0 expanded several abusive programs. inside the white house they would deny the way he's framing this and claims it is not the president's fault that this got leaked. there are people in the white house nervous that snowden could have more sensitive documents. bill: meanwhile he has a google hangout. martha: senator rand paul with more harsh words on the government spy issue. he's been one of the most outspoken critics of this program all along. he was on sean hannity last night and had this to say. >> he's losing his moral authority to lead the nation. people don't like hypocrisy. he said he would protect our privacy. and he appeared to care. and he says he does, but he does the opposite. then you have the director of intelligence looks straight at a senator and says we are not collecting any data on americans and the truth is they are collecting a billion phone calls every day. martha: senator paul is heading efforts to file a class action lawsuit against the nsa. bill: you have got public opinion seems to be swaying against snowden. a majority of americans believes the government should pursue a criminal case against snowden. 54% say yes. 38% say no, 8% don't know. martha: it's called mehta data. it's data about your data. when it comes to who we speak the lines start to get blurred. the nsa is able to collect the phone numbers and serial numbers of the phones involved in conversations. they can tell the time you made the caught and the length of the call. if you are using a cell phone, where you were when you made that call through gps tracking. web searches and who you e-mail are also collected but none of the content of those e-mails is being roaded. according to edyard snowden this kind of metadata goes on all day every day except when it comes to finding him. bill: flenty of it can fit into a massive fortified data center in utah. it's five times the size of the capitol building in washington. it can hold a yottabyte of data. it's one septillion or 1,000 years of all internet traffic. martha: the nsa leak is one of the many scandals taking its toll on president obama's popularity. look at these numbers. the president's approval rating fell 8 points in one month. byron york joins me. chief political correspondent for the "washington examiner." right after this happened the talk was he was holding up pretty well. doesn't appear to be that way when you see these numbers. >> you are seeing a delayed reaction to public opinion. it takes a while for news to sink in with the public. a number of people think the irs scandal has been directed by washington has been going up. the original story there were just a few rogue agents in cincinnati. but now you are seeing a growing number of people who believe it was directed by higher ups in washington and that will bring down the president's ratings. martha: some people have called for the president to come out, wrap his arms around the situation. talk to the american people about it. we did see that maybe that's the format he's turning to to try to turn the tide. will that be enough? >> it depends on the facts of the case. if we find out the nsa has more people under surveillance or is collecting more information than we think. a news report will change public opinion. it takes a while, but it does change the. as far as the irs is concerned. we don't know if it went into the white house. if the facts of the case point towards the white house the president won't be able to spin it in a happy direction. martha: this an rcp average. the green line is the president's approval and the red is disapproval. you can see that he's under water here for the first time in a very long time. 46.4% approval numbers. if purchase working in the west wing. how are you feeling about those numbers and back to that. what do you do to try to turn the tide? do you try to re rev up the bas? and try to draw attention to somewhere else? >> he's trying that. there hasn't been any good news for the president. not only does bad news push his ratings down. he doesn't have the good news to get supporters excited to push it up. he failed to achieve gun control. he failed to stop sequestration. these are things that disappointed and demoralized those who supported him. that's why he's pushing so hard to hope that immigration reform passes. so far he has had bad news without any of the good news that night counteract it. bill: those lines cross towards the end of may and they crossed the first week of june when all of this started to hit the fan. we are just getting rolling. this is about as rare as they come. the head of the nsa talking about his agency's surveillance program and how he believes it's kept americans safe. we'll talk to one of the lawmakers taking part and ask them what he wants to hear from general alexander. you will see that coming up live. martha: did attorney general eric holder lie to congress? it's a big issue. new details on what eric holder is saying now and the latest on the possibility of furnlg are you charges. the comairpman of the judiciary committee joins us on that now infamous testimony. >> why was it necessary to subpoena the telephone records. did you seek the ap's assistance in the first place and if not why not. >> i don't know what happened there with interaction between the ap and the justice department.