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you have no track record on that, that we can trust thaw you're going to do that. >> this is something that was crafted for massachusetts. it would be wrong to adopt this as a nation. it's not -- >> you're shaking your head. that happens to be -- >> you're allowing the -- you're allowed -- >> you had your chance, let me speak. rich? >> whether you throw out the existing code and put in our plan, you're still going to pay that. that's apples and oranges. >> i like your response, herman, but person by person, return by return, middle income people see higher taxes on your plan. the idea that you stand before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocrisy. >> you say you knew -- >> please -- are you going to keep talking or let me finish with what i had to say? look, rick, i -- >> i follow the rules. >> this has been a last couple of tough debates for rick, and i understand that, so you're going to get testy bill: there is a lot more of that to go through over the next two hours. martha: absolutely. bill: our own referee is carl cameron, he was up late last night in vegas with us. i want to start with rick perry. he came out swinging. what was his strategy going into -- going into the night? error reporter he had to be a-- had to be the aggressor, he wanted his momentum restored after the last couple of months and the perry believes that romney is thin-skinned and highly vulnerable and rick perry's strength is as a very aggressive candidate. so perry attacked, where roy is weak, and that's what we saw last night. the attack on illegal immigration stems from what was a published story, in fact, five years ago, that when romney was living in massachusetts he hired a lawn care company that had hired illegal aliens unbee knownst to him, that's what caused this real spark of perry's aggression last night. >> you stood here in front of the american people and did not tell the truth, that you had illegals working on your property, and the newspaper came to you and brought it to your attention and still a year later had those individuals working for you. the idea that you can sit here and talk about any of us having immigration issues is beyond me. >> you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking, and i suggest that if you want to become president of the united states, you got to let both people speak, so first, let me speak. >> romney seemed a little flustered while he was obviously trying to put perry down, and sort of silence the interruptions. for mr. romney, being the center of attention reasserts he's the frontrunner because he did take most of the attacks last night, but because perry was so much the aggressor it's beginning to look more like that 2-person race is resuming. bill: now you have perry and romney. what about her main cain? because he was facing a lot of criticism coming into last night. how much heat did he take when it comes to 999 and defending that economic plan, carl? >> reporter: he took a lot of it, bill. there was criticism from virtually all of his rivals, one by one, they all went after his 999 plan, call it -- calling it impractical, something that couldn't be implemented or pounding it because it includes a national tax and they disagreed with that. even mitt romney weighed in on the 999 plan and talked about his own analysis of it, saying it would ultimately raise taxes on lower income and middle income taxpayers. for herman cain, it was clearly a sign that he remains competitive, because so much attention was given to his 999 plan, but it was not the type of breakout performance he had in the last couple. there is a sense among the campaigns, as well as a lot of their supporters, that the romney-perry battle is now again the marquee bout in vegas and across the country, it's back to that whole 2-man race dynamic that the other candidates so hate us talking about. bill: back in the ring they go. thank you toeing -- for setting the table. martha: so much to talk about this morning with all of this. with all that fighting we saw last night, former house speaker newt gingrich at times sort of tried to function as a peacemaker among the group. he told the candidates at one point, settle down a little bit. take look. >> let me point out a second that maximizing bickering is probably not the road to the white house, and the technique you used maximizes going back and forth, over and over again. martha: there we go ahead, the analysis of newt gingrich of the way things were run and most of that bickering as you saw last night, definitely involved going after mitt romney and him fighting back. we're going to talk to andrea saul, his press secretary, we'll see what the talk is within the romney camp this morning about how all of that really went for him. bill: we mentioned so much to go through today. we are going to hear from the candidates themselves over the next two hours, three to be precise, ron paul is here to talk about his plan to cut a trillion dollars from the federal budget, michele bachmann, live on our impassioned plea to mothers last night, remember, she said moms toward the end of that debate, and the one candidate who was not there, jon huntsman skipped it. you'll find out why he was a no show and why he calls it a game show last night. he wasn't in nevada, he was in new hampshire. all that coming up. martha: that was a critical decision for him. we're going to talk to him about whether or not he thinks it was a wise one at this point and what he thinks about his standing in the polls this morning. before taking aim at mitt, the candidates focus on the surging herman cain who had a huge week over the course of the last seven days, he's a new top tier candidate as of about a week or so ago, the former businessman was trying to fend off the attacks on his proposed 999 plan. here's a sample of that. >> they're wrong about it being a value added tax. we simply remove the hidden taxes that are in goods and services with our plan, and replace it with a single 9 percent. i invite every family to do your own calculations with that arithmetic. >> i don't think so, her main. it's not going to fly. >> 84 percent of americans would pay more taxes under his plan. >> it is a regressive tax. so it's very, very dangerous n. that it will raise more revenues. >> ultimately, that becomes a value added tax. it's a hidden tax. martha: all right. so that's just a chunk of the back and forth on all of that. what's the truth here? what would this plan actually mean for americans? it would scrap the current tax stevment that's why he talked about apples and oranges, he says we're not talking about what's already there. then it would replace it with a 9 percent corporate tax rate, a 9 percent personal income tax rate and a 9 percent federal sales tax. now, that plan ultimately calls for replacing the individual and corporate income taxes down the road in the second stage of all of this, with a so-called fair tax. so let's bring in stu varney, our good buddy to help sort this out for us. do the other candidates, are they right that it would be on top of, for instance, the state sales tax? >> yes. that is that is correct. -- that is correct. look, if you ask the question would more people pay more in tax under the 999 plan, the answer is yes. at the moment, half of those people who work pay no federal income tax at all. bring in 999, and those people would be caught, certainly by the 9 percent consumption or sales tax, and maybe also by the 9 percent income tax, depending upon where the cutoff was. now, that is a political profnlt whenever you extend the tax base, and more people pay more in tax, that is a different in selling that politically. but it has economic advantages, in that the 999 plan retains incentives for people that go out and make more money, know exactly what you're going to pay in tax, and also, it's very easy to understand. everybody knows what 999 is, in contrast to the rather more complicated plans from some of the other candidates. martha: one of the -- one of the points that he tried to get across at one point, stuart, was that if corporations, a -- corporations, some who pay zero percent tax would actually start paying 9 percent tax, and that many of the taxes that create those huge fat books of tax regulations and laws wouldn't exist anymore, and his -- this is the one that's a little bit difficult to see happening, but that ultimately, it would cost price of goods in this country to go down because those taxes that the companies are paying would not be passed on to the consume every. does that hold water with you? >> that's a tough one to actually work through. would that really happen. the taxes on manufacturers and service providers which are paid now, according to herman cain, would be wiped away, replaced with a simple 9 percent tax at the point of consumption. well, would the manufacturers and service providers eat that, the taxes, or would they pass along the lower taxes. you know, would they do that, is that a realistic thing to expect. martha: if the competition started to do it. but we will see. stuart, thank you. really interesting back and forth on that 999 last night. bill: got some breaking news out of ohio. police are shooting to kill, as they hunt down more than a dozen dangerous animals now on the loose. these are bears and lions and tigers. in zanesville, they found the other than of 40 exotic pets dead in his home and four different school district versus closed and police are warning people to stay inside there. >> nobody really knows what an animal out of a caged area would do. >> on the property, there were leopards, lions, and tiger, mountain lions, but that's a different species of cat, wolves, grizzly bears and black cares. >> school is canceled for the day. make sure your kids are not out, make sure they're not in the wooded areas and make sure they're familiar with their surroundings. bill: the sun is just up there in east central ohio. that officer, by the way, is going to join us next hour, and then police hold a news conference at 10:00 eastern time, that's about 45 minutes from now. we'll bring you information as we get it. martha: caution, exotic animal, that doesn't happen every day. we also want to get thank you, fox news alert, we're just getting wind of coming out of texas. just moments ago, there are reports of a potential bomb scare and a terror alert after an attempted break-in at the san antonio courthouse. reports that two men tried to break into the courthouse, both described as french moroccan muslim, that's the description that has just come across on these two suspects. we're also hearing that investigators found documents and photos of shopping malls and courthouses and other public buildings in the area. so you can see why this situation is raising serious concerns this morning about possible terrorism. so we're going to keep a close eye on that,gate you more details on that one. bill: we told you things are hopping and they are. those are some of the stories we're watching now. his own administration says it is unsustainable but only days after drop ago major part of the health care law, president obama says he wants it back in. in a moment we'll talk to a senator who calls the move a budget gimmick. martha: and the president embracing the wall street protests, saying that they are just like the tea party in many ways. we're going to debate that, as mitt romney says it's the president's fault that our economy is in such bad shape. here's a piece of that from last night. >> we can spend our time talking about what happened three years ago and what the cause was of our collapse but let's talk about what's happened over the last three years. we've had a president responsible for this economy for the last three years, and he's failed us. martha: you're going to see amazing pictures of a rescue of a child trapped in a -- trapped in a well. look at these picture the, this little boy fell all wait down that well. he was playing with friends. this happened in china. he was trapped down there. look at that little boy, down there for more than an hour with 18 inches of breathing room and the rescuers eventually were able to get him up, into the arms of his grateful family. look at that little sweetheart. we don't know. apparently -- he looks to be fine, they're checking him out at the hospital now. no word on his condition. >> there's a pretty good support up here for getting rid of omabacare because it's a democratic proposal, and we want to opt out. i think we'd all agree on this. but if you want better competition and better health care, you should allow the american people to opt out of government medicine. bill: well, president obama's health care overhaul was under fire again last night and now there's new fallout after the president says he wants to keep a big part of that new law, even though his administration says it's financially unsustainable. republican senatorgan barrasso is an orthopedic surgeon, and sir, thank you for being back. you put out a report with very strong language. you say the white house knew about this all along, this long term insurance plan that was in the health care law, you called it a budget gimmick. how so? >> well, they spengsly knew this and intentionally misled the american people to say that this health care law was going to pay for itself. it was absolutely one of their bookkeeping tricks that they used and this is unaffordable, it's unsustainable, but it just shows this health care law is unraveling, it's imploding, it's falling apart piece by piece. bill: how can you prove that they knew this the entire time, sir? >> well, you know, even kent conrad, a democrat on the senate floor, he said that this way, this scheme, where they were going to collect money for the first five years and not pay out anything, was -- he said it was like a ponzi scheme that even bernie madoff would be proud of. people knew from day one. bill: who knew? >> that this was going to -- i think everyone thinking member of the united states senate knew that this was a budget trick that they could use to try to sell the american people a health care law that i believe is bad for patients, bad for providers, the nurses and doctors who take care of those patients, and bad for our taxpayers. bill: you're charging that they were cooking the books. >> absolutely. bill: they're going to come to you and say how do you prove it, and how do you prove it? >> it's now taken the department of health and human services almost 19 month toss look at this and come to the same conclusion. i think they knew it all along. but the president, rather than to admit that he was wrong, is now saying he wants to go ahead with this. but just like his bus bor -- bus tour, he has a so-called jobs plan, and he says it's paid for. i really have great concerns about anything he says about how the money works, because i think that he continues to lead this country further and further into debt with his polices, which have been very bad for our economy. bill: kathleen sebelius says it's out, the white house, as you referred to -- that the white house is hedging on this. is it in or is it out? >> it needs to be out, and i am ready to vote to repeal it. we have a bill in the house, a bill in the senate. it's actually a bipartisan bill in the house, to repeal this entire portion of the health care law. but i want to repeal the entire health care law. i've introduced legislation to let everyone opt out, to let everyone have a waiver from the health care law so that they don't have to live under the mandates of this obama health care law. bill: one more thing, if the long term insurance clause that we're discussing today, it's known by the acronym class, if that is out, what does it do to the overall law? >> well, i still think the overall law is unconstitutional. i don't think that this government has a right to come into your home and tell you you have to buy a product, and the supreme court will be making a decision about that. >> bill: understood, but in the short term, on this particular provision, if it's not in there, how does it affect the law? >> the law still stands. i want to take this entire law apart and if i have to do it piece by piece, bill, that's what i'm going to continue to work on. bill: senator, thank you for your time, the republican from wyoming. >> thank you. bill: senator barrasso, thanks. martha: two of the top united states banks are announcing new rounds of trouble. they're losing money, they are going to cut more jobs. what this really means for where we are headed. bill: also new information this morning. is there a possible break in the case of missing 11 month old lisa irwin? what a new police search warrant could mean for this case. >> two weeks ago you had a normal life. >> yeah. well, yeah. >> and how have things changed since then? >> everything has changed. we don't have her. so everything is different. sorry. bill: hear can cain suggested we build an electric fence along the u.s. border surging -- discouraging illegal immigration out of mexico, he later said he was kidding around, just a joke but last night, he made no apologies about making the law tougher. >> i don't apologize at all for want to go protect the american citizens and to protect our agents on the border. >> we must shut the back door so people can come in the front door. secondly, promote the existing path of citizenship to cleaning up the bureaucracy in washington, d.c. thirdly, enforce the laws, the immigration laws that are already on the book, empower the states to do what the federal government is not doing in terms of enforcing those laws. bill: cain also saying his plan might also require an increased number of boots on the ground, be it mexico, california, texas. martha: back to that in a moment. first we want to tell but this. america's financial powerhouses, feeling the pinch once again of this weak economy. bank of america, losing its title as biggest u.s. bank by assets. meanwhile, goldman sachs reporting a nearly $430 million loss in the third quarter. that is a major blow to that investment bank. cheryl casone joins me. what does this means, the banks had been fairly healthy through the course of this since 2008. are we headed in that direction again? >> there is a fear certainly that u.s. banks are going to be back into some type of crisis mode as we were back in 2008. you mentioned the goldman sachs loss, martha, they made $1.9 billion in the same quarter a year ago, 2010. we have not seen goldman sachs have a loss like this since the fall of 2008, the same time frame when lehman brothers was bankrupt, so that's one concern on the investment banking side. then you mentioned bank of america, the ceo, brian moynahan saying i need to scale back, they're laying 30,000 people off, because they don't want to be so big and have so much risk on the books, and they've got a lot of mortgage problems as well. we're still talking about mortgage, fear, talking about credit and add europe into the mix and it's a toxic soup that's being created right now. martha: some of these moves may be, as he says, to sort of get them letle lean, so they can deal with the tough times to come. but what about the regulations they're dealing with? and they've got more that will be implemented. are those going to hurt these big institutions? >> that's the big question now. you've got the volcker rule, how is that going to be imle minuted, what does that look like, named after paul volcker and dodd-frank, all these to protect the consumer, to make sure if you're going to be a bank backed by the fdic you're not going to be putting taxpayer money at risk and that's fine and good, but the fear is that's going to eat into the revenues even more of the banks and at the end of the day, they are profit house, that's why they are stocks that are traded every day, martha. there's a lot of questions right now. martha: crerl, thank you very much -- thank you very much for answering some of them for us this morning. bill: opening bell in moment, meanwhile, there is breaking news on a wild police chase for dozens of exotic, mature and aggressive animalling -- animal, talking about tiger, bear, wolves, giraffes? the sheriff of that town joins us with brand new osmtion on the hunt this morning. there are four school districts closed as a result. martha: plus there's a man who says last night's republican presidential debate was a, quote, game show in his opinion. he says wanted no part of it. candidate jon huntsman on why he skipped vegas and if he still thinks this morning that that was the right move. we'll talk to him in a few minutes. >> to beat president obama, we have to have somebody who's been in the private sector, understands the fragility of the free market system, has been a successful governor as it relate toss job creation and knows something about this world. martha: well, big gop debate last night in las vegas giving rit mitt romney a chance to respond to attacks on his faith, governor rick perry said he didn't agree with the comments regarding calling more onism a cult. >> with regard to the disparaging comments about my faith, i've heard worse, so i'm not going to lose sleep over that. >> that idea that we should choose people based upon their religion for public office is what i find to be most troubling, because the founders of this country went to great lengths to make sure, and even put in the constitution, that we would not choose people who represent us in government based upon their religion. that's bedrock principle. martha: all right. so jon huntsman joins me now, he of course is also running for president for the gop nomination, he's also a mormon and chose not to attend last night's republican presidential debate. we're going to talk about that. good morning governor huntsman, good to see you. >> good to be with you, thank you for the opportunity. martha: thank you for coming, appreciate it. first off, just your reaction to that interchange, as a member of the church of latter day saints, what's your reaction? >> it is so a waste of time, it is nonsensical to ceas our political discussion and bandwidth on one's personal beliefs. some wear their religion on their sleeve, i wear it in my heart, we hsk in a country where the ethos is pursuit of happiness and where we wouldn't take that time to talk about job creation and curing our role in the 21st century but instead on religion is completely nonsense. martha: so we will move on here as well so the other topics that are at hand and are so important, as you point out. you weren't there last night, you called it a game show that was going on in nevada. why did you call it that and why did you choose not to go? >> well, i chose not to go based on principle, march that. i'm standing in solidarity with the people here in new hampshire. the first primary in the nation, the new hampshire primary, is the window through which the american people are able to get to know candidates in a most unfiltered way. no straw poll, no artificialiality, this is the cap daipts in front of real voters who want to drill down on the issues. given what nevada has done most recent lerks fueled by the political motives of one candidate, mr. romney, jumping ahead in the schedule, thereby making this new hampshire primary less salient and relevant, i say this is completely nonsense and it's a disservice to the people not just of new hampshire, but of the united states, where for 100 years now we've grown to rely upon this window called the new hampshire primary, for people who don't have the fund, for people who don't have the name, but have a message that is important for this country, they can come here to new hampshire, and this is the effect politically. i'm standing here in solidarity with the people of new hampshire and boycotting the nevada caucus. martha: there was something that happened last night with herman cain with regard to a question about the deal that was made between israel and the palestinians, and the exchange, and you have a lot of experience in foreign affairs as former ambassador to china and singapore, and i want to play what happened there and i want to get your response to what you would do as president in the same position. let's listen. >> i would have a policy that we do not negotiate with terrorists, we have to lay that principle down first. the point that i made about this particular situation is that i'm sure prime minister benjamin netanyahu had to consider a lot of things before he made that, so on the surface, i don't think we can say he did the right thing or not. a responsible decision maker would have considered everything. martha: a lot of outcry based on what herman cain said about the fact that he would consider exchanging all the prisoners at gitmo in a hostage exchange situation. what goes through your mind when you hear that and what do you say about it? >> first of all, it's a presidential primary that is really de void of any kind of intelligence discussion on foreign policy. prime minister netanyahu had its own interests, he was holding his cards, he knew exactly what he was doing. as for the united states during this time, what we need to do more than anything else, martha, is stand shoulder to shoulder with israel, at time when the world is watching, at a time when there is great flux and uncertainty in the middle east, and remind the world what it means to be a friend and ally of the united states. the world has forgotten what it means to be a friend and ally of the united states. we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with israel, particularly during this time of jirnty e. to remind the world that there is no blue sky between the united states and israel, that they may make these decisions domestically that serves whatever security needs they have, but in the meanwhile, we as a country are going to reflect on the importance of that alliance, the security arrangement they have and do everything we can to bolster our economic relationship. martha: i want to ask you something on a personal level because you're obviously an accomplished man, executive of huntsman and ambassador to china and sing toro singapore and as governor. how do you feel about the fact that you've been sort of unable to stack up against somebody who, you know, used to run godfather's pizza and who has none of the experience that you have? >> well, it shows, martha, how fickle these polls are, because mr. cain was right about where we are in the polls, about a week and a half to two weeks ago, so all i'm doing is building a strong substantive base here in new hampshire, where the entire country will turn in the weeks ahead, because of the importance and the salin e -- salience of this primary house and when they look at what we've done, town meeting by town meeting, when the country begins to look at who's moving in new hampshire and the reasons why, you're going to see these polls change again. we've had i think five frontrunners in the last four to five weeks. martha: we sure have. governor huntsman, it's good to have you with us today. i know new hampshire is where you've put a lot of eggs in your basket and we'll see how it goes. thank you for talking to you today. >> pleasure to be with you, thank you very much. martha: thanks tom. still to come, congresswoman michele bachmann is going to be here, she's going talk about how she did last night and a big comment about a comment she said about moms in america. and congressman ron paul here, pushing for $1 trillion in government cuts. >> a lot of what was talked about last night in nevada, you wonder if the people in nevada heard enough about issue number one, and that's the economy, about jobs in america. this is a state what's been absolutely wrecked over the past three years with the economic downturn here and the state of nevada -- by the way on the map, the deeper the red the more trouble you have as a state, the lighter color in the green, the better off you're doing and there's not a lot of green on this map and will not be for some time, but in nevada the unemployment rate has skyrocketed, 13.4%, national unemployment is 9.1%. go back three years, november of 200 #, nevada has lost # 2000 jobs going back to when americans voted. the unemployment rate has increased every month this year, going back to may of 2011. the state has the highest unemployment rate among the states for 16 consecutive months. as of june of this year, 60 percent of the mortgages in nevada were under water, meaning the homeowners in that state owe more on the property than the home is worth now. and you think about historically how the state that is gone, you go back to 2004, there were between george bush and john kerry, red by the way is republican, blue is democrat, there were # hundred thousand votes cast, bush won nevada by 18,000 votes, two points over john kerry, in 2008, a bit of a different picture, against mccain, barack obama did not have much of a problem, he won it by 12 points, 55-43 percent. so it's a state that flipped between 2004 and 2008. we'll see whether or not in time they heard enough about what happened there, on the economy, on the real estate, so critical for jobs in nevada. martha: speaking of nevada, what would sin city be like with a debate without mr. las vegas, right? wayne newton himself, if you caught him in the front row, the legendary crooner on hand. after words he went on the record with greta and says he is a big fan of michele bachmann. >> i don't have to tell you how proud i was of this lady, because not only did she hold her own, but she kind of stood alone, and i'm not talking about being female, i'm talking about the wonderful things and view that she has for america. bill: how about that. martha: very cozy little shot with wayne newton and michelle bawgman. bill: i do a lot of karaoke in my time. you know i lovea, baby! martha: he sings all the time at commercial breaks. bill: right! >> ♪ >> ♪ >> bill: thank you mr. newton, sir. checking the markets, real quick, treading water, stocks are open, and what, are we off seven points? that's not much, right? had a hammer of a day yesterday, the new home construction came out, we were up 180 points in trading tuesday but disappointing earnings after stocks closed 4:00 eastern time, giving some industries some pause. martha: in the meantime, president obama compares the wall street protests to the tea party. in that -- is that a fair comparison? bill: also, school is canceled and roads are closed and the folks are warned to stay indoors. look at this sign. some big and aggressive exotic animals have escaped from a park in ohio. we're about to get brand new details on that hunt this morning. >> it's dangerous. >> high potential. these are wild animals. wild animals that you would see on tv. in after cavment i mean, that's the way i look at it. martha: all right, back on a busy morning, lots going on around the world. want to show you that quick shot in athens, greece, where the police are just storming through that road, and there are smoke bombs also being used to disperse that crowd there, as they continue to teal with their serious economic woes that have caused a lot of violence in the streets. we'll keep an eye on that. bill: what do you think of that. president obama embrace the occupy wall street protests in new york, and in an interview with abc news, the president compared those protestors to the tea party movement. listen: >> i understand the frustrations that are being expressed in those protests. in some ways, they're not that different from some of the protests that we saw coming from the tea party. you know, both on the left and the right. i think people feel separated from their government. they feel that their institutions aren't looking out for them. bill: what about all that, former new york senator al fonz d 'amato, fair comparison? >> total nonsense. it's not a fair comparison. the fact of the matter is people are frustrated and there's a great deal of sympathy in the nation with their frustrations because of the unemployment prorks because people are fearful of the future, even those who are working, and the underemployed, and when you have about 9.1% unemployment, but closer to 20 percent, when you think of the people who no longer -- millions of people no longer looking for jobs, they're not counted in, the underemployed, it is more symbolic of what is taking place throughout the world. take a look at europe. you just mentioned greece. italy has had them. france has had them. england has had these protests, with people coming out, because the worldwide economy is in trouble. we have been living an indulgent lifestyle and people don't like to give up or cut back, but they're going to have to. bill: they're going to have to, too. i'm going to get back to this comparison because this came up last night in the debate about occupy wall street, listen to a few, from cain, paul, romney: >> we didn't put in failed economic policy, wall street didn't spend a trillion dollars that didn't do any good, wall street isn't going around the country trying to sell $450 billion. they ought to be over in front of the white house taking out their frustrations. >> we can't blame the victims but we also have to point -- i'd go washington, as well as wall street. i'd go over to the federal reserve. >> let's talk about what happened over the last three years. we've had a president responsible for this economy for the last three years, and he's failed us. bill: now, what they were talking about has to do with a combination of policy and also the movement that we're watching in new york and other cities. >> sure. bill the tea party effected change in law, and that was the movement that we all saw borne out of the economic polices over the past 2 1/2 years. do you see the protestors on wall street or whenever they are doing the same thing? >> no. bill: you do not? >> no. >> bill: is there a danger for the republican party not to embrace at least a part of what these protests are asking for? >> well, the fact of the matter is, i think in the response to both cain and the response of ron paul, they really did identify exactly what's taking place. it's not wall street that's going to allow themselves billions and billions of more debt, it's the federal reserve, it's a question of polices that are coming from the government. should people be angry at wall street, sure, there were excesses but don't blame it all on them. what about the rating agencies, where were they when this was going on? what about the federal government and its failure as it related to this debacle? we are saying buy homes, even if you don't have any money, even if you don't have a job, even if you don't have credit. so who is responsible? so people are angry. it's not the same thing as a group that is looking for change and then spell it is out, whether you agree with the tea party or not, they spell out what they want. bill: we'll see how long these last. a lot of people say where were you three years ago when the bailouts happened and came down the line. thank you, al d 'ata -- d 'amato. martha: president obama is trying to sell the jobs plan but will his friends show up to the party? why some high profile democrats are keeping their distance. bill: also all those candidates hitting mitt romney. how did mitt hit back, we wonder. >> you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking, and i suggest that if you want to become president of the united states, you got to let both people speak. so first, let me speak. martha: followup on this fox news alert out of texas, the fbi confirming to fox they have made two arrests following an attempted break-in at the bexar county courthouse in san antonio, that break-in triggered a potential bomb scare and terror alert, two men described as french moroccan muslims are reportedly involved and they found documents of shopping malls, courthouses and other buildings in the area. that raised alarm bells there and we've got new developments coming on that. bill: also news on the economy breaking an hour ago, social security recipients getting their first raise in their checks since 2009, benefits rise 3.6% come january, this includes an increase in the cost of living wage and it will affect about one in five seniors. martha: there is key testimony expected today at the manslaughter trial as michael jackson's doctor gets underway. adam housley is live from los angeles. court has been off a couple of days. why the delay, adam? >> reporter: the final witness, dr. stephen schafer will on the stand today. thursday the judge gave friday off because he had a fire speaking enghaijt, dr. stephen schafer, then there was a problem over the weekend. over the weekend, there were issues with his personal life and then monday the judge allowed the court to be canceled because of that, then tuesday it was canceled, martha, because there was a new test that came out from the coroner's office, so the judge said all right, we'll give the defense a day, so now we're on track with this final witness today here at the courthouse. martha: adam, today the witness is expected to be the last for the prosecution, and then where do we go from there? >> reporter: yeah -- we have court off tomorrow because the judge wants to give the defense more time to prepare their case and again to look at that new test that came in from the coroner's office, new toxicology test, on on friday the defense case is expected to begin, probably 15 witnesses or so, they're going to call their own character witnesses talking about dr. murray, their propofol expert, as well as detectives from the l.a.p.d. and it's going to be interesting to see how they go about the defense of dr. murray because the prosecution has been pretty successful in laying out their case so far. martha: they've got a tall order in front of them for the defense. adam, thank you very much. bill: there are developments now in the search for lisa irwin, she's an 11 month old infant, kansas city police now are outside the parents' home with a search warrant in hand. we'll tell you why in a moment. martha: the candidates on fire last night in las vegas, but michelle bachmann, making this appeal to one specific group: >> i just want to say one thing to moments all across america tonight. this is a real issue. it's got to be solved. martha: congress up, what issue congressman bachmann was talking about when she joins us live, and congressman ron paul is here. big lineup on "america's newsroom". we'll be right back. . hey, did you ever finish last month's invoices? 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>> it was shocking, i know. when governor romney reached out to governor perry's shoulder i really did think, look out, we could be dropping dogs here pretty soon. martha: is he going to say something like, mitt, can you please take your hand off my shoulder but he didn't. but he didn't. i'm sure it took a lot of restraint. that is interesting moment. one of the big questions i had going into this, bret, whether rick perry could put himself back on the map. let's look at a little piece of rick perry last night and we'll get your thoughts. >> go to new hampshire where they don't have the a sales tax and you're fixing to give them one. they're not interested in 9-9-9. what they're interested in flatter and fairer. at end of the week i will be laying out a plan, that clearly i will bump plans with you brother, and we'll see who has the best idea how you get this country working again. martha: what do you think? >> well, listen, governor perry definitely made a mark last night. he was far more energized than he was in any of the previous debates. he set himself up to again be the challenge to governor romney from the right. and a lot of people say, this was his moment to get back into this race after some dismal debate performances. last night he didn't hit it out of the park but clearly his supporters think this is the beginning of a long run where we won't have a debate for about a month. he has a lot of cash on hand that he can kind of resuscitate his campaign. i think his attacks on governor romney, while governor romney responded substantively very well even on the illegal hires in that lawn company he went through back in 2007, there was still this getting under governor romney's skin and really affecting his attitude. martha: yeah. >> and seeing him get flustered was something that gop primary voters had not seen. >> it was fascinating to sort of look inside the personality of these men up there and that really does matter as well. for the guy who will be or woman who may be the next president of the united states. very interesting. i got to go. i thought it was fascinating he said i will have a plan on that coming out in a few days. that's what we heard last time around. gee, would have thought learned lesson that doesn't go over very well. better to get a plan out earlier. >> one of these debates the plan will actually be there at the debate. martha: got it right here. bret, thanks so much. always great to hear your thoughts on it. appreciate it. bill: apples, oranges all the produce is fine. mitt romney hit from all sides during the fiery debate. mitt romney's press secretary live with me in las vegas. good morning to you. thank you for your time. >> good morning. thanks for having me. bill: how did you think your man did last night? >> oh i thought he did great. yet again he has shown he is the one candidate that can take on president obama. not only can he take him on, once he is in office he has a plan to get this economy going again, get americans back to work and that's what he went into the debate to talk about. he was able to confidentially and thoroughly discuss what he will do to turn this economy around. bill: i want to roll two pieces of videotape here in a moment from separate interviews. one came this morning from david axelrod on "cbs news" who went right after mitt romney. your reaction after this. >> i think there's a sense there is no core to him. he said last night that his program, we modeled our health care program largely on what he did in massachusetts. now he says i never intend it to be a model for the nation. in 2007, he said this will be a model for the nation. and time and time and time again governor romney switches from one position to another apparently because he is running for office. bill: so he says he has no core. your reaction? >> come on. this is a president who failed to put americans back to work. there are more americans have been unemployed under this president than any president in modern history. it's ridiculous. of course they will distract from his record of failure on this economy. and, axelrod's comments are patently false. governor romney has been clear and consistent that he would never have a one-size-fits-all health care plan for the entire nation. he will repeal obama care the second he comes in office on day one, granting waivers to all 50 states so they get out from under the burden on the big government program. bill: you will have to defend this in the campaign as it continues to come up. other issue came from newt gingrich about the bickering back and forth. that was gingrich's word. listen here. reaction in a moment. >> can i point out a second, maximizing bickering is probably not not the road to the white house. the technique he use, going back and forth over and over again. bill: now did mitt romney take the bake in the wrong way last night? >> governor romney was passionate last night. he is not going to let anyone misrepresent his record, let's be clear on that. again, rick perry came into this debate as an athlete that lost the last couple games and was ready to pick a fight. we saw that didn't go over very well when the audience booed a number about of times. governor romney came in to talk about his economic plan. he was able to do that and defend his record. he will not take these false attacks lying down by any means. bill: thank you, andrea. >> thanks, bill. bill: representing mitt romney's team in las vegas. you're welcome. seven minutes past. martha: what about donald trump? what did he think how things went last night. he gave his take on the debate to sean hannity. he was surprised that romney's poll numbers haven't really budged. >> romney is a very, very competent guy. he has done the best at the debates. in my opinion he has done fantastically well at the debates. i think you start to see him go up but, i would say that he is disappointed that those numbers don't go up as much as they should be going based on his debate performances and based really on what he saying. martha: trump spoke highly of the other candidates. he expects to endorse one of them. who will will the lucky candidate be? that remains to be seen. maybe more breakfasts an lunches. bill: the time is starting to crunch a little bit. despite not running sarah palin keeping a close eye on the field. going on the record last night. her view with greta what she saw and heard. >> certainly americans in general are looking for eventually here that top candidate to start rising to the top so we can start concentrating on preparing the gop candidate to face obama in the debates in the general election and make sure that he is a one-term president. we didn't get that out of this debate to be honest with you, greta. i think americans would agree with me we're still looking for that candidate who will rise to the top and be the frontrunner. bill: all right. now still to come this morning, in this hour, minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann out of vegas. that is 20 minutes from now. right after that, texas congressman ron paul. their strategies and what they thought about last night's debate. there is a whole lot to talk about and you will hear from them. martha? >> this fox news alert right now on another story we're watching this morning. we're awaiting a news conference in zanesville ohio on a massive hunt. this is bizarre story. dozens of exotic animals are on the loose after escaping from a private reserve. laura engle joins us from the newsroom. we may have to go to it in it comes on live. >> reporter: local law enforcement armed with assault rifles hunting more than a dozen wild animals to get them contained and captured before anyone gets hurt. you mentioned that news conference. we're waiting that to start. we've been told by local reports that news conference has been delayed a little bit because a lion and grizzly bear are being surrounded and contained at a nearby property. here is the map where this is going down. officers found the animals cages open and the property owner dead at the animal farm in zanesville, ohio. there are reports terry thompson, the owner, recently released from jail after serving one year after possessing illegal firearms may have taken his own life. the local sheriff would say only, at this point, anything is possible at this time. local sheriff's deputies say so far 31 wild animals have been shot and killed. 14 more are still on the loose. they're issuing a strong warning to locals. >> just be aware. be aware of their surroundings. know that this is going on. schools is canceled today. make sure you know where your kids are at. make sure they're not out in the wooded areas. make sure they're not around the yards and make sure they're familiar with their surroundings. >> reporter: the preserve had lions, tilers cheetah yous wolves, giraffes and bears. there are multiple sightings of exotic animals. there are flashing signs. exotic animals. stay in vehicle. a law enforcement describing the wild animals as mature, very big and aggressive. staffers from the columbus zoo are patrolling the 40 acre farm in their cars. martha: we'll take you to that leif. let's listen to this in a moment. >> hopefully we'll be able to figure that out. we're recovering these dead animals. we're getting inventory of what we have and we're trying to get that number for you to get out to our public. i open up to questions. please when you ask a question, please identify yourself and answer your question. yes? >> [inaudible]. killing animals rather than tranquilizing them. >> that is a good question. i will be glad to answer that when our officers arrived on scene we had approximately one hour to half hour daylight. as officers got out of cruisers there were animals running lose outside of the fenced area. to set the table for you a little bit, mr. thompson had numerous cages up around his house and that's where these animals were kept at in the cages. it's a long drive. probably two foot ballfields i would say, three football fields i would say up to his driveway down to his front gate. the front gate is just off the main thorough way of kopec road. we had animals outside that fenced area along the road that were trying to get loose. i had deputies that had to shoot animals with their side arms at close range. that is how volatile this situation was. we are not talking about your normal, everyday house cat or dog. these are 300 pound bengal tigers we had to put down. when we got here, obviously public safety was my number one concern. i gave the order on the way here that if animals look like they were going out, they went down. we could not have animals running lose in this county. we were not going to have that. once we got here, realized the severity of the situation, we at that point started running into a problem with darkness. we again, we're not going to have animals running loose on this farm at night. we can document numerous animals that got over the fence, were out in the wooded areas outside the property that we have had to put down. we had officers down on the interstate that were preventing animals from crossing the internate -- interstate into our subdivisions and community. today when day time hit we went into the area. we've been evaluating and getting head counts. we've been recovering bodies. we just had a huge tiger, an adult tiger, estimating 300 pounds, that was very aggressive. we did get one of the vets close enough, unbelievably so, within 10 to 15 yards. got a tranquilizer in it. this thing went crazy. it started to take off. it headed away from us to the wooded area and our officers put it down. we didn't take a chance whether we got the dart in it and couldn't take a chance whether the thing would get loose out into the neighborhoods. that's why. that is some of the scenario that went down. the other issue we did not have any tranquilizer darts with us. we don't carry them. we have the wilding in our county that work with us very, very well. they know if we need them they will call. we had them coming immediately and we had them here in case we got animals in subdivisions not safe to shoot in we could take them out with tranquilizers. yes, ma'am? >> what animals still at large, what types of animals? do you know what they are or do you have an idea what you're looking for? >> i can not answer that question directly. i can tell you the main focus of animals at this establishment was wolves, all types of cat species. and i'm going to say tigers, bengal tigers, mountain lion, leopards and we had two species of bears, grizzly and black bears. those were the main, main animals that we have encountered and that is going to be the type of animal we're looking for once we get a count down. i can tell you also we did have some sort of cat hit on the interstate by a car, and the ohio state highway patrol is taking care of that accident. the animal was wounded and left there and they were going to take care of putting it down and taking it back to us for the count. yes? >> -- columbus. was the sheriff's department aware of this compound prior to last night's incident? >> yes, sir, yes, sir. for a lot of years. >> did you monitor it? >> we've handled numerous complaints here. we've done numerous inspections here. we brought in professionals from outside our county to look at this property to make sure it's safe. we checked to make sure they had the proper permits and were legal to have them here. i don't, please don't quote me. i'm going to say we have about 35 calls since 04-05 area we ran on our computer that we've been to mr. thompson's house for some sort of problem with the animals. anywhere from animals running at large to being not treated properly and such. this has been a huge problem for us for a lot of years. bill: this is a remarkable story developing. the town of zanesville, midway point between columbus and capitol city and west virgina to the east. wolves, cats, he says, all types of lions. 300 pound bengal tigers, black bears, grizzly bears now on the loose from this farm. the owner is he had did. police say self-inflicted gunshot took his life some time yesterday. four different school districts, not individual schools, but entire school districts are closed. we're going to bring that sheriff on our program. matthew lutz. we'll get latest from him as they literally track them down here. martha: tragic for the animals. they killed so many of them. they were apparently mistreated by the man. he was arrested for that. let's talk about another crazy story we've been following for you as we look at this wild political scene out there these days. democrats fighting to main control of the u.s. senate may be trying to keep some distance recently from president obama. right now several democrats are fighting for re-election in battleground states as well as former dnc chair tim kaine, the virginia senate candidate. he will not be joining president obama with his four through cain's home state. joined by alan lan combs. home of the alan colmes radio show. and tucker carlson editor of "the daily caller" and fox news contributor. good to see you this morning. obviously we talked a lot about the republican debate last night. there is lot going on the democrat side as well. clearly in virginia, tim kaine was appointed head of dnc by barack obama, president of the united states, alan. something else on his schedule. >> he has a scheduling conflict. you know how that goes. look what happens is, dirty little secret of politics is, white house, you do what you need to do to win your district or win your state just like joe manchin profiled in the "wall street journal" from west virgina, probably most conservative democrat in the senate doesn't vote with the president or democrats on so many issues. they will do what is best to get them elected. however, polling out shows, for example, abc poll out today, 79% of the democrats support obama. think he would do much better on jobs as do 44% of the independents. not as dire as republicans would like to have you belief for the president or for democrats. martha: that is interesting, tucker, clearly, these democrats aren't seeing the numbers that way at all. he has 40% approval rating in virginia right now. he won the state by seven back in '08. he will have a tough time in virginia. those folks are trying to keep an arms length of it. >> you think? it is not republican --. martha: you think? >> republicans running away from obama. republicans love talking about obama. he is their favorite topic. it's democrats in swing states and difficult districts who don't want to mention his name. so the verdict here is being rendered by the president's own party. let's be clear. these democrats, even joe manchin is pretty conservative really, vote majority of the time with the president and democrats and. when it came down to it, manchin on difficult vote whether or not to repeal obamacare voted with the white house. so they're faithful soldiers despite the cosmetics. martha: i'm sorry. we ate up a lot of time with the news conference. we'll leave it there. i love to have you back soon because you're great guests. >> thank you. martha: lions, tigers, bears, ojai and tucker carlson and alan colmes. bill: did two candidates have most to gain in last flight's debate? michele bachmann and ron paul are live moments away here in "america's newsroom." martha. martha: this case is such a mystery but is there a break today? that is next. >> we got up started screaming for her and looking for her everywhere and she wasn't there. >> she is ten months old. lisa is ten months old. >> xi will be 11 months old the 11th. her birthday is the -- >> oh. martha: big weather going on in florida today. we have a lot of storm damage there. there was possible tornado on the ground there that caused some minor injuries. damaged property. we have a lot of fallen trees in the area as well. school officials in the florida keys canceled classes due to more storms they're concerned about down there. a tough scene for folks in plantation, florida. we'll keep an eye on it. bill: wondering whether or not there's a possible break in the case of missing baby lisa irwin. judge andrew napolitano is our fox news senior judicial analyst. host of "freedom watch" on fox business network. good morning. >> bill. bill: the news today. police obtained a search warrant. at sunrise they were outside the home in kansas city, missouri. how significant? >> there are two points to be made. one is when the police search your house obviously you're not there. you can't hide anything. so the parents are not in the house and police have free range. they don't know what they're looking for other than clues as to the disappearance of the baby. flipside of this is, bill, the baby has been missing for over two weeks. this is a search warrant that should have been sought and executed a long time ago. it probably wasn't until our very astute colleague, megyn kelly interviewed these people and the police saw that interview. bill: you think the changing facts of the story, whether significant or not to this missing baby is what tipped off police to wait 15 days? >> the police should have conducted the kind of interview that megyn conducted two weeks ago. the police see megyn's interview over the weekend, my god the mother was drunk. mother was drinking. the mother can't tell us what happened to the child between 6:00 at night and 4:00 in morning? we better get in the house. bill: the point she told maybe begin we doesn't know if the police knew that before. we certainly don't. >> we don't know what they told the police before because those conversations are private and under the constitution. the mother and father have the right and not to answer and not to cooperate with the police. you would think if they really wanted their daughter to be found and had nothing to do with the daughter's disappearance they tell the police everything they want to know. bill: there is a lot we don't know but you know from sitting on the bench you know cases where police get married to a story. >> yes. bill: they pursuit it and sometimes its correct and sometimes it is not. >> sometimes they can become overbearing they will dismiss evidence which contradicts their theory and even victims do not want to deal with the police. we shouldn't conclude because the parents clammed up they had anything to do with the disappearance. sometimes the clamming up is natural reaction to too much exposure to the k079s. >> search warrant. they are going through it right now. >> should be very they're you roe row and hopefully productive. bill: catch you every week night, fox business network, "freedom watch", 8:00 and 11 eastern time. check it out. >> thank you, bill. >> we've got a jam-packed show filled with presidential hopefuls today. coming up next, ron paul on his plan to cut a trillion dollars and so many agencies and departments from the u.s. government. we're going to talk about that coming up. what would be on his chopping block? 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>> good morning. it's a beautiful morning in las vegas. good to talk to you, bill. bill: it looks great out there. it's rainy in new york, so you win on this one. where did that comment come from last night? >> well, it came from everything that i've seen on the campaign trail because nearly every day i'm talking to moms and dads across the united states. if there is one thing that grips the heart of a mother it's to lose their home. that's the home that they manage, that's where they raise their children. and so for women there is something very important about losing your security base when you lose your home and it's something that is fundamental to mothers across the united states. bill: in the state of nevada the foreclosures are through the roof. there probably right now is not a state struggling more in real estate than the state of nevada. >> that is exactly right. bill: i'm going to roll out a little clip last night and i want the audience to listen carefully as to how this unwinds. and i'll hav ask you a very spe question. >> even the obama administration chose to reject part of obamacare last friday when they tried to throw out the class act. the government can't even afford that part and has to throw it out and now the administration is arguing witness self. we saw the president of the united states engage american troops in a fourth conflict in a foreign land. this is historic. this is how disrespected the united states is in the world today, and it's because of president obama's failed policy. the cake is baked. barack obama will be a one-term president. bill: there was a lot of back and forth sniping at one another. and i don't know alternately how february tiff it was for the audience. there are occasions where you tried to turn the focus away from each other and on the president. was that effective? >> i think that the apbd date that i was arguing last night was barack obama and his failed policies. there is no question he's done tremendous, almost irreparable damage in some cases to the economy. i know that we can turn it around, but we should have been in real recovery a longtime ago. they tell us we are in recovery but all across america, americans don't feel it's like recovery at all. the good news is we can. bill: you were one of the first to take a shot at herman cain's economic plan. the shots were coming from you as well. >> we were asked to comment on the plan, and, again, i'm a former federal tax lawyer, this has been part of my professional background, i needed to talk about the very real consequences of adding a new tax on the backs of americans. that's why the cain tax i think you saw it was round lee criticized by most of the candidates. one of the biggest issues is the fact that it's in essence a value added tax us because every time you turn a profit between every vendor, every manufacturer of something you have a 9% sales tax. the one point that didn't come up last night is when goods come into the united states from a foreign country there is only one time that that tax -- that good will be taxed. that's at the point of sale. but for american manufacturers that good will be taxed at every stage of production. we are going to even disadvantage our manufacturers even more through the cain tax than we will foreign imports. bill: now, listen there has been a lot reported about staff members not sticking with you, leaving your campaign. we are just talking about money right now. money has been an issue for you. can you make it to the caucuses in iowa january 3rd at this rate? >> well, we are doing well. we posted money in the bank after this quarter. of course we'd love to have all your viewers go to michelle bachmann.com and continue to help us. we are very proud because bill here had 97,000 donations this last quarter. that is breathtaking, with an average donation of $42. we are a movement. this is a voice and this is a movement, and we are very thrilled about that. we've got a wonderful campaign, a wonderful staff. we are very tight. we love each other, we work together really well. we are excited about where this campaign is headed. bill: you talked about the moms, what is your message for fathers, dads in america? >> my message for dads is they are very worried about able to have a job, to hold onto their job to provide for their families. i want them to know with my plan, real jobs right now, we are going to create millions of high paying jobs all across the united states. that's what a dad wants to do, provide for himself, his wife and his children. and i'll do that with real jobs right now at michelle bachmann.com. it's my comprehensive plan to turn the economy around. bill: thank you for your time. 75 days until iowa. we'll wait until then. >> yes it is, thanks, bill. bill: thank you for your time in vegas. okay we'll talk again. jenna: fox news alert, we are waiting for remarks from president obama. he is on the final leg of his bus tour pushing his jobs plan. ed henry is live in hampton, virginia with us this morning. the first lady we understand is also there with the president. why is that,ted. >> reporter: the first lady has been working on trying to transition veterans coming back from iraq and afghanistan all around the world and help them find jobs back at home. unemployment bad but particularly bad for military veterans. i got an email from jeff miller, the chair of the chairs committee. they say they have passed legislation to deal with this. they hope the president will work with them on that. the president has his own initiative. take a look at these poll numbers from august. this was an apgfk poll it found the president's favorability was 51%, first lady 70% of americans had a favorable view of her, only 24% unfavorable. first ladies tend to be more popular. i remember laura bush being a lot more popular than her husband during certain days of his administration. the president needs to shake things up. bringing the first lady to try and pitch it. jenna: everybody looks to watch that, that's the way it goes. >> reporter: absolutely. jenna: thank you so much. we'll be watching that. bill: again argue with that especially on tv. martha: first ladies are always more popular than the president. she should run the country, perhaps? there is an idea. bill: some day they shall. i was talking to michelle bachmann. maybe we can get them back on the line ron paul, live on the debate and his plan for putting america back on track. >> work from the assumption that government is not very capable of managing almost anything, so you shouldn't put that much trust into government. like many chefs today, i feel the best approach to food is to keep it whole for better nutrition. and that's what they do with great grains cereal. see the seam on the wheat grain? same as on the flake. because great grains steams and bakes the actual whole grain. now check out the other guy's flake. hello, no seam. because it's more processed. now, which do you suppose has better nutrition for you? mmm. great grains. the whole whole grain cereal. bill: back to breaking news in eastern ohio. the county of zainesville. we heard from the sheriff of that county a moment ago about these exotic animals. these are 300-pound bengal tigers, grizzly bears kept on the farm there. the owner of the farm apparently shot himself. before he took his life he allowed all the animals to roam free. a mountain lion, a grizzly bear and monkey are the only remaining animals on the loose. this is east of columbu columbus, ohio. the man who runs the zoo is jack hanna. he was talking to us earlier. >> we had a huge tiger, an adult tiger estimating 300 pounds that was very aggressive. we did get one of the vets close enough, unbelievably so within 10 to 15 yards, got a tranquilizer in it and this thing went crazy. it started to take off away from us to the weed area and our officers put it down. bill: that is sheriff lutz. jack hanna runs the zoo. he was out there and trying to advise people where they come from, how animals can be kept in activity. all that is coming up moments away here. martha: let's go back to the other big, big story this morning. and republican presidential candidate ron paul says if he is elected president he's not going to mess around, he will slash $1 trillion from our federal budget. last night during the debate in nevada he explained how. listen. >> as soon as the government spends money eventually it's taxed. sometimes we put a direct tax on the people, sometimes we borrow the money and sometimes we print the money. spending is the tax, that is the reason i offered the program to cut one trillion dollars out of the first year's budget that i author. martha: you heard the huge applause for that idea. i'm joined by texas congressman and presidential candidate ron paul. good morning to you, sir. good to have you here today. >> good morning, thank you. martha: how do you think it went last night for you and overall in terms ever the tenure of the evening. >> i think it went well. i think the debate was run well. there was a balance on time. there are some events i don't get much time. i felt i had a fair amount of time to express myself. martha: let's talk about the plan you have to cut one trillion dollars from the budgets. it would be to eliminate the education department, commerce department. housing of urban development would get cuts to agency budgets. cuts to epa, fda, eliminate foreign aid was also among your ideas and to cut defense as well. i guess the biggest hurdle that you would have is that the president sort of only has one say in this matter. how would you ever get all that through congress? >> well, i mean you have to get a consensus if i am to be elected president a consensus comes. the people, you know, would have to change the congress to some degree. a lot of members of congress will change their attitude if they know that the sentiment with the country is in favor of what i'm talking about. already it is demonstrated that the american people are kick and tired of what they are getting. they are out on the streets right now. we are in the midst of a world-wide debt crisis, it's a sovereign debt crisis, if we don't deal with it it's going to be catastrophic. i don't think people realize how serious it is. it takes a serious approach. quite frankly i think the economy is going to blossom if we just get the government out of the way and quit spending money and let the people spend their money. i believe this is beneficial to all of us. martha: they came to the idea of cutting the defense budget. i want to replay something from last night from newt gingrich and get your thoughts on what he had to say about that. >> help found the military reform caucus, i'm a hawk but i'm a cheap hawk. the fact is to say i'm going to put the security of the united states up against some arbitrary budget number is suicidally stupid. martha: what say you mr. paul? >> well, that would be if you ignore the budget, because the budget, the domestic economy is the biggest threat to our national security. think about how the economy brought the soviets down on their knees. they had all the military power they wanted, it was unsustainable and they collapsed. he is looking at the wrong problem. it's wrong to equate military spending with defense. i don't want to cut defense, i want abettor defense, a stronger defense but i want to defend this country. i don't want to defend the borders between afghanistan and pakistan. i want to tkefrpbdz the borders between mexico and out nighted states. there is a big different in defending this country in spending endlessly. it shows a lack of understanding of economics if they think that they can spend money aimlessl aimlessly, and the budget doesn't matter. we are in the midst of a world-wide sovereign debt crisis and we better realize how serious it is. martha: let's talk about, rather than going after the entitlements you are putting your focus more on government bureaucracy, eliminating departments and government spending. how do the numbers add up in terms of getting rid of the tkeupts, you'd lose a lot of jobs. i saw a number in the 200,000 range for jobs lost if you cut all those departments. how does that get us where we need to be i guess. >> eventually you do but you don't put them out immediately. a lot of those jobs are eliminated through attrition. as the economy grows these numbers are absorbed. we sent 5 million people home after world war ii, the economy was blooming. so if you could correct the economy a couple hundred thousand are necessary for the workforce, transferred from government employees to private employees. the plan that i have does not put them out immediately, it's through attrition over a three, four, five-year period of time. the balanced budget comes in three years. the first year to show the whole country that we are serious we cut a trillion dollars of all this unnecessary bureaucratic spending and get us back to a constitutional government. i think the people are with us on this. this is why there are demonstrations in the streets. what i'm trying to do is prevent the violence that we are seeing in the european streets. just look at what is going on in greece. so the world is threatened with the same problem as greece is and i'm trying to prevent that from happening here. martha: isn't some of that a reaction to some of the programs cut? quickly if you can, sir, once you start cutting these things people start to get very upset when the checks aren't coming in the mail. >> you're absolutely right. and that's where the real challenge is, because right now more people are getting checks than the people who are paying. that is unsustainable. you have to convince people it's in their best interest that the government get out of the way and the government is broke. we are broke and we can't sustain it. but that's why i go at overseas spending first and not the entitlement. i don't cut social security benefits or healthcare. at the same time i can find enough cuts that we can work our way out of it. if not everybody loses. we'll have runaway inflation and all the programs will go broke and it won't work. martha: you have spent your career talking about this. and you have a bigger stage to talk about it now than you ever have before and it's putting that all on the table. we appreciate you being with us today, sir. thank you very much. >> thank you. bill: you know what he says every time, he says time is catching up to me. martha: yeah. he says i've been talking about this my whole career. bill: "happening now" is on deck eleven minutes from now. what is cooking down there, jon, good morning johnston we are following several big breaking stories right now. we expect police are going to search the home of the parents of missing baby lisa irwin in missouri. the parents are not cooperating police say. also, a developing story out of texas where several men have been arrested allegedly trying to break into a courthouse. is there a terrorism tie? list plant to know. plus the war of words between the gop and the president over jobs. new reaction to the fast and furious canned stka scandal from president obama and an update on the animal situation in ohio coming up. bill: we are learning more details about the wild, exotic animals. police saying just a handful yet tog found. that handful includes a grizzly bear and a lion. the sheriff heading up that case will join us live now. he said this about 30 minutes ago. >> our officers arrived on the scene. we had one hour to hour and a half of daylight. as officers got out of their cruisers there were animals running loose outside of the fenced area. martha: 2400 people are gathered at the base in hampton, virginia. the president is speaking about his jobs plan trying to sell that in different parts of the country. he's talking about the importance of hiring veterans. his five, the first lady, michelle obama on hand to help out with that part of the discussion today. we'll keep an eye on it. it's streaming live on foxnews.com. bill: news is popping everywhere now. dozens of dangerous animals let loose from a private farm in ohio. swat teams killing 30 of the exotic animals including bears, cougars and tigers. the owner of the farm found be dead in his home after releasing all the animals. the sheriff joins me now. >> good morning, sir how are you. bill: i'm doing fine. what is the latest on the hunt for what is left? >> the latest press conference that we just did we believed that we have the number of unaccounted animals down to about three. that would include a mountain lion, a grizzly bear and a monkey. these are still preliminary results. we still have officers on the scene. we are still taking a head count of all the animals that we have there, and we are still inspecting the property to see if he has any other animals around. bill: is this wide open farm country? and if so, how much help with the public be? >> it is wide open farm country. it does parallel, the back side of the property parallel's interstate 70. the public can be a huge help by being of service, being vigilant to your surroundings and not take matters into their own hands. if you see something, again that looks like a bear or mountain lion or monkey call 911 immediately. we want them to document what they are seeing, document where it's at, and try to give our dispatchers and area of where they are headed for. bill: terry thompson is dead. he was 61-year-old from zainesville, ohio. what do you know about this man. >> i new terry personally to be able to walk up and talk to him. my nats was in law enforcement and new terry. we've been to terry's house numerous times. i've been in law enforcement for almost 23 years. bill: why did you go to his house, sheriff? >> we've been there numerous times over investigation. bill: for what? >> 04 spice 05 we probably had close to 30, 35 complaints at his residence from either the public, or some type of animal nuisance, some type of animals running at large. some type of cruelty to animal cases, just various complaints. bill: a long list. i know you're very busy. i want to say thank you for taking time to talk to us about this. that's matthew lutz the sheriff. keep in touch when you get more. three animals are on the loose in eastern ohio. we are back in a moment after this. medicare. it doesn't cover everything. and what it doesn't cover can cost you some money. that's why you should consider an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan... insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. all medicare supplement insurance plans can help pay... some of what medicare doesn't, so you could save... thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket expenses. call now for this free information kit and medicare guide. if you're turning 65 or you're already on medicare... you should know about this card -- it's the only one of its kind endorsed by aarp; see if it's right for you. all medicare supplement plans let you keep your own doctor, or hospital that accepts medicare. there are no networks and no referrals needed. help protect yourself from some of what medicare doesn't pay... and save up to thousands of dollars in potential... out-of-pocket expenses with an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan... insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. call this toll-free number on your screen now... for this free information kit, including this... medicare guide and customized rate quote.

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