Foreign aid in general particularly in that neck of the woods a lot of people say the president is getting into tricky territory, here what do you think . Charles this is a eureka moment , right . Should we fund people that hiatus that befriend our enemies or harbor enemies and this is on american soil. Yeah. Charles we should consider it. Neil thats what weve been doing for a long time. Charles put it to americans who need it. I think its a great idea whose time is long overdue. I think its come about time. Neil we give pakistan billions over the years . 7 billion in last 13 years. Neil what do you think . Im completely with rand paul its a very libertarian idea. I think we should be reexamining the Foreign Direct Investment we have all over the world. I mean i think we should be closing a lot of these military bases and we should be questioning some of the wars that were still in and the trillions of dollars weve put into the middle east that has gotten us pretty close to into ing. Neil my question was really about pakistan. Pakistan is the anchor holding the middle east together including afghanistan and thats a war weve been fighting for 15 years. Neil you seem a little sensitive. Im a little sensitive. Neil ben stein what do you make of this back and forth about foreign aid always out there, rand paul says good idea to take some of it start using it on people here. Ben i think we spend that money on foreign aid in order to help the United States of america and i think we fight those wars on foreign soil to keep those people occupied so they pes re not fighting and bombing us here. I think the idea of saying we should Close Military bases that are used to protect the United States just makes no sense at all. We have plenty of money we can spend it to defend ourselves and if those bases happen to be in countries not particularly friendly to us then all the better for us so we have bases close to places potentially dangerous so its the idea of cutting back on military aid and military forces overseas this makes no sense, just brings the enemy closerment. They are here. Maybe here more. Ben many more would be here. Neil but how did it get to the point where so much money is going. Well how much is it i looked it up and did a quick google. Charles more on that. It depends. Okay i did a quick google so neil you did research . Charles [laughter] im kidding. Take it and its prepared for your show. [laughter] no but lets be real clear its a drop in the bucket compared to federal expenditures for all sorts of welfare and everything else. But that too. And i agree here is what youre missing this money is essentially bribery. We do have access to certain levels of government in pakistan we do have access to places where we give this money which is a drop in the bucket and it does help us geopolitically. Make no mistake. Neil we arent getting much out of this. Were buying rent in pakistan ben we dont know what were getting. Neil adam what do you think adam . Adam well, i agree essentially with charlie and with ben. I think neil i am so out of here. [laughter] adam it is, well its childish to just say were not going to spend miss money any more because youre being mean to us. We have goals and one of our neil but harboring people who kill us is more than being mean to us. Harboring bin laden. Adam i know, but ben we dont know what would happen if we didnt. Neil adam sorry were jumping on you. Adam i think it would be very dangerous for us to just say okay do you know what . We dont like this role of being a global any more because were just not going to do it any more we do. I mean its reasonable we do need to spend money on things at home. Thats true but if we take this step, theres no going back easily losing our influence that we have right now. Charles you know its just a shame. Its not being childish adam. Its being reasonable. Its being smart. We have people in this country who are freezing at this very moment. They have no heat at home. Okay how about growing our economy and by the way its not a drop in the bucket. A billion here, another billion there, every week you come on the show saying we should raise taxes so how wealthy are we . How wealthy is america . Ben but we do have to raise taxes. Charles i just dont get the notion of this kind of money the return on investment a term we all understand very well on this show just doesnt seem like it. And if we are so rich than why are we 20 trillion in debt . If we are so rich if we have so much money why are we borrowing money to fund our entitlements and our defense. Ben kennedy thats not foreign aid. Then if we dont have that kind of money we have to borrow it from the chinese . We shouldnt be loaning it to everyone else. Kennedy. Kill all the foreign aid and guess what . The deficit wont change that much i guarantee it. Neil ben she does raise a very good point about how far is far. You can make the argument is it a drop in the bucket but to Charles Paynes point you add them up its a lot of drops in a bucket and we dont do it because its the way its always been done and we extract favors and god knows what things would be like if we didnt do it, but is it time and is it so out land ish for this president to step back and say wait a minute im going to redefine what it takes to have constructive foreign aid versus destructive aid. Ben ice o raisism has been a catastrophe for the United States every time weve tried it it is a drop in the bucket compared to the federal money. Neil but how is giving 30 million towards pakistan a step towards isolationism . Ben because pack pakistan although theyre not nice people its better than having them as enemies. It is bribery. If thats all youre doing in that part of the world. Ben bribery is not a bad thing. Charles the problem though is its not working. Neil go ahead adam. Adam first of all, bribery is one word, hush money, influence money Walking Around money call it any of those things. The homeland has been largely secured for a very long time under this order. The way weve been doing things. Neil i think it is a good idea to say are we doing it correctly i think the president is appropriate to say lets look at how were spending it. I think generally were spending it well and we should keep that. How do we know its not working. We dont know what the alternative would be. Usually ben is right. Historically, isolationism has been a horrible thing. Neil Charles Payne is not saying that. One thing to look at the Balance Sheet and say okay we give them and lets talk to them to try to get a better deal. Its another thing to say lets pull our money out of there. Neil i dont think you listened to charles. Charles pakistan is taking the money and theyve done everything they can to not help us. I mean are you sure about that . Charles im sure. Charles if pakistan was there. Absolutely 100 true. Pakistan is the key to it. Weve not figured out what were doing in afghanistan and the war has been going on too long by bens rationale, we would be with iran at this point if we wanted to have greater influence in the region. Ben kennedy thats not going to end the war its like saying we should give up the war against germany. If we leave afghanistan . By the way suppose pakistan was our enemy. They are not. Not saying theyre great people. Ben theyre not at all. Neil well, all i know is it started around 230240 million its up now to close to a billion, 900 million id still argue we got a lot further to go thats a drop in the bucket for warren buffet. When people are building schools and bridges in this country as opposed to other countries this is what theyre talking about. Ben we could do both. No reason. We could do both we wouldnt be 20 trillion in debt. Neil i wish we had more time unfortunately we do not and i think you save time by talking over one another which i think is a good goal. By the way you should try it. Charles [laughter] neil meanwhile forget sanctuary cities now Illegal Immigrants have their first sanctuary state and the acting ice director aint too happy about it. California bert hold on tight theyre about to see a lot more special agents a lot more deportation officers in the state of california. If the politicians in california dont want to protect their communities then ice will. 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We got to work with the department of justice and needs to do a couple things number one they need to file charges against the sanctuary cities and number two hold back through funding and another thing they need to do is hold these politicians personally accountable. I mean, more citizens are going to die because these policies and these politicians cant make these decisions and be held unaccountable for people dying. I mean, we need to hold these politicians accountable for their actions. Neil all right, not a very happy acting ice director that interview that create created some buzz because he does not like what hes seen in california where they e essentially made the entire state a sanctuary state and says it sends a bad signal and makes it tougher for him to do his job and catch the bad guys. Ben what do you think . Ben i think that this is essentially a rebellion by the state of california and very much like the beginning of civil war except the state of california firing on fort sumter we have these legal challenges by california saying we can over ride the constitution of the United States and declare ourselves basically a sovreign country independent of what the constitution says about who controls immigration. I think it is very very close to the beginning of a civil war. I hope its not, just with litigation but something close to a civil war. Neil adam what do you think . Adam i think this is far more of a political situation and while the acting ice director is 100 right in everything that he said hes within his rights to do what he suggested he do, the administration ought to think twice about being so antagonistic to the largest, to the richest to the post populous state in the union. This is a political conversation that needs to happen between washington and california. Neil charles . Charles i do think its funny you dont think pakistan should think twice but california should think twice, but having said that, you know im generally a space rights person but i think theres things like the civil rights issues in the 1960s where the federal government has to step in and this is enough of an issue where peoples safety and economics play such a role that i just think its wrong. Neil but what specifically is wrong . Charles the sanctuary cities and the economic strain even no matter how rich california is and also the safety issues i think override the states rights they presume to have here neil all right, so Charlie Gasparino then, the acting ice director wants to follow scary guy. Neil oh, yeah you dont want to mess with him. Theres a few people i would not mess with. Neil but now he comes in and he wants to get into California City or town where theyre harboring a fugitive and suspect illegal alien and that opens up a pandoras box and would like to sue and take action but he cant because the state is protecting those illegals. Its a real, you know legal limbo. I think charles is right and its a subject weve talked about on the show in the past. Theres certain things the federal government is supposed to do. Protecting our borders keeping criminals out of the country is one of them and you know, for a state to sort of disa vow that, that right is a cans kin had to were going to get a ton of nasty comments, media matters but its almost like George Wallace standing in front of the door of the school. Ben exactly. Neil and thats kind of what you like en it to. Kennedy what do you think of that . I think that i agree with adam in that this is so incredibly politicized that its no longer about practical policy or irrational thinking. Neil but does the state have a legal right to protect illegals . The federal government has to craft its own immigration policy i think our federal government has failed and both parties have failed. Neil taking over that responsibility and the federal government wants to crack down on it. Theres so much confusion that the federal government has allowed states to politically profit off of that and thats exactly what theyre doing. The federal government has to get together and they have to say that this is our rulebook these are the rules this is whats happening from now on. They havent been doing that. Neil so lets say its a National Guard like it was during the racial riot comes into i dont know San Francisco and you have a standoff. Ben arrest jerry brown. Arrest jerry brown. Neil is that a possibility . Charles payne . Charles youd hope i would hope that maybe they bo work this up to the Supreme Court and get it adjudicated with that. You withhold aid but ben is a lawyer. Explain it. Does the state have a right to impose ben of course not. Of course not. Under the constitution, this is clearly a federal responsibility and i dont think that extremely scary looking man [laughter] ben and sacramento and arresting jerry brown and putting him in leg irons. Id like to see that for very different reasons. Neil well look at that. Well see in the meantime President Trump is taking to kim jongun over twitter and now Mainstream Media is taking the president ongoing so far as to question the guys sanity and dont get me started on the Nuclear Button thing, after this mayhem . What are you doing up there . Im a lightning rod. Waiting to protect your home from a lightning strike. Its my new years resolution. Whatever. Can you get my plane . Yeah, i dont do planes. I just do lightning. Neil critics Going Nuclear over the president s Nuclear Button tweet but are some in the media taking it way too far plus if you missed out on this milestone dont worry our guys have the picks ready to make you Companies Need medicated and hospitalized at this point or he is going to just kill all of us. This is dangerous this is childish this is unpresident ial. Its not befitting to the leader of the free world. Hes not merely being cavalier with a threat about nuclear war. Hes being cavalier in a way that makes him seem de meanted. Neil and we were not talking about gasparino. [laughter] neil critics Going Nuclear over the president s Nuclear Button tweet but suggesting he be hospitalized kennedy come on. No, joy heart is just trying to get a little bit of attention bless her heart. Oh, sweetness shes trying to breakthrough the static and shes done it because were talking about her that that has with the help of this Michael Wolff become book becomes a new narrative that the president is mentally incapacitated he has to be removed from office. Neil ben . Ben shocking irresponsible, slander, insane on the part of the people calling it the idea of the women on the view calling donald trump insane is just so crazy i cant even stand it. Trump is a wacky guy. Hes a strange, funny guy but the idea of calling him insane just doesnt make any sense. This is a man whose been wildly successful in business and politics the idea to think hes mentally incapacitated just makes no sense at all. Neil adam i think what prompted the Nuclear Button comment which just seemed to say its one thing for the leader of north korea to talk that way another thing for the president to talk that way, you say . Adam i totally agree with that. I think people who are not psychiatrists should stay away from making psychiatric pronouncements but i think our president should behave in a far more dignified way. Neil by the way i dont psychiatrists should do it either without visiting said patient. Adam thats correct. Ben absolutely right. Neil gasparino . No psychiatrist would do it. So thats why this is outrageous but the president has somewhat responsibility here. He says crazy stuff. I mean, im not saying hes crazy he says it and he should stop. He should stop. Neil Charles Payne what do you think . Charles i think the critics are getting too personal and i think its creating a dangerous situation for everybody. Neil kennedy does he push his own buttons though doing it . Absolutely and the point was made the other day that he actually had a good tweet earlier on when he talked about the sanctions working well against north korea but then he responded kim jongun in sort of undercut his initial message which was more in line with nikki haley and rex tillerson. Neil which is what you are. What did he call steve bannon now he doesnt like him . Sloppy steve. Neil well i want to thank you charlie, kennedy very very much in the meantime its the energizer market really just keeps going and going. Topping 25,000, could get 30,000 how does this go and what do you invest into keep it going after this. only tena intimates has Proskin Technology designed to quickly wick away moisture to help maintain your skins natural balance. For a free sample call 1877gettena. You can feel safee for only 49. 00. That includes security panel, keypad, key fob, entry and motion sensors and for a limited time, get a camera included and installed at no additional cost. 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