give a speech and then dribble out what he is going to do. he's going to wait and see what his political advisors and the union bosses tell him to do. i'm just so frustrated, i can't sit through another of the president's speech. >> brian: do you worry about this being a precedent? for example, if the president is reelected or not in eight, ten or 12 years, someone not liking his stance on immigration or stance on health care and them sitting out, next thing you know you got an empty room? >> i've been to every one of his speeches and state of the unions. it's rare that what he says actually ends up in legislation. but he wants to control the media spin, so the republicans can't even respond intelligently to what he's going to say tonight 'cause he's not going to let us see it. yesterday it was a $300 billion plan. we woke up this morning, they said it was $400 billion. he did that through the debt limit debate. he said i might do this, i might do that. you can't work with someone like that, particularly a leader who will never put his ideas on the table so that they can be analyzed in an intelligent way. i just feel like i have to do something on behalf of the 60% of americans who think we're going in the wrong direction. the 70% who think we need to balance our budget. this president has been cramming things down our throats for three years now and i just think we can't keep going along with him calling us all in as children and giving us another pronouncement. >> steve: so you're expecting a lecture? >> well, it will be a lecture and again, i don't want to be disrespectful to the office or to the president personally, but this is a serious problem that needs to be dealt with in a way that's much more professional than another political speech. he's been meeting with unions all around the country the last few days, giving them bits and pieces of what he's going to do to get their votes. it's a very frustrating when you know that america is really hurting and frankly, i think we're on the edge of a cliff. we need some real, serious work to turn us away from that cliff. >> steve: well, we're going to find out what the president has to say, just 11 hours from now right here on the fox news channel. senator, we thank you for joining us today from the rotunda. >> thank you. >> brian: i believe the nfl pregame show will be on. so you'll have other things to watch being that he's not going. >> gretchen: in green bay, they're not going to show the president's speech. they're going to do the pregame show. let's do some of your headlines. pennsylvania dealing with deadly flash floods this morning. two men reportedly killed so far due to the rising waters. families are trapped in their homes and cars are submerged. people in northern and central areas of that state evacuating. highways closed, schools canceled and take a look at baltimore, maryland. several cars almost completely under water. some folks even had to be rescued. one firefighter was hurt during a rescue attempt, but he's now okay. former vice president dick cheney promoting his memoir at the nixon library in california interrupted not once, but twice by antiwar protesters. >> our candidates that are running -- >> gretchen: the protester escorted out. the audience happy to see them go. the president's daughter firing back. >> the next time one of those women stands up, we all ought to remind them that it is those men and women who wear our uniform who are fighting and dying for their right to speak and they ought to be standing up to thank them. >> gretchen: that's liz cheney there. that same group planning to demonstrate against president obama at a hollywood fund-raiser later this month. >> brian: proud dad, as you can see. >> gretchen: reese witherspoon on the mend. she was hit by a car while jogging near her home in santa monica, california. she was taken to the hospital, but had just minor injuries. luckily. the driver, an 84-year-old woman was cited for not ceiling to a pedestrian at a crosswalk. >> brian: that's the trouble in california 'cause when you get up to a crosswalk, you're supposed to walk and everyone is supposed to stop. 13 minutes after the hour. your e-mails and tweets are pouring in every thursday. when we have bob massi on talking about mortgages, so up next, bob massi talking about mortgages. >> steve: meanwhile, it's a seen out of a movie. looks like "run away bride." a man suing his ex fiance for fraud and deceit when their relationship crumbles. can you do that? 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[ baby cryg ] ben harper: ♪ what started as a whisper every day, millions of people choose to do the right thing ♪ slowly turned into a scream ♪ there's an insurance company that ds that, too. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? >> gretchen: 16 minutes after the hour. housing market numbers up for a third month in a row, but experts don't think we're in the clear just yet. in fact, some say it will take another 18 months for the markets to stabilize. real estate expert, bob massi, is answering your e-mails on this topic today. good morning to you. >> hi, gretchen. how are you doing. >> gretchen: just great. let's go out to fort lauder daily in florida. rob has this e-mail. you talked about lease option to buy. i am concerned about the nonrefundable option money. what if i don't qualify for a new loan? will i lose that money? also any other concerns you have? an open ended question for you, bob. >> for sure. the lease option we talked about, when you put money down, you basically are saying to the owner of the property they want to take it off the market. that's the deal with lease options. if you want to buy something and exercise an option to buy in two years, that money goes to that seller homeowner nonrefundable. the other concern i have is there are so many properties under water, when you exercise a lease option, what you decide to do that, it's going to be on present value at the time. if the house is under water, the question is going to be how is that seller homeowner ever going to be able to allow you to exercise the option? so you got to get good legal advice before you do it. >> gretchen: let's go to michigan. i'm so upset with these lenders and how they treat people. i tried for two years to get a loan modification with no success. they lose paperwork and talk to me like i've committed a crime. why don't they understand what we are going through as homeowners? do you have an answer? >> you're dealing on two different levels. the first level is you're dealing with the emotional part of what homeowners are going through and the second part of it really is the lenders really are -- really detached from what's going on in america because it's a numbers game for them. for the homeowners, it's an emotional game. the problem is that there has been a huge learning conserve. until the lenders get to understand what homeowners are going through and exercise a program that's going to work, all of us as homeowners will be going through this and then you're in trouble. >> gretchen: john from texas says this, bob, thank you for being a straight shooter. no pun intended. why are the lenders taking so long to make decisions on short sales? we had an offer to buy a home on a short sale six months ago. the sellers are upset and i am also. what can we do? >> the problem is that when you make an offer on a short sale, which basically you want to buy the house for less than what you owe, there is a lot of people that make offers on homes. there may be 30 offers coming in on one home to buy. so these lenders have to sift through the best deal that's there, usually a cash deal works, and that's why you lose a lot of the buyers because it takes so long for the lenders to make the decision, the buyers ultimately just walk away from the deal. that's the problem with the short sale process. >> gretchen: all right. so many people get help from you, bob. if you are out there and you want to send an e-mail, send them to us. what's your e-mail? >> my e-mail is robertmassey l t.d. at hotmail.com. >> gretchen: thanks, we'll see you next week. >> thanks. >> gretchen: who won last night's debate? perry or romney or somebody else? peter johnson, jr. says the two first ones i mentioned did. his reason why next. and they made the ultimate sacrifice to save others on 9-11. now they're being shut out of this sunday's memorial. you will hear from the brother of a fallen firefighter. 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>> and a lot of the economists and professors that studied is it said based upon the way we're going, it doesn't work. it is not dollar for dollar. the dollar that you and i put in today, or a 25 or 30-year-old, is not going to be the same dollar that hopefully we get back at the time we're due those moneys. so for both of them, firm, decisive statements. they stuck to their positions and i think it was refreshing for a lot of americans in a lot of ways in spite of the cultural anthropology and sociology questions that the nbc folks fod politico decided to come up with. strangers in a strange land. >> steve: it was nice to finally hear rick perry at a debate. let's see if the poll positions change. nice to see you. we are just minutes away from the new weekly jobless numbers. what will they mean for president obama's speech tonight? eric policy be is here in about two minutes. it's like a scene out of a movie. remember "run away bride"? a man suing his ex-fiance for deceit and fraud when their relationship crumbles. can you do that. brian not running from these ladies. he's letting them direct the show. that's right. the victoria secret angels are live in our control room and brian is following them around. ♪ there's anotheway to minimize litter box odor: purina tidy cats. our premium litters now work harder to help neutralize odors in multiple cat homes. purina tidy cats. keep your home smelling like home. carol. fiber makes me sad. oh common. and how can you talk to me about fiber while you are eating a candy bar? 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>> i guess he's going to use the bad numbers to help get more stimulus when the other trillion or two trillion they've thrown at the economy, at the jobs market didn't work anyway. so do more of the same, i guess it will be more of the same. there are so many other ways to go at it to stimulate jobs. throwing money isn't it. we talked about the repatriation idea. zero tax, every company is going to bring it back if they can, and then escrow, 25% of it. that would be millions. >> gretchen: who would be against that? >> i float this to every democrat, every gop, everyone likes it. i've got congress people writing on congressional letterhead, this is a great idea. we should do it. i just don't understand why they don't. just take it. somebody take it and do it. >> brian: part of the president's address should say we should extend unemployment benefits past 99 weeks. people are also pointing to this georgia works program where they match unemployed people with employers and they get retrained while they're getting unemployment benefits and the hope is that they'll be a match and you'll have a trained employee that gets hired after. that seems like something that is -- >> the problem is the far left says it's unconstitutional. they're fighting georgia's program and saying, don't do it on a national scale if it's illegal or unconstitutional. on a state level, why would you bring it to everyone? what they're saying basically is that that would enable employers to underpay workers. of course, the left pushes back. but it happens to be working in georgia. >> steve: let's talk about last night's debate. >> great debate (it was a great debate. you got to see everybody you're interested in. one of the things mr. perry was talking about was that social security is a ponzi scheme. he didn't back down. he said this last night. >> it is a ponzi scheme. to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you're paying into a program that will be there. anybody that's for the status quo with social security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids and it's not right. >> steve: mitt romney disagreed. what do you think? >> you can't disagree that it is a ponzi -- it is a ponzi scheme. what they've done is they've taxed people now. they're going to pay people down the road. the problem is they've run out of money. they've also raided the trust fund. there is supposed to be $2.3 trillion in the fund. what are in there are a bunch of treasury notes. they say we're going to use this money right now. that part is not really a ponzi scheme. if that were a ponsy scheme, all of government is a ponzi scheme. but this is easily fixable. >> brian: all the entitlements, this is easy? >> and the most solvent, it's the one ma makes the most sense. all they have to do is raise the retirement age. scale into a 69 year retirement age. when fdr signed social security into law, life expectancy was 67 years old -- i'm sorry. 64 years old. and social security kicked in one year beyond life expectancy. now it kicks in 13 years before. we're expected to live to 70 years. gretchen is going to live longer than all three of us. female life expectancy is 80. ours is 75. >> brian: she's stress free. >> gretchen: yes. and bruised frequently. but oh, yeah. my husband would totally agree i'm stress free. and the rest of my family. yeah. okay. thanks very much. >> see you on the five. >> steve: great show. >> gretchen: now to your other headlines. firefighters are slowly gaining ground against the devastating wildfires going on in bastrop, texas. right now the fire is about 30% contained. but for some, it's too little, too late. this fire has killed two people and destroyed nearly 800 homes. right now officials are trying to use a special plane to dump fire retardant on those planes. the problem is they haven't been able to find a qualified pilot. that seems preposterous, but it's apparently true. >> brian: it's one of the biggest tragedies in sports history. 43 members of an elite russian professional hockey team died in a plane crash near moscow. the jet wasn't going fast enough. the pilot could have aborted, but kept going. it hit a radio antenna, broke a part of the river. only two men survived. both in critical condition. among the dead are three former nhl players. the team headed to belarus for its season opener. >> steve: meanwhile, the heros of september 11 not invited for this weekend's tenth anniversary commemoration at ground zero. we spoke earlier with the brother of firefighter william burke who died in the world trade center. >> we have not gotten any explanation. i don't think the firefighters have gotten any explanation. not that i'm aware of. they wouldn't ask for any. that's who they are. they're asked to go, they're called to duty. they go. but they're not going to raise a fuss. they're not going to complain. that's who they are. >> steve: he's talking about the first responders not invited. new york city mayor michael bloomberg cites a lack of space and security concerns. come on. you could have gotten a bigger space. >> brian: 22 minutes before the top of the hour. you're looking live or about to, at nasa's grail spacecraft set to launch to the moon aboard a delta two rocket from cape canaveral, florida. there are two launches. the mission to put two spacecraft into orbit around the moon at the same time and find out once and for all, is there a man there? >> steve: the man in the moon? >> brian: we're trying to find out. >> gretchen: okay. from i do to i sue, a california man bringing his ex-fiance to court demanding she give back all the gifts he gave her, including a $52,000 engagement ring. the man suing his ex for fraud and deceit and says it's only fair since she broke off the engagement. where is the picture of that ring? we had it earlier. >> brian: it's black and white. it was so disappointing. >> gretchen: i thought we were going to come up with the color version. >> brian: right. i left my colored pencils at home. >> steve: straight ahead, coming up, they were the symbol of hope during america's darkest days. so why are the world trade center crosses under attack? the executive producer of the film about those crosses joins us next. stay with us. >> brian: then here is a creative idea to keep the media away. casey anthony set to become a mexican citizen. >> gretchen: and they're used to being in front of the cameras. not today. 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"fox & friends" being touched by some victoria secret angels this morning. aaron, we refer to it as hot. the camera is hot right now. doing a good job. very nice. these are both victoria secret angels. meanwhile, let's check in with martha mccallum who is joining us right now. listen, hemmer called, he wants to know if camera girls are available to do your show in 12 minutes? >> that isn't nice! i got to follow those angels. all right. thank you very much, steve doocy, for that lovely introduction. bill hemmer and i, i will be here, we've got a big show coming up. we'll talk about who the real winner was last night in the gop race and it may not be who you think it was. and then the president has his work carved out for him tonight. we have seen this jobs number, we're getting new information and now on how much his plan will cost and where they really are likely to get that money from. very interesting coming up right here. we'll see you, me, and bill, top of the hour. ♪ okay, so who ordered the cereal that can help lower cholesterol and who ordered the yummy cereal? yummy. that's yours. lower cholesterol. lower cholesterol. i'm yummy. lower cholesterol. i got that wrong didn't i? 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[ crunching, sipping ] be happy. be healthy. can i try yours? >> gretchen: welcome back. what you been waiting for, straight off the runway and into our studios. the lovely ladies of victoria's secrets are here it tell us how they're kicking off fashion week in new york city. >> steve: is say hello to models lily and erin. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> steve: so you join us today because tonight you got a special event where people, the great public of america can show up at your soho store and get a photograph with a real life victoria secret angel. right? >> yes. four of us. a lot of angels there. >> steve: all right. >> gretchen: will you have the angel garb on? >> no, we'll just have some beautiful dresses on. >> gretchen: i'm thinking about the past shows. >> we have no links tonight. but -- >> they're beautiful lingerie in the store. >> brian: i know when you go into the military, there is a bond, even if you're all from different parts of the world. is there a bond, like a band of female brothers that gets together? >> steve: a sorority? >> brian: is there something about a victoria secret model where you always watch out for each other? >> as i mazing? >> yeah. >> steve: what's that like? >> we keep it kind of in the house. >> brian: you can't tell us? it's a secret society! >> there is a lot of practical joking going on. we all have stories. >> steve: there really is hazing when a new girl joins the team? >> uh-huh. >> steve: one little tidbit? >> one little tidbit of hazing. >> gretchen: that's legal. >> we're all best friends. >> like, for example, one time a girl was -- we were shooting a shoot and the photographer decided to play a practical joke and tell her to go -- he was going to shoot her walking up in the distance in a long shot. and she walked off and she kept walking and he's like, oh, keep going, keep going. she kept walking down the beach posing, looking all good. then she gets to the end and she's kind of like, okay, and turns around and everyone had left. [ laughter ] >> brian: that's great. >> gretchen: that's a legal haze. >> i had something like that happen to me. it was not so funny. >> gretchen: how old are the two of you? >> i'm 25. >> i'm 22. >> gretchen: wow. so young. and you were discovered in your teenage years, right? >> uh-huh. >> gretchen: that's when it all happens. if you're going to be a model, it happens early on, right? >> yeah. that's not always the case. >> gretchen: what would you have been otherwise? >> i thought i would be a soccer player. >> brian: really? this is a fall back? >> in my lingerie. >> brian: what do you think you would have been? >> i wanted to be a veterinarian. i did science fair and i wanted to study medicine. i was busy university, my first college campus visit. >> steve: what about the camera job? >> brian: you adapted to that wonderfully. >> you think so? i was out of focus. >> steve: i like the way that frankie, our director, was actually telling you over the head set, hey, focus, camera 5. >> my eyes are bad. >> steve: camera 5, are threw? hello? >> brian: i always read magazines to find out what you people think of. >> steve: vogue is his middle name. >> brian: is it true that attractive women like yourselves have trouble getting dates because people are intimidated to talk to you? >> well, to be honest, i never had a boyfriend in high school. i never went to a dance. i never got asked out, nothing. >> me either. >> brian: and then? >> then when i got out of high school, people started asking me out. >> brian: wow. do you have the same struggles, erin? >> yeah. i was also really tall for my age. i'm 5' 11, so when i was in middle school and stuff, most boys were shorter than me. >> steve: have you met ed behind camera 3. >> brian: get over here. >> i know i can see you over the camera. at 5' 3, i don't feel sorry for either one of you. i've just got to say that. >> gretchen: good luck with your event. >> from 7:00 o'clock to 10:00 o'clock, we'll be taking pictures. limited edition t-shirt. >> gretchen: more "fox & friends," two minutes away. 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