Neil ill fill you in. Charles payne on this and the owners kind of between a rock and hard place here. Charles no pun intended, but they punted. Neil i see where youre going. Charles i thought they hired this guy to be the tough guy to take the fall for the owners to go out there and be a public face and say and do things that collectively they didnt want to do in public instead, Roger Goodell listen, the good news is that ill feats like the way he kept talking about only six or four players maybe it will fade back to what it was originally through attrition but they made a huge mistake the fans have already voted on this through watching television and also some who come to the game with empty seats they dont like it. Protest anywhere else except during the National Anthem. Neil where is this going to go kennedy because most players honor that and stand for the National Anthem but the few dont it will have an impact. No and goodell said some articulated really important points and my question is why now because criminal justice has been in the toilet for a long time with a lot of disparity and sentencing and mandator minimums and bail amounts and all sorts of stuff for generations, and theyve had a lot of time and it just seems convenient that Colin Kaepernick was the in to pus so you have to make sure if you are the players this isnt just an empty gesture but now you move on to something else. Move on to action go and meet law enforcement, bring together kids from inner cities with Police Officers so they can find some Common Ground and learn to trust people that are trying to keep the peace in their communities. Neil adam, i imagine they had these the obvious stuff where the owners tell them here is the revenue sharing deal. Here is the ratings deal. The ratings are down, revenue sharing thing for you guys is going to be down. We dont know what else to tell you, but that apparently didnt work so what do you think of it . Adam theres multiple reasons why ratings might be down including that the public is turning off a little bit on football with this concussion issue and what have you and cord cutting i mean broadcast television this is a problem in general. I think goodell was between a rock and a hard place and he made the best of a very difficult situation. I dont disagree with anything kennedy said. That would be great if we can move on but he didnt, he couldnt be in a position of restricting the free speech of these players. I think by the way they will move on. They will find other voices for this sort of protest then the National Anthem. Neil ben stein . Ben these guys are a bunch of big babies. They dont know what theyre talking about, theres no institutional racism within america at all any more. If they want to deal with the free speech god bless them let them do their free speech thing but lets ignore them from then on and ignore them like theyre bad babies and we dont want to hear them crying off in the corner. Yes theres racism, yes adam theres racism i agree. Adam thats not my point. Of course there is. Ben but theres no institutional racism in america any more. Its gone. Garnished. Neil Charles Payne is that the case . Charles i think racism is still a big issue to be quite frank with you but i disagree with adam the idea that this somehow during your job at any moment during the course of your job you can protest. Management has the ability and the right to say that theres a certain window youre allowed to do these sort of things so its not were impinging on anyones First Amendment rights and kennedy is right if they had articulated this message i think the public would have been more receptive and in fact the public will be very receptive three didnt do it during the National Anthem. Neil kennedy the bottom line is that weve seen the fall in ratings and i agree. I dont think its exclusively driven by this its not helping the matter but i dont know how they could put all of this back and i guess they start maybe tomorrow, well get an indication this weekend with the games and all but there will always be a stubborn few and Prominent Players who not to go along with what their owners are saying they should do. I understand but they dont have credibility if they dont move the discussion forward. If thats all theyre doing, is their time neil lets say they continue to do what they do and they kneel and or sit. Go to capitol hill meet with their lawmakers. Talk about specific legislation and things like that and you know i understand that Roger Goodell feels like hes being squeezed here but at some point, you know its a lot of empty talk from him if hes talking about the ability for the league to unify players and fans and people from all different backgrounds. If thats real, then find a way to do that because what hes demonstrating and saying thats not doing that right. Ben what are they complaining about . What specifically are they complaining about . Thats not the point ben but thats not the point. If they had a complaint, they have a complaint and thats whats at issue here. These guys are entertainers to begin with. Theyre celebrities and they can take advantage of that if they choose to and i agree that it would be better if they didnt do it during the National Anthem this might hurt them but thats their choice. Thats their decision. Neil you dont think theyve weighed the financial impacts of that decision . Ben its their decision but up to us the viewers and citizens of the United States to say its a lot of bs and crap. Its that the freeest country in the world and the progress of the African American is made in terms of opportunity has been breath taking. Youre a young man, adam. I can remember drinking where i grew up. Youre a young man you dont remember that. I remember the progress has been made is overwhelming and i think we should be grateful for it. When i see the marines who fought, fighting giving up their lives to raise the American Flag and then i think of these guys kneeling to disrespect the flag it makes me want to van meegren us. Charles to bens point listen, when you have someone making 25 million a year, crying about injustice, income inequality of racism its going to fall on deaf ears to the person making 50,000 a year and the only one thing they have is that football game. Now, weve made amazing progress and im the first one i always say lets celebrate that lets not refight the wars we won yesterday as a nation weve got enough issues looking forward including improving race and relations even more. Im not sure this is hurt doing it i think its actually hurting it. Neil guys i want to thank you all. Were going to look now at the dow and the dow celebration on part of the president he points to it almost every time he can. Now its good reason to because its been the financial window at his back. What happens when that reverses . After this. Today on forbes on fox, the new forbes list of the richest americans is out and someone here says this proves we cant tax our way out of debt. Plus u. S. Backed forces kicking isis out of the stronghold of syria and this proof is beefing up our military is paying off. We debate it at the top of the hour. It really scared him out of the markets. His advisor ran the numbers and showed that he wouldnt be able to retire until he was 68. The client realized, i need to get back into the markets i need to get back on track with my plan. The Financial Advisor was able to work with this client. Hes now on track to retire when hes 65. Having someone coach you through it is really the value of a Financial Advisor. Live from americas news headquarters in washington. Good saturday morning a deadly day in egypt at least 55 policemen have been killed in a shootout during a radon a militant hide out. Officials say this number could go up it was one of the largest death tolls since islamic militants began targeting Government Forces back in 2013. No militant group has yet claimed responsibility for this tax. And apple fans bracing for a potential shortage of the hotly anticipated iphone x. Analysts predicting the tech giant may only have two two to 3 Million Units ready for the iphones release next month, for comparison the iphone 6 s sold 13 Million Units in its first weekend the anticipated shortage is due to production delays with the phones flexible circuit board. Now back to cavuto on business. President trump the stock market hit today 23,000. I think were hitting another new high today because this tremendous optimism having to do with business in our country. Just in the stock market alone, we have increased our economic worth by 5. 2 trillion. Thats right, since election though. 5. 2 trillion. Neil well President Trump certainly loving this market run up but what happens if it comes crashing down like it did i dont know, 30 years ago this week any of you remember that . Well i do. There werent exactly people pulling themselves off buildings but there were a near Record Number of people gathering outside the New York Stock Exchange today to sort of witness history in the making and the opportunity to see the incredible drops in the dow right before their eyes. I want to see what it looks like when its in this condition and then i want to see the stock market anyway. We want to see a piece of the action i guess at wall street. What they saw was program selling taken to the ultimate artform, as wall streets very biggest players stepped in and unloaded multi billion dollar blocks of shares. Much of it fueled by mutual fund s, hard hit by individuals pulling their money out. City and market analysts are refusing to even mention that word crash to describe whats going on right now. Instead they like to look at it as a correction that works itself out but what they dont know and in fact readily worry about is how far down that correction has to go, how long it will take and exactly how many more people will be hurt in the process before the market does decide if it decides to turnaround. Neil you know the killer of that only two weeks later id completed puberty it. [laughter] neil where the heck, what the . All right, but i did have a better back then so kennedy, my hair notwithstanding that time period. You had great hair, enviable. Neil but it is interesting markets can go down, they can crash. Ronald reagan im told was always very leary of getting himself close to the markets up or down and he had to be dragging kicking and screaming to walk the floor of the New York Stock Exchange because he felt that spooky affinity that would be he would always be tied with the market. It still did very well under his eight years but what did he make of that and the fact that the president should be going slow on this . Well i think we have to be very careful to give the president too much credit because he will also have to take the blame if the market does in fact correct itself. If we are in the middle of some sort of a massive bubble, that could be neil even if he gets the tax cuts through and the market still corrects or falls youre saying he would have to be careful . Oh, that would be a doosey, wouldnt it . The hallmarks of his agenda passed by this lazy bloated do Nothing Congress and we saw the economy setup for Great Success but the market still crashed. How would he explain that . How do you explain that when you run again in 2020. Oh, he will find a way. Neil now see youre such a jaded cynical young man. Oh, im sorry neil. Neil you were building legos i was following capitalism. I remember. Neil okay you remember my foot. All right, Charles Payne im looking at this and wondering should the president be careful with this . Now, i understand why because certainly many in the Mainstream Media who dont say a good word about him oftentimes he gives them amunition so he points it out again and again, but it could boomerang, right . Charles its hard not to believe in the next four years or eight year term he wont have a major pullback direction to deal with. Neil how about a bare market charles even a bare market is possible but i do believe he should talk about some of the drivers of this stock market. Give you an example over the last three months wall streets earnings consensus on caterpillar has gone up 24 . In other words the wheels of the economy are already moving and id love to hear him continue to talk about what were already seeing in manufacturing, what were already seeing in certain industries, the needle has moved and thats one of the reasons the markets moving. Neil do you buy this correlation, ben stein, between whats happening on wall street and whats happening in washington . Ben i buy the fact that businesses optimistic again. I give a lot of speeches to businessmen and they say they feel the shackles have been removed as if nobody is stepping on their oxygen tube any more while theyre in the operating room, as if the skies are blue and they cant point to anything specific except no more big drastic regulations. They just point to the fact that coming out of washington, the breeze is at their back and not blowing them in the face any more and that is a huge huge thing. The Business Community of america is the main engine of growth in america, its not as warren said people building a highway or driveway or bridge. It is a Business Community and when they start feeling optimistic, that means everything out of mr. Trump has something to do with that which i think he did. He deserves a lot of credit. Neil so adam why dont democrats run with that with him right and say this is all of us. Adam the fact is we had a multiyear expansion economic expansion and a multiyear stock market run up under president obama. Thats also a fact, so and even if everything which is what . Charles the reason democrat s dont like to talk about the stock market because they say its a reflection of only rich americans. Its not a reflection of Economic Growth or job growth and thats why obama never talked about a great market. Neil yeah what he said. By the way charles they may be right about that. I mean what i just said the stock market was up. The economy was up and people didnt care they were still upset about the way it is. Neil who do you give the credit to that to for that because of course we were coming off a horrific level of meltdown , i mean, we were bound to go up from there but i mean, who do you give the credit to . It had really bottomed out. Its pretty miraculous considering that businesses couldnt borrow money to get started, yet still people found a way. I give credit to individuals who hold the marketplace and they try and fill them and oftentimes with blood, sweat and tears because they cant get capital they certainly werent able to get help from the federal government and gdp growth was anemic so i dont want to hear liberals selectively talking about this because neil do you give President Trump any credit . I give credit to the fact some of his poll thinks may truly benefit the economy. Well the regulation cuts are working. I dont think theres a direct cause and effect between the president and magical super powers and wall street. Neil youre not giving the president credit . Theres correlation. Neil all right, washington is finally working together on healthcare but is this bipartisanship deal only going to bail out insurers on the back of taxpayers that cant be good, right . Neil republicans and democrats working together on a healthcare bill but will this act of bipartisanship mean a bail out for Insurance Plus the stocks that make you money no matter which way the markets go. Youre being audited. Now what . Well, after your first reaction, consider your choices. Go it alone, against the irs and its massive resources. Hire a law firm, where youre not a priority. Call your cpa, who can be required to testify against you. Or, call the tax law firm of moskowitz, llp. I went from being a cpa to a tax attorney because our clients needed more. Call us, and let us put our 30 years of tax experience to work for you. Neil were told that washington is finally coming together on a healthcare deal but it may not be the one the taxpayers are hoping for or looking for and that we get mixed reads from the president so supporters say continues obamacare subsidies to help protect the Healthcare Industry so on that level o loan it could be problematic but are we advancing the wall . What do you think . No were not advancing the ball if were still propping up companies. It is a gross form of corporate welfare. The president is right to trust his instincts on this. We shouldnt be giving them hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. Its only 7 of those insured who are being helped by these subsidies and theres also no real mechanism to make sure that Companies Put that money, that government prop up toward low income americans who need it most. Neil so ill put you down as a maybe. Charles payne what do you think . Charles i largely agree with kennedy but we know its complex otherwise we wouldnt have this segment they have been taking care of this months ago. Neil i think if it were complex we would still do the same. [laughter] neil youre assuming everything has to be simple. Charles but what happened to repeal and replace . Listen, i dont even know. They booked themselves to repeal and replace or come up with Something Like that that risks the Health Companies. Neil ben stein . Ben i dont have a problem with the word bailouts i think it was a great idea and bailouts of the big Financial Companies was a great idea and we have to have bailouts of the Health Companies thats a good idea too i just i go along with the jimmy kimmel test. I dont want people to have to run out of money and have their children die in front of them because they dont have any money, call me a bleeding heart and i am a bleeding heart, but i love love love the idea of government actually saying were going to take care of the least among us. Neil adam . Adam well i think charles articulated it very well. Repeal and replace was a bad idea, fixing is a good idea and thats what this is, and if to kennedys point if its not a perfect fix lets make it a better fix but im not concerned about propping up companies. Im concerned with insuring americans. When United Health reported Record Numbers this week everyone is okay with a Company Whose stock is up 500 with billions in the bank. Let make sure they dont get hurt and theyre okay. Thats not the way it works. Thats what this is about. Neil but it does, to kennedy s point it does perpetuate it. Absolutely that doesnt fix the cycle. Corporate welfare is disgusting on every level. Free market is the only thing that will truly drive down prices and also allow for innovation and that will save healthcare in this country. Neil kennedy final word and i also want to thank you very very much. Great job. The meantime up next charles has you covered no matter which way the markets go. Some good individual names for you to consider after this. Neil no pain no gain. What do you have, charles . Charles Software Data as symbol. I love the way the stock is acting. Neil adam, what do you think about that . Something thats very volatile, people should be careful with it. Neil the market goes down, charles, what do they do . Charles very tight trading range. Neil ben, your thoughts on that . I love dividends coming in. I think its a Great Company and a great pick. Neil what do you think the market is running nonstop, dan, do you think that my very smart father use today say if a thing cannot go forever it will stop and it just cannot go forever. It will stop, whether it ends in laughter and tears its a good question. Im anticipating a downward move and im participating to eat bread, water and ramen noodles and back to steak and cavear. Neil i want to thank, continues david hasman, youre watching fox. What i tell people that are worried about the debt, cut spending, dont raise somebody elses taxes to balance your tax cut, cut taxes, grow the economy and if you dent like the debt, vote to cut spending. Senator rand paul arguing that you cant tax your way out of the debt and steve forbes say it is senator is not only right but the forbes new 400 list proves hes right, hi, everybody, im david, welcome to forbes on fox. Rich forbes, elizabeth mcdonald, sabrina, john and bruce jackson, steve, the total net worth of everybody on your new list is 2. 7 trillion. Our debt is more than