republican national committee. that had chairman reince priebus playing defense. here he is with sean hannity. >> sitting there seething through this thing other than thinking about hitting the circuit breaker in the auditorium that crossed my mind. these are people who put on a pretty decent show on cnbc. they did a decent debate four years ago. we had assurances it would be straight-up finance which is what they do every day and what was delivered was a crap sandwich. bill: that's great with mayonnaise, by the way. peel back the curtain. what do some of these candidates wanted? >> they want different things because they have different needs. ben carson and donald trump who are not exactly lincoln and douglas at debating would like to see less debating or debates that are more patty cake. they with like to see forums that probably are not testy. but if you are ted cruz, carly fiorina or marco rubio or chris christie, you want a debate with sharp elbows where you show your ability in that setting. no one would say, i don't think even cnbc would say that was a well-done debate. bill: once the agreement is reached, whether it's the rnc or the dnc, with the network than that's where the party control stops, yes or no. >> no. i don't know how other networks do it. i won't speak to that. but my understanding is because of our dealings with rnc. what they regulate are delegates. the rnc is in charge awarding delegates. they said candidates who participate in debates that are not approved will be punished by losing delegates. they regulate their convention, and nomination. they don't have anything to say about our debates. the candidates either come or don't come to our debates. bill: ryan idebates.bill. >> do you think it rnc is at fault for this debate structure? >> sure. the democratic dewaits are primarily moderated by liberals and the republican debates are moderated by liberals. bill: i don't know how he knows who's voting for whom. rick santilly has been at the mercantile for six years screaming in favor of the tea party. >> any idea that you can rig a debate favorable, unfavorable, you can have this or have that is a bad idea. you have got to play it down the middle. you have got to be trait and journalistically sound. you have to have journalistic soundness. i dare anybody to stay you were unfair or had narrow interests or bias. that's why we do it right. i will say this about ted cruz. he may be even right that the questions were biased or unfair but he would probably like to have one of those debates every day so he could hit grand slam home runs on that panel. bill: thank you, chris. 11 day we have one coming up here on fox. man * one of the biggest names on conservative radio calling for the firing of reince priebus. levin did not minutes word on -e word. >> enough is enough. i say reince priebus should be fired at the republican national committee. he's a boob whose tongue is tied all the time and when he does talk he talks in jibberish. the head of the rnc need to go. these debate formats are preposterous. what you saw were a number of republican candidate finally standing up and defending themselves. martha: he seemed a little bit upset. bill: they have 14 million? martha: apparently in some ways you could look at what happened and say these candidate came off looking good. and that it was a bonding moment for them. at one point you had the candidate saying don't pick on him. he's a smart guy, she is a smart woman. and i thought that was an interesting dynamic. bill: there will be a meeting over the weekend, we'll see what happens then. martha: while you were sleeping the senate was voting to send a bipartisan budget bill to president obama's desk and that cleared the way to race the debt ceiling. it was not without a bit of drama last night. >> are republican that lousy that political battles that we fear the president would shut the president down, blame us, and we would collapse because we fought for tax relief. are when that bad at this? why are we doing it? >> as we look back at the last six month one is left with a shocking conculsion, that is majority leader mcconnell has proven to be the most effective democratic leader of modern times. martha: in the end this vote went down smoothly, right? reporter: the on drama was it being in the middle of the night. only lyndsey graham voted for it. >> i think if you ask people throughout america, republican, democrat or independent, if you ask wet were it's a good idea to continue to before oh money without reforming what we do, to continue borrowing money at an alarming if rate without saying enough is enough, we should spend on what comes in. >> with 64 there was plenty of votes to pass it very early. martha: there is a lot of legitimate controversy over this issue. what was the argument that it would make season to get this done? reporter: john mccain wanted more money for the mitt. avoiding a debt crisis. the budget agreement is through two years and will ray the debt ceiling through march 2017. it will rate the spending caps by 80 bi. it august of some long-term entitlement reforms to the social security disability program. president obama said this agreement i a reminder that washington can still choose to help rather than hinder america' progress and he look forward to signing it into law as soon as it reaches his desk. martha: it's hard to manage a personal finance expert saying yes, i think you should continue going deeper into debt the next two years and this i a good deal for your future. bill: with the budget out of the way until 2017. paul ryan get a fresh tart in what he calls figuring a broken house. the new speaker promising to work with democrat along the way as well. >> what a relief it would be if we finally got our act together. what a weight off their shoulders. how reassuring if we figured the tax code. put patient in charge their healthcare, grew our economy, strengthened our military, lifted people out of poverty and paid down our debt. they will say it's not possible. you better believe we are going to try. bill were paul ryan, age 45 says he will meet with conservatives and consider their demand to see how the house can better work as well. i sat down moment after john boehner said good-bye. it happened yesterday afternoon. what were his biggest wins and losses? 5 years as speaker of the house. 25 years in congress. his exit interview later this hour on "america's newsroom." the high the lows. what he thick of the president today. what he thick of the house conservatives who made his job very, very difficult. martha: we are looking forward to that coming up. and you may want to turn the page, but a new batch of hillary clinton emails are about to be released. the classified emails hand over to the benghazi committee. congressman mike pompeo is leading in the the charge on this. bill: watch this video. a traffic stop turns into a potentially deadly assault. martha: jeb bush is fighting back. critics say his campaign is on life support. can jeb turn it around? our panel is next. >> we have talkers and doers. we have had a great talker as president of the united states. man, he's gifted. extraordinarily eloquent man. but he's not a doer. he doesn't roll up his sleeves and solve problems. if you love shrimp like i love shrimp, come to red lobster's endless shrimp... ...for as much as you want, any way you want it... sweet, buttery, and creamy. like new pineapple habanero coconut shrimp bites... ...and teriyaki grilled shrimp. and yeah, it's endless, but it won't last forever. . martha: a michigan police officer is lucky to be alive after a woman used her car as a weapon. the officer spotted a driver with a suspended license and pulling her over. she struggled, got into her car. threw the car in reverse and that struck the officer and knocked him down. she speeds away. the driver was arrested shortly after that move. the officer was treated for minor injuries. he's now back on the job. bill: a brand-new pile of emails set for release and the white house releasing a controversy of classified emails a year after they were requested. the big pile we leased by the white house deal with the the military's response. what's new that you know of today. >> we just received these emails. we have been demanding them for months and months. it's what we have been talking about for a long time. i can't tell you much about what's been contained in them. but there are important questions we have to answer about how the department of defense respopped. we asked hillary clinton if she spoke to the secretary of defense or the joint chiefs of staff. we need to understand how the d.o.d. was deployed prior to that. to make sure good decisions were made to protect these folks and we need to understand all the detail about how they responded in the aftermath of our facility in benghazi. bill: it was revealed in the hearing that hillary clinton did send an email or two the night of the attack describing it as al qaeda-like. do you have anything today to enlighten us on what that's all about? >> yes, sir. secretary clinton lied to the family of mr. woods, she lied to the american people we know she believed within hours this was a terrorist after he tack conducted by al-sharia. this was an attack planned in advance consistent with terrorists around the world. bill: democrats said they were going get off that committee. since then they changed their minds. >> they haven't lifted a finger, necessity stayed on the committee technically but they haven't done one stitch of work to help america understand howed the first ambassador in 30 years was killed. i hope they stay on, but i hope they begin to help us, not hinder us. bill: 10-month delay in the emails. chris stevens emails were given to the committee 48 hours before the hearing began. how would you characterize this experience trying to get that information? what would you say about the admin snraition this long delay? >> the administration promised to be the most transparent in the history of the united states of america. this administration has been the exact opposite of that. we still don't have all of ambassador stevens emails. it took us months to find out secretary clinton hasn't using a government account. and they prevented the american people from understanding how the case happened and to make sure it never happens again. bill: thank you. martha: another american has been arrested and is being held in iran. the fourth american behind bars and fears another political pawn may be in the works. fresh off the nuclear deal we have struck with that country. he has an interesting story. bill: a plane bursting into flames moments before it is set to take off. >> i heard like a bump. and i heard people screaming, running to the front, i turn around and look in the window and it's flames all over the turbine of the plane. 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perfect. bill: an interesting campaign to follow, would it not? we go to northwest, southwest. martha: east were southeast. serious stuff here. another american has reportedly been detained in iran. a businessman in dubai was arrested while he was visiting friends and family in tehran. it's raising questions -- these are the four individual we know. bought * and there were questions whether they were trying to work on a bringser in swap from the iranian side. rick, good morning. good to have you with us today. in the wake of this deal given the fact the other four were not released as part of this negotiation that they would be careful not to do something like this. tell us what you know about this man. >> mr. amaz, is an american born in the united states. his father was an influential governor inside iran. the family moved out because obviously they were concerned with the new regime that had come in. mr. mamazi and his brother have been influential helping businesses do business inside iran. and they both have been vocal about bringing down sanctions. as we ratchet up sanctions on the iranian regime these two brothers were always calling for sanctions to be lessened. it would lead you to believe maybe the iranian regime would like that. but something changed the last several years. they moved to dubai. they got out of iran. now we see the regime grabbing him and holding him against his will. march are and his brother were born in the united states. their parents are iranian and his father was an influential businessman in iran. here is a man who dedicated his time and energy to opening iran and being a void for moderate leadership to expand their economy and open business ties, it's hard to imagine what would have caused them to arrest him given it seems he's in line with what many in iran would want at this point for their country. >> if they are going to take someone like this, no one should be traveling to iran right now. this is a regime with a legal system that's random. they can come up with charges randomly and without explanation, and they do. we have seen several individual being held against their will. i worked on several cases. once in a while we get someone free. but it should not be a part of the iran negotiations. this is a separate deal. the more we put it with any type of political issue, the more individual will be at risk because the iranians will grab them and use them as leverage. martha: what response do you expect from the administration on this? >> i don't think the administration should be involved at all. they have a point person inside the state department. it's a terrible idea. we do not want to formalize this. the family need to do everything they can. hire private people and former diplomats. do what they can but don't bring this into an official u.s. policy issue. bill: jeb bush trying to reassure donors his campaign is alive and well. reports say they were not reassured by this week's debate. >> i'll work hard to earn people's support. i knew this would be a long journey, but to suggest the campaign is terminal, come on. that's pretty funny. martha: some jeb bush donors say they are puzzles and frustrated by his performance at wednesday's debate. he says his campaign is in good shape. reporter: you said you would get better at this. what are you going to do to get better at this. >> we have 8 debates. i'll have to do what other candidate do. rudely interrupt, not answer the questions asked, and hopefully the debate moderators will ask substantive questions. martha: we have the former political as individualor and fox news contributors. plenty of people say when you read about policy that he talks about when he writes editorials he comes across as sounding as somebody who could get something done, yet he absolutely has not been able to stand out, to cut the mustard in a debate environment. and it seems that's something that matters a lot. >> i was watching this debate pain was rooting for jeb bush. but this is just for those of you -- those of us who have done campaigns, this is an art. marco rubio was prepared for he question put to him. and that's why debate prep is so important. he should have had an answer. he looked lost. martha: confidence breed success. when you are nervous you hesitate and think. it's very, very high stakes. u.s. news and word report got their hand on the rest of the document from this internal meeting in houston. the other stuff show they are going after marco rubio. they are pulling out dirt on the state credit card thing. one of their big focuses is to take marco rubio down with dirt. >> i think senator marco rubio is a formidable candidate. you have seen he has been an effective communicator. he has been eyewitnes quit quic. and he has been brilliant at focus opening the right target. while the other candidates are going after each other. as well as the fact i call it the psychology of politic. left brain-right brain. it's not just policy and record. it's how you emotion alley connect with these voters. jeb bush while he has a record out there, he hasn't been able to emotionally connect to these voters. martha: peggy noonan ripped apart the debate itself. she said he was playing from an old play book. it's 2015. we are in crisis. they don't care about your heart and joy. they care about your guts, brains and toughness. he wasn't campaigning joyously. you asked hip if he's happy, he says i am happy, thing are good. he was unjoy on you as he said it. and not being able to speak up to marco rubio. that's just unforgivable. i can see why the governor are upset. they are upset because this is a candidate who doesn't seem to be prepared for the attacks coming at him. martha: they will spend $11 million in new happen shire on ad. in iowa they are at 6% and they want to get to 18%. he's got his work cut out for him in the next self weeks. bill: jimmy kimmel weighing in. >> there were moments when the asking you got out of hand with 10 candidate on the staingt' hard to speak. at a certain point i didn't know if i was watching a debate or the view. >> should the federal government play a larger role in setting up retirement plan for these workers? >> no. [all talking at once] >> we'll be right back. martha: the backlash over the cnbc debate continues. but the next debate will be the fox business network. bill: john boehner's exit interview. conservatives in the house and himself. >> it what you pretty smooth. good job, big guy. >> what sets john apart is he's a man of character. a true class act. he is without a question the gentleman from ohio. so please join me in saying one last time, thank you, speaker boehner. bill: as we watched that moment yesterday, paul ryan taking the gavel as the 62nd speaker of the house. we watched john boehner give his final speech as speaker. beginning with what you call the man who just surrendered a title he has held for almost five years, what do i call you now? >> john. the same thing you always called me. john. bill: i remember john as a no-name politician 25 years ago in southwestern ohio. and here you are 2 1/2 decade later saying good-bye. did you accomplish what you came here to accomplish? >> i played a role in a fight that's been going on for over 200 years over the appropriate size and scope and cost of government. i came here to fight for a smaller, less costly and more accountable government. but i began to realize over the years there is no winning this fight. it will be a constant struggle over how big should washington be, how much should it take. bill: four years ago you tried to accomplish the grand bargain. it was going to change the course of government, and it did not happen. how close were you to getting a grand bargain? >> i sat in the oval office with the president of the united states. eric cantor, shook hand with the president, the deal was done. $5 trillion in deficit reduction would have meant tens of trillions of dollars over the next 20 years in terms of really fix our entitlement programs and getting us on to a much more solid foundation. i was shocked that the president walked away from the agreement and caused really the country to have a real struggle. because how are we going to raise the debt limit? how will we offset spending? the country went through a lot more than it needed to. bill: you had your battles. was he a good political partner? >> the president and i have a good relationship. but we have disagreements over many issues. i think it's essential the leader be able to work with each other, have a relationship, build some trust so we dock the nation's business. the president called me the day i announced my retirement and we had a nice conversation. at one point he said, baron, man, i'm going to miss you. i said, yes, you are, mr. president, yes, you are. bill: you called some members of your own party knuckleheads, false prophets. you called one a jackass. how difficult did they make your job. >> i use colorful language to describe all kinds of things, including some of my colleagues. it wasn't any more difficult than other leaders have had to deal with. you watched me do my job over the years. if you are doing the right things forthright reasons, good things will happen. if they don't want to come to the party, fine, i'll find the vote somewhere else. bill: what's your proudest moment? >> the pope. i'm an altar boy. i tried for 20 years to get a pope to address a joint session of congress and i was able to do it when i was speaker. it was a big day. bill: your biggest regret? >> the debt celling that fell apart. bill: the granted bargain. if you could choose one of the following, immigration reform, repeal of obamacare or the grand bargain. which one would you pick? >> the grand bargain by far. city would have meant a lot to our economy of. it would have meant forr more for people's incomes it would have put our entitlement program on a stronger foundation. bill: what do you think you are going to miss about all of this? >> all the people, my friends. you make a lot of friends. while serving in congress and being speaker of the house you have an opportunity to put your fingerprints on history and the direction of the country. but at the end of the day it's the relationships that you build that are most meaningful. bill: i get the sense that you are anxious to get out of here. once you made the decision, it's time to go ... >> i not had one ounce of regret, not one ounce of remorse. it was the right decision, the right time. and you are right, i'm ready to go. bill: you are catholic. >> oh, yes. bill: in my part of the world we call you very catholic. this week you put out a message about the holy spirit showing you and guiding you toward this decision. >> my colleagues have heard me say this. god put me in this job. and god eased me out of this job spicht was pretty smooth. good job, big guy. bill: thank you for your time. >> thank you. bill: he will tell you he's been honest for 25 years with everyone he deals with. with regard to the consequence there are the house, many argue they are the ones who forced him from this job. he said they wanted it perfect and i couldn't make it that way and it will never be that way. he hasn't driven a car in nine years. cap tell hill security has been responsible for keeping him safe and keeping him alive. and so everybody asked me what am i going to do? probably some speaking engagements. and he's trying to figure out where he's going to live, where he's going to call home. he's on the road doing fundraisers and all that now will stop. he's got to figure out what he does with his life. martha: a life he dedicated to service of this country and people may have mixed opinions about how effective they think he was or was not as they would of anybody in their job. it was interesting what he said about god. whenever anybody says god called them to do something some people think it's presumptuous. but it's very, very interesting. a good interview, bill, and very insightful. bill: i think you also make a great point about how fare was willing to go and fight for a lot of things that we have been debating up here for six years. all that is treated with mixed emotions right now. he's well aware of that. hats off and good luck. john boehner, thank you for your service and your time. martha: a plane burst into flames while sitting on the tarmac. did you see this? terrified passengers. they were forced to escape on emergency chutes. the latest on how this happened. >> the plane was still moving when this was going on. i was the second passenger leaving the aircraft. went down the chute and turned around andaw the rest of the people coming out. martha: in a couple minute we are going to get a news conference from florida that will follow yesterday's fire in fort lauderdale. more than 100 passengers and crew members escaped. they used the emergency chutes. everybody scrambled for their lives. >> i heard a mild bang. turned around, saw the lights, saw flames. ran from the front of the aircraft. there was people starting to get up. >> when i woke up i was already hitting people and people were crying and i didn't know how to react. martha: firefighters were battling those flames for hours. steve harrigan is live in miami with the details. the doors were closed initially and everybody started realizing they had to get out of there. reporter: there were 101 passengerred on board and they knew of the plane was on fire. you could see the flames coming up from the left engine and the plane was surrounded by thick, black smoke. there was a lot of screaming and pushing for people to get to those slide. the crew performs very professionally. but a lot of pushing and jostling several injuries happened with people going down the slide. it took 30 seconds for the doors to hop and 6 minutes to evacuate the plane. the airline is not one most us are familiar with, dynamic airways. reporter: it runs charter operations in queens. it's not clear what happened this time around. but not many companies still fly to venezuela, and there is not a lot of choice when you want to fly to venezuela. bill: a rapper turned isis terrorist reportedly killed in and u.s. airstrike. the front runner changing from poll to poll. candidate at odds with the party itself. october has been a rollercoaster. what is november going to look like. stay tuned. >> people in the establishment said it's not your turn. they said you have to wait in line. the time to act for our country is now. . . . . hi, i'm henry winkler and i know there are many myths out there about a reverse mortgage so i want you to know the facts. a reverse mortgage is insured by the federal government; you can get tax-free money from the equity in your home; you can use the money to pay off your current mortgage, if you have one; the remaining money can be used for anything; there's no monthly mortgage payments, and you still own your home! call today to get your free guide and dvd. it's explains how a government-insured reverse mortgage works... there's no obligation. one reverse mortgage is a quicken loans company. their licensed experts can answer all your questions. call to find out what a great solution this can be. don't wait...call now! martha: new signs of turbulence out there in the republican presidential race. donald trump has slipped a little bit in the polls but let's face it, folks, he is still absolutely on top in most of these polls. everybody else jockeying for kind of second-tier position who can lead that position. ben carson also in very good shape still as we welcome you to hour two of "america's newsroom." good morning once again. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. boo. still here. i love halloween. shifting tide in voter sentiment giving dr. ben carson a boost indicating donald trump is not only anti-establishment candidate republican voters might support. with jeb bush showing signs of weakness, marco rubio and guys like ted cruz could be on the rise. latest "real clear politics" average trump still on top, 26, almost 28%. carson second at 22%. rubio and cruz and bush on down the line. bush with almost 7%. martha: we have political editor for "the washington times." good morning, steven. good to see you today. >> good morning. martha: the premise here november will be pretty interesting. based on how things shaking out, second-tier and cruise and rubio starting to show strength. when you look at those numbers, cruz, rubio and bush and fiorina are pretty much all in the same zone. it is anybody's game in that tier, isn't it? >> that's right. we'll see in november what sort of campaign this is. if you think back to 2012, that was campaign where you had mitt romney and republican voters tested every other flavor of the month as they tried to find anti-romney. settled on romney in the end when they didn't like other guise. we'll find out whether that is situation. whether republican voters that'sing non-establishment candidates but eventually end up with kasich or jeb bush, we'll know that by early december, or, whether this is truly different type of campaign. my bet it is different type of campaign because first of all the field is so much stronger than 2012th. when you just mentioned, cruz, rubio, non-starement washington people, freshmen who haven't been totally washingtonnized have a to make the argument to both sides of party and november is the month to do that. martha: jeb bush numberswise is not threatening too much people when you look at it but finance and backing he has a lot of structure to be sure. very interesting in this document released this morning that "u.s. news & world report" got hands on full document from the houston meeting an inside, in iowa they have something, like 1200 votes, about 6% of the caucusgoers. they want to get to 18%, that is a pretty big leap where they want to finnish iowa to be strong. new hampshire they will roll out millions of dollars of ads between january and february. they are going after rubio. those are three things in their strategy. what do you think about it? >> well we saw how rubio attack worked in debate. rubio knows this is coming. he is ready for it. he will have to do a lot better on that attack. other two things, this is a campaign running -- it is a bush-style campaign like his father ran, his brother ran. you could call it a 2000 campaign. donald trump is showing a 2000 campaign, and old style campaign of money and manpower can overcome new style internet campaign of messaging and media. it is a great test. campaign professionals are watching to see what happens.mya hybrid candidate coming up somewhere in between. sort of washington outside also able to get internet campaign going as well as have a interest additional operation. martha: it is pretty fascinating to watch. i think your point is a great one because you have bottom all the campaigns out there bulked up the way campaigns have, ton of staff and money and advertising an -- and looking at donald trump, not spending a dime on advertising and has a core group work with him. he is trying to become more palatable beyond 28, 29%. what do you look for him in november, steven? what do you think we're going to see? >> we need to see more policy. we need to see him deal with, to explain his tax policy more. so i guess i would say look for him to become more sub assistant assistant -- substantive. martha: will be interesting one as soon as we get through halloween. steven, thank you. bill: on the tarmac in florida. the press conference has come. >> the lent of time, there will not be any release of what the cause is or anything along that time. besides that, we can answer any questions you may have on the incident yesterday. >> [inaudible]. >> no. and ntsb will not say. they just keep moving on it. they have to follow and be as thorough as possible going through all the records, going through all the information, going through the black box on the aircraft, checking all the communications of what happened, how it happened, talking with the control tower, talking with the pilots and then of course mechanics and so forth that worked on it before. >> are they saying if they're looking specifically like at fuel line leak or are they giving any kind of area -- [inaudible] >> the question was are they saying are they looking at fuel line leak or anything along that line, i don't have that answer. they are very, very thorough what they look at. they look at entire operating systems of the entire aircraft. >> from the airport perspective, i realize you can't speak for the ntsb, on behalf of them, how much fuel leaked on your runway yesterday? >> we estimate it was -- yeah. there was no leakage on the runway. it was on the taxi way. we're in the process of repairing the taxiaway. there is estimate of 45 or 50 gallons right now. >> on the taxiway? >> on the taxiway. >> that was covered in foam yesterday? >> yes. >> what is involved cleaning it up? >> what happens none of the jet fuel went into the stormwater system. can, are you getting this? okay. it was contained by balloons we placed on it and soaked up by material, mats that we have. okay. >> [inaudible] >> i don't have it with me, no. >> we're on live tv. >> so what we're doing now, that cleanup is being accomplished and there was damage to the asphalt from the jet fuel. the asphalt will be milled and replaced today. we hope, hope to open it either later on today or tomorrow morning on that portion of the taxiway. >> can you tell me if there is one -- aircraft or is it like gas station on every corner there are multiple fire fuel? >> there is central fuel system in the entire airport. it is done through a hydrant system. there is not one supplier. it is done through a consortium. >> [inaudible] >> i can't hear you? >> [inaudible] >> no. did the fire every enter the cabin? no, it did not enter the cabin. >> can you comment on, comment on the crew's performance? >> no, i can not. >> let me just speak up for a second. mr. george is here to talk about you about airport operations, what the airport has done, what they are going to do. we can not talk about the investigation. we can't talk about what happened on the plane. that is all will come from investigators. he is here to provide with you information about what the airport does, how we continue operations, what impacts we may have and what impacts going forward and how we work with federal authorities. if we focus questions in those areas, we'll help you out otherwise you're wasting everybody es time, we can only tell you about the airport. >> are my first question -- [inaudible] >> i said there was no fire in the cockpit. in the airplane itself. there was fire on the left-wing and number one engine. >> shutting down the longer runway, how much of issue is that getting flights back? >> doug webster will talk about operations. go ahead. >> the question was relative impact it had on north runway closed versus south runway open. at that time of day is didn't have operational impact to us. later in the day we have larger aircraft which require the north runway. essentially really had no impact. bill: all right, so that the latest. talk about a scare? this passenger plane with 101 on board yesterday, burst into flames moments before takeoff. captain chuck nash has been watching and listening. good day to you, sir. >> good morning, bill. bill: this could have been really really bad had plane gone up in the air. >> when i was in the knave say talk about promotion cycle where you were and everything, the old saying timing is not important, it's everything. in this case that certainly is the case because, they were taxiing for takeoff, if they had gotten airborne this thing happened we may talk about a whole different scenario. bill: the crew was warned by another jet on the tarmac. it was taxiing. apparently pilot said, got something coming out you should not. that is when they shut it down. 100 people on board if that gets in the air, what are options for a pilot? >> well at that point you go through the emergency procedures. obviously one of the things with an engine fire on takeoff there are some immediate procedures but you don't overreact. you just don't start pulling throttles back and shutting down engines, if you do in two engine airplane, you believe it or not you have 50/50 shot pulling wrong inbegin. if you do that, now really hopeless. what they do -- bill: does that happen? >> yes, that does happen. that's why you go through these procedures where you don't overreact. the thing in the navy we used to call back in the day before digital watches, whenever you had emergency the first thing you did was wind your watch. in other words, calm down, let thing settle out and get your mind straight. because if you just start reacting right away, you can make a, take a bad situation and turn it into a disaster. bill: greg fife, you know him, former ntsb? >> i do not know him. bill: once the aircraft becomes airborne it become as flying blowtorch. they got lucky. captain nash, thanks in washington. quick duty there. thanks. martha. martha: there is growing backlash among the campaigns against the cnbc debate. >> no. john, john do you want me to answer or you want to answer? [applause] because i got to tell you the truth even in new jersey what you're doing is called rude so -- martha: even in new jersey. republicans are not only ones criticizing the network. but next debate will be on fox business network coming up. maria bartiromo will be one of the moderators. she will join us with her assessment what happened the other night and where we go -- bill: martha, sorry about that. ted cruz is on the rise, poised to become the next republican frontrunner? is that what is in the stars? panel debates that in a moment here. martha: we've been talking about this high drama on the tarmac. passengers lucky to walk away from that plane. it caught fire just before takeoff. >> it was extremely scary. the entire plane was nervous, you could feel energy from the back of the plane. i was towards the back. bill: got some breaking news right now. reuters reporting that the obama administration is now considering and has made a decision set to be announced very soon about the deployment of a small number of special-ops forces on the ground in syria, said to be advisory role. there is not a lot more information coming from that. we should get more either from the pentagon or likely the white house a bit later today but it's a headline we've been waiting for. now it appears it is about to happen. stay tuned for more on that inside of "america's newsroom." >> if you look at the question, donald trump, are you a comic book villain, ben carson, can you do math? john kasich will you insult two people over here. marco rubio, why don't you resign? jeb bush, why have your numbers fallen? how about talking about substantive issues people care about? [cheers and applause] martha: wow, that was ted cruz's biggest moment on wednesday night. thursday morning, the cnbc moderators and their questions generated so much buzz. everybody was talking about whether or not they did a good job. democrats and republicans on both sides, people calling it a train wreck all across the board. so very interesting. so where do we go from here with this whole process? campaigns are discussing that now. i'm joined by maria bartiromo, global markets editor for our sister network, fox business network and anchors of "mornings with maria" on fbn and "sunday morning futures" on fox news channel. she is in the moderator's chair at next gop debate. maria and i worked at cnbc on the way back, obviously they're getting a lot of criticism how they handled things. that they let it get out of control. you have people in the audience booing moderators at some points. what did you make of it? >> you know i thought it was extraordinary actually. i think it is so important after looking at debate, i come away saying more important much more than ever before what the point of these debates are. i think point of these debates in general is to insure that the voter out there has an opportunity to distinguish the differences of all of the candidates, the differences in their economic policy, foreign policy. also differences in leadership style and governance. that is what i want to try to do. try to make sure to communicate and solicit from all of the candidates how their plan differs from next guy or gal and how it impacts average person out there. that is what i really want to get to. i think in that some ways missed. martha: people would look forward to that. i think also at end of any of these debates, you have done them before. we've done before in cleveland, you want people to walk away that it is fair. i learned something. it was tough and it is fair. that doesn't seem to be reviews we're hearing over course of reaction to this week's debate. here is ben carson when he was asked how he thought it went. watch this. >> it's not about me and gotcha questions. it's about the american people and whether they have the right to actually hear what we think. the whole format, was just, craziness. and, i think, one of the sentinel moments when the audience began to boo. martha: so apparently, now the campaigns are talking a lot about the process going forward. and, they have, they want to register concerns about the way they think that things should be done. i heard reince priebus, head of rnc, very volatile last night on outspoken with sean hannity, a different experience with cnbc. the first debate cnbc did was focused on business and economics. this was a whole different story. basically we didn't get what we bargained for. you were moderator of first debate he was talking about so professional. >> thank you. that debate was really important back when i was at cnbc doing it because we focused on economic issues, pocketbook issues important to the american people. by the way that is the debate that governor perry had unfortunate moment forgot his third element in his speech. what dr. carson said in this it is not about me and not about the moderators. when you and bill hemmer did it in cleveland it was very clearly not about you. it is what you were trying to solicit from candidates. i go into this and approach the next debate saying really it is about the american voter. it is about the voter and what he or she wants to know from candidates. helping voter distinguish what is different between all the candidates and what is it, what is that little secret sauce that might come out to say to the voter, ah-ha, that is my guy, that is my gal. that is what i'm looking for. martha: need to convey substance and also that connection. >> absolutely. martha: it's a service that you provide for them in that way. i know you will do a fantastic job. >> thank you, martha. martha: on november 10th. always good to see you. >> thanks so much. martha: all right. as we said, next republican debate is hosted by fox business network. it will be a great team doing this one. it will be in milwaukee, wisconsin. early debate gets started at 6:00 p.m. eastern. followed by the prime time round at 9:00 p.m. looking forward to that. bill: indeed. meantime a rapper turned isis terrorist reportedly killed in a us air strike. a prep school student convicted section you'll assault of a student will serve time in jail. does the punishment fit the crime? we'll tell you about and you decide. >> i still believe a sentence of probation would have been more appropriate but i'm neither surprised nor shocked at the sentence imposed by the judge. martha: volcano putting on a spectacular show. the second tallest volcano in mexico spewing ash and steam high into the air. that is what volcanos were born to do, right? this is time-lapse video shows plume of ash from eruption reaching more than mile 1/2 into the sky. authorities warning nearby residents they do need to take precautions. wow. bill: that is day time. fox news entertainer turned terrorist is now dead. reports say denis cuspert out of germany, member of isis killed in airstrike in syria. question, why was he a target. peter doocy live in washington. what is then on that? reporter: he was wanted because he is rapper. isis is using rap to join young people into its ranks to make terrorism cool. one of only forms of musical propaganda can use, easily performed without instruments and instruments are outlawed in the islamic state. denis cuspert, who use to go by the name of desso dog, used to tour with dmx, very well-known in the hip-hop world, left rap and german army stepdad in berlin for life of terror. back in february of this year the state department issued terrorist designition of denis cuspert where they called him a pitchman for isis atrocities. also explaining that cuspert is emprem mat i can isis seeks for its ranks. who then travel to iraq and syria to commit far worse crimes. and, for a sense of what those far worse crimes were, in one of the rap videos cuspert is featured in i is holding a severed head. bill? bill: how much of an impact is his death on isis? how much does it matter, peter? reporter: could hurt isis's ability to recruit germans to train as terrorists in iraq and syria to send them back to europe to carry out attacks. german law enforcement sisters said that cuspert played essential role for isis. there are already several hundred germans among several thousand western isis fight is. terror experts said he was the best-known german isis member. now, reportedly dead. bill? bill: thanks, peter doocey out with that story of washington, d.c. 27 past. martha? martha: senator ted cruz making strong impression, catching voters attention during the debate. he is running as an outsider railing against his own party. should republicans support him? we'll talk about it. bill: high school football coach is suspended on the field is back. we have a question, did the punishment go too far? >> i will fight for constitution and rights of all americans and definitely my own and my own personal faith. and i have not stopped fighting, nor will i until we get this resolved and i have the rights just like any other american. chd lung cancer patient. the day i got the diagnosis, i was just shocked. the surgeon in dallas said i needed to have the top left lobe of my lung removed. i wanted to know what my other options were. and i found that at cancer treatment centers of america. at ctca, our experts examine a variety of therapies, treatments and technologies to identify a plan specifically for each patient. my doctor understood that who i am was just as important as what cancer i had. we talked about options. my doctor told me about a robotic surgery that was less invasive. we have excellent technology that allow us to perform very specialized procedures for patients who have lung disease. at ctca, it's all about what you can do. i feel fantastic now. exploring treatment options is at the heart of how we fight cancer. the evolution of cancer care is here. learn more about our treatment options at cancercenter.com/lung. appointments available now. martha: want to get up to speed. we're watching headlines crossing here. there are reports that the white house is going to make rather big announcement this afternoon in the fight against isis in syria after a very long period of reluctance to put anybody on the ground there. they are expected to announce, according to these reports, that they will put 20 to 30 individual advisors on the ground to assist in the fight against the islamic state. that is coming in from reuters, and other sources at this point. and it raises a lot of questions about the timing here and what happens next in terms of how many people will be there. let's bring in captain chuck nash, who thankfully is still with us to respond to this breaking news with us this morning. captain, what do you think? >> well, after like you say, do something, do something, do something, now it is time to do something even if it is wrong we're doing something. i'm not saying that it is wrong but what i'm saying they better thought this thing out well. you start putting 20 to 30 advisors into syria they better have extraction plan, in worse case exfiltration plan how they get themselves out of there if it all goes south. the other thing, russians are bombing people we're going to be advising. will we have russian aircraft potentially bombing u.s. advisors? if so, how does that play out? what's step two? we're very good at doing step one. we're terrible at step two, let alone step three. martha: if you look back in terms of requests for movement and action to help in syria, we, tried to train moderate rebels. we ended up with a handful of them in the end. then we said no, we'll ditch that plan. we're not going to train moderate rebels. that is not working. russians came in, started attacking people who we trained in the syrian army. as you point out, that is a hornet's nest. now we'll put 30 people on the ground to assist who, in what fight? i mean this is to eliminate isis. syria is saying they're going after them as well. >> syrians are going after them. russians say we're going after them. we're going after them. i don't have any problem with our folks on the ground deconflicting air operations with united states and allied forces. that's not going to be an issue. where the issue comes in, if we're advising these syrian rebel groups that the cia trained, the free syrian army and others, some other so-called moderate groups, okay, we're in there doing that. we're also parachuting weapons and ammunition into multiple groups. in fact we've pretty much given up on vetting those people. we're just dropping weapons into anybody says they want to fight the regime. so you've got the russians, the iranians, the cubans, the syrians, and hezbollah on one side trying to take out the people that we are supporting. it is a big chocolate mess. and now we're going to introduce boots on the ground inside syria. they had better have thought this out. martha: you sound angry? >> you know, i'm disgusted. no, i'm not angry. i'm disgusted. you know, this thing has gone from bad to worse. and, you know, i have used this metaphor before so excuse me, you know, options are like grains of sand in an hourglass. you start the problem and flip that hourglass over. and those options, those potential uses of things, start draining away. until you wait and you wait and you wait and you finally in the very end you have only a couple options left. they may be really bad options but if they're the only ones you've got left they're the ones you used because you passed up everything else. we passed up a lot of stuff. martha: the president has held off as you point out. he wanted to be a president was removing us from war in the middle east. he ran on that. he wanted to succeed in that. but he may leave office with troops in all three places in, afghanistan, iraq and in syria. there is a lot more to come. this is breaking news. an imminent announcement expected from white house. we'll bring you there as soon as that happens. captain nash, thank you. >> you bet. ♪ >> look back over the last 10 months one is left with the conclusion that is a rather shocking conclusion, which is that majority leader mcconnell has proven to be the most effective democratic leader in modern times. bill: that is texas senator ted cruz, blasting his favorite target. cruz, painting himself as an outsider, as he has done throughout this campaign running for president. as a senator. will voters buy it? here is what he told bret baier last night on "special report." >> one of the striking things in that debate every candidate is posturing, holding themself as outsider saying i will fight washington. i think the reason, bret, our campaign is getting such enormous enthusiasm, primary voters are asking of all of these candidates who actually has stood up and fought washington, stood up and taken on not only democrats but leaders in their own party? bill: catherine timf, reporter for "national review," and emily sussman, center for american progress action fund. ladies, good day to both of you. his strategy, katherine, pretty obvious. get in there and stir the pot. >> exactly. you can see that outsiders are definitely doing a good job right now with carson and trump. they're total outsiders at the same time he has political experience. i don't know if is just me, i feel it is kind of dweebing how hard he is trying to look like a bad boy a little bit. bill: i tell you what, kid, i hadn't heard dweeb in a long time. >> bad boys don't have to repeat how often they're bad boys. bill: good point. emily, does the strategy work? >> i really respect dweeby. i don't know that the strategy is working. that he would be appealing as outsider he would own the anti-establishment piece but that is just not where the gop primary voters are right now. they are more anti-establishment than where he is. he keeps trying to remind everyone. he keeps trying to tell everyone. what he proved he is very good sound bite candidate when he railed against moderators during the debate. that showed to be very high. people really responded to that. he is a good sound bite candidate. you need to look no further when he held the long filibuster at the end of last senate. if you were watching c-span, i'm a dork, watching c-span. if you watched what was going on senate floor, nobody would talk to him. he is reviled by his peers. bill: i don't think the word is dork. i think the word is dweebie. contrast style of ted cruz with a very measured man, who has now resigned his job, john boehner from yesterday. watch. >> president and i have a good relationship. we have disagreements over all kind of issues. but we have a good relationship because i think it is essential that the leaders be able to work with each other, have a relationship, build some trust, so that we can dot nation's business. bill: question, what is more effective? katherine, go? >> i think you need a little bit of both. i don't think you can be like boehner crying actually all the time. crying sometimes is nice. getting along sometimes is nice. you need to stand up and fight because it is worth it. cruz wants to fight to fight. you need balance of both. bill: ememily? >> you have to remember ultimately asking to do. you're asking to run the government of this country. once again last night cruz voted against budget deal with that will keep government open. filibusters every chance he can. doesn't work with anybody. you do have to actually propose something. you can't just be for nothing all the time. bill: emily, thank you. katherine, thanks to you as well. to all the dorks and dweebs out there today, we thank you. bye-bye. >> thank you. martha: so we are you up to speed on this news coming out of the white house. we do expect they will make announcement. the word is, reports are today, that it will include 20 to 30 ground troops who would operate in a limited advise and assist capacity, according to these reports, in the fight against the islamic state. so let's go to the white house and bring in our correspondent there kevin corke at this time. kevin what are you putting together there? what have we learned about this so far? reporter: martha, you hit on something i think is super important. if you've been talking to fox news reporting all week long you heard of this possibility. we heard from defense secretary ash carter as early as wednesday this might be the possibility to sort of strengthen u.s. ties with rebel forces in syria. what is news today what you have just reported, and that is we're getting a better sense of the small size of that cadre, somewhere between 20 and 30 so-called advisors but it is also important to point out, martha, as you heard josh earnest say in the briefing, i asked him specifically -- they're not going to call it a combat mission. but what i did ask him yesterday was, does that mean despite the fact you're not calling it a combat mission, will u.s. forces be involved in combat situations? he did say yes. and so what i'm telling you right now is, that between 20 and 30 is what we're hearing right now, u.s. special forces operatives will be on the ground in syria. now you're going to hear the white house say today, this is important, that this is an advise role. advise doesn't mean they're not going to be in combat situation. keep that in mind, martha. martha: when you think about the american military lost, the man lost in the iraq mission, sort of sent them scrambling. they had to do a lot of explaining about the fact they indeed had them participating in combat missions in iraq, these individuals to advise and assist in that case. reporter: exactly right. martha: that is tough to say these individuals won't be in the same position, won't it? reporter: without question. josh wheeler died in a combat circumstance. no matter how you paint the picture. as soon as we hear from the administration i bring it back to you from the north lawn. for now, back to you. martha: kevin, thank you. bill: big story. former prep school student sent to year behind bars convicted of a sexual assault of a young girl. is one year enough or is it too harsh? we'll debate it in a moment. martha: airline passenger suddenly goes on a tirade in midair, what he said that terrified everybody on that plane. >> we got duck tape, and handcuffs. we had to hold the guy in the seat and fasten his seatbelt, if you get up we're going to duct tape you together. we diverted to phoenix. got rushed by phoenix police when we landed. martha: former student at one of the nation's most prestigious boarding schools has just received word that he will spend a year behind bars. he was found guilty of basically luring this young woman into a sexual encounter at st. paul's school and other sexual assault charges were among the ones he was found guilty in this case. he was not found guilty of rape in this case. he will also have to register as sex offender. that will last rest of his life. >> this is case where lives have been destroyed, yours and victim. you have to recognize this is day for justice to the victim and that what the primary factors in my mind. i have to recognize what you did that was a crime. martha: what an ordeal has been for all families involved. heather hanson, trial attorney, heather blum a criminal defense attorney. they joan me now. good to have you both here. heather, what did he get the year for and he has an appeal in this case, right? >> he definitely has an appeal. got the year for simply having sex with someone underage. he was not convicted forcible rape. the other count was convicted luring her in through facebook. he did not get year for that. that was set aside as suspended sentence. the sentence was not that harsh. he faced up to 11 years. but he is choosing to appeal it based on fact what they say were legal problems with the case. so he will not go to jail until the appeal is done. martha: so, debra, what do you think about the sentence he got? >> i agree with heather's analysis. we have to look at the trial that occurred here and there are some appealable issues. friends of his came in to testify that he admitted to having sexual relations with the girl. lewd messages that he posted online came into play at the trial. arguably a lot of those things could have been suppressed. it is possible his appeal could be granted. this is very unfortunate circumstance. there is also admissions by the girl that they were having positive relations after the sexual act occurred. so the jury did not find that it was non-consensual. so a lot of this just boils down to the fact of underage issue. and perhaps a lot of things that came into play at the trial. martha: cautionary tale for all young people who constantly, communicate with each other over text messages and on facebook, that all of this can and will come into play if there is accusation of sexual misconduct on part of a party here. what about the fact that the judge, heather, said that lebrie was not credible and quote a very good liar. is that fair? >> to my mind what the judge did was step on what the jury was doing in this case. it is jury's job to determine credibility. the judge's job to determine the law. for him to speak out he did not find the witness credible that really should have no bearing whether or not the sentence is appropriate. i think judge was frustrated by this young man. the judge probably felt young man was guilty of counts he was not found guilty of. i don't think it was his place to say his opinion at that particular time. martha: interesting. i want to get quick thoughts from you both on coach kennedy we covered this story. at end of the games routinely goes to the middle of the field and take as knee. over time, both teams, his own and other team came out there with him to pray. completely voluntary. now he is in a very tough situation. and losing his position at the school. let's play a little bit of coach kennedy from this morning on "fox & friends." >> it's really interesting that they gave me a couple different things. you can go hide in the press box or go, give you a room somewhere where no one can see you, like, i should be ashamed of my faith. i should have to hide it. that sound very discrime tour and just wrong as an american. martha: deborah, they told him go somewhere private or go into closet or under bleachers to pray but don't do it where somebody can see you. he will keep doing what he believes and he believes it's a freedom of speech issue and they have suspended him, deborah. what is next. >> there is separation of church and state in the united states of america and told multiple times to stop praying. obviously made somebody feel uncomfortable. religion and spirituality is beautiful but this is public high school. you're not supposed to have open prayer sessions on a football stadium, at a football stadium. that is what is happening here. martha: a lot of people disagree with that we have breaking news. ladies, thank you very much. we'll see you next time. bill: this again is a major headline, breaking news on the u.s. role in syria. reports that special-ops forces will be sent there. waiting for an update from the white house and pentagon what this move means. that is next. here. ant than your health. or the freedom to choose what doctor you want to see. so if you have medicare parts a and b, consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, these let you choose any doctor who accepts medicare patients. you're not stuck in a network, because there aren't any. plus, these plans help cover some of the part b medical expenses medicare doesn't pay. so why wait? 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did trump hit a ceiling? is jeb bush on offense working? we have in depth analysis on political angles. new batch of hillary clinton emails come today. what might we learn from those. four questions for linted sy gram. he may be lowdown in the polls but anything but low profile. he joins us live top of the hour. bill: thank you, back to breaking news. reports on u.s. role in syria will be expanded. reports that special-ops will be sent to that country. we're also told by way of a white house official, kevin corke working the story, that there is not, right now there is no announcement planned for white house. want to bring back in captain chuck nash. captain, getting our money from you today. 2030, couple dozen on the ground, how do they interface with russians and how do we split up the country, are we in raqqa or near raqqa, make sense of what our role could be, captain? >> those are all very good questions before, bill. as i said before i hope we thought this thing through because we'll be advising people who are fighting against the regime. those are the people who the russians are bombing right now. there is also a war against isis that russia says it's fighting isis. so there are multiple factions and multiple conflicts going on. we're not all on the same team here. so -- bill: are you suggesting the russians and putin is there, you wonder if we would be making the moves if he had not made moves he made last couple months? that the people we're sporting could be bombed by the russians? is that the suggestion here? >> they have been being bombed by the russians and united states through the state department has made protests to the foreign secretary lavrov, to basically don't bomb these people. russians will not listen to that. they're there to support their ally, bashar al-assad. they will be attacking those people. we, those people were trained by cia, free syrian army. we've been dropping weapons to them. now we'll send in u.s. advisors on the ground with them. the russians are bombing them. if the russians bomb us or say we set up a no-fly zone to protect them and russians fly into it, people saying no-fly zone, take out syrian air defense not prerequisite -- bill: it's a mess. you lay it out very well. captain, thank you. by the way, no intention, we're told of long-term large-scale combat operation. >> bill, if i can one thing. bill: quickly. >> there is old saying you can ignore reality but you can't ignore consequences of ignoring reality. we've ignored it too long. bill: more coming up from wash on this in a moment. .. >> you have to get your costume can't. jenna: you need to get yours on as well. are you going to share? 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