0 so libertarians like the idea of chuck hagel, who wants to be part of cuts and who wants to be less interventionist. remember, libertarians want to bring the troops home just as much as many liberals used to when george w. bush was president. so it's complicated for rand paul. he says he's fighting hagel on these principle grounds as it relates to benghazi, as it relates to the disclosure of documents and other things. but if libertarians had their way, they would prefer him to the guy who was just in there, leon panetta. >> rand paul is an intriguing character, if for no other reason than he always maintainses a very, very calm demeanor, but fires some heavy broadsides at the same time, one of which he fired at secretary of state hillary clinton during the benghazi hearing. let's take listen to what he said. >> and had i been president at the time and i found that you did not read the cables from benghazi, you did not read the cables from ambassador stevens, i would have relieved you of your post. he touted his investment on right to work investigate, his call to audit the federal reserve and even his leadership on legalizing industrial hemp. >> if you think about how the -- how much more libertarian the republican party has become in the past decade, it's pretty remarkable. industrialized hemp is actually big money in -- could be big money in kentucky. big money right now, something else that grows like hemp is big money in ken kentucky, but it's illegal. but even mitch mcconnell, the senior senator from ken condition who is also the minority leader in the senate, he also favors industrial hemp growing. not for smoking, but for making into fiber and fabric. that's a big change. the paul family, ron paul and now his son, have a lot to do with how much more libertarian republicans have become in the last few years. >> we're out of time, but this raises an interesting perspective on how young people are attracted to some of this libertarian idea. they reject in many respects the intrusion of government in their lives and this is an appeal that republicans lack. >> hating the government is a very popular with a lot of people because if you see the approval ratings, it's no wonder and this is one vision, one pathway forward for the gop. >> thank you very much. appreciate you coming in on a saturday. >> any time. >> some are calling senator paul's tea party rebuttal a bit divisive. tomorrow on fox news sunday, he talks exclusively with chris wallace and in another exclusive interview, senator lindsey graham will also be stopping by. he tells chris why he feels it's so important to stand his ground on holding up the hagel nomination. tune in for all of fox news sunday tomorrow morning. check your local listings for time and channel. the march 1 deadline for the sequester is now just a couple of weeks away. a little less. if congress can't strike a deal, it will cause massive across the board spending cuts, including those to the defense department. joining us now are two members of the house armed services committee, republican congressman from utah, rob bishop, and democratic congressman from california, john guaramenti. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> first off, we'll ask congressman, will the sequester happen, in your opinion? >> i hope not. it's going to be devastating not only for the military, but for many, many other programs that people rely on, for example, air traffic controllers, border patrol, lots of programs are going to be very, very seriously impacted and perhaps 750 to a million people will lose their jobs immediately. >> congressman bishop, your thoughts? >> look, until the last minute happens, you in -- it's always a chance that something will work out. it's looking very slim, to be honest. i wouldn't bet on it not happening. >> let's take a look at just a couple of basic figures about sequestration and what it will entail. we're talking about $1.2 trillion in cuts over the next decade. 85 billion cuts from agency budgets over the next seven months. that's key. 85 billion over the next seven months, including 46 billion from the pentagon. and the interesting thing about this, gentlemen, is that the cuts are applied evenly to every program, regardless of importance. congressman bishop, i know that you had some fairly harsh words to assistant secretary of state ashton carter, i think on wednesday, february 13. i want to play a little bit of an exchange you had with him before we ask you about this here. >> december was too late to start this question. had you actually been doing something earlier about it, we may have been able to get momentum that was extremely necessary. and i'm sorry, there is a lot of blame to go around if we actually have to have sequestration. don't think you're going to get out of accepting some part of that blame. >> but congressman bishop, on the other hand, general said that it is impossible to plan for chaos. your reaction? >> well, look, the problem with sequestration is it doesn't start with a level playing field. when we passed the stimulus bill, which is probably the second dumbest bill we ever passed, every little of government was increased except for defense. defense was cut not once, but twice. so they start 1 1/2 trillion dollars below and that's why the impact of defense is disproportionate and will be devastating. the problem that we had coming from the pentagon is simply they didn't really say anything about it. they said, it's devastating. it's bad. but they didn't come up with specifics of what it would mean until one month before it was supposed to go into effect. so if they had been talking about this last january, or if they had been talking about it in june and july with specifics of where they would cut, it would have been part of the political discussion in every campaign all the way along and people would understand what the issue really is. when you say it's devastating, okay. how are you going to solve it? well, we're not going to plan anything. but that tells you is that it's probably not going to happen. when the president says it's not going to happen, people tend to take him at his word. now it's about to happen. so their tactics were either because they're timid, which i don't believe, or they were silent on the issue and now that they're saying, what really will happen, it's too little and it's too late. that's on their heads. >> congressman, do you agree that the defense department is bearing an unfair burden of these cuts? >> we know they'll be across the board at the defense department. they're unwise. they make no sense at all. it's not prioritizing those programs that are not necessary, not effective or efficient. similarly on the discretionary side, these are programs for education, research, jal lunch programs, even men and women that are in the food chain that are providing the safety of the food. all of these things are out there. what we need to do is to not look at blaming one way or another, but really put together a program. we still have two weeks to get it done. and it can be done. proposals have been made to seek a balanced approach, making even larger cuts that the $85 billion, in the deficit. not in programs, but in the deficit, raising some taxes by ending certain loopholes. one of which you picked up just a few moments ago, the google thing is unconclusionable. that's a law we need to change it. we'll bring money into the treasury in doing so. so we need a balanced approach to this. the military cuts have been proposed. at least by our team to be stretched out over the next five or six years, immediate cuts not to be made, but rather to do wise, thoughtful cuts. as the troops come home, we know there can be some reductions and we know there can be reductions on the discretionary side. but we have to be thoughtful about it. unfortunately, sequestration is anything but thoughtful. it is just a meat ax to everything and it is very, very damaging. we ought not go there. we do have two weeks. let's get back to work. let's go vote and get something done. >> can do you that, because congress is in of next week. doesn't sound like there is tremendous urgency. >> well, there is urgency. there is no doubt about it. yes, congress is in recess. that's unfortunate. but we industrial a week after that. work has been done. work is continuing to be done on compromises and we are going to have to compromise on this both left, right and center got to find the middle ground and reduce our deficit, but do it in a thoughtful way. >> congressman, democrat from california, congressman bishop, republican from utah, thank you both. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> a neurosurgeon and motivational speaker is becoming a bit of a viral video sensation for remarks he made at the annual national prayer breakfast last week while standing just feet from president obama. dr. benjamin carson talked about the ills that he thinks are plaguing the nation. he criticized political correctness and what he called health care death panels. some say his remarks may have gone too far, but last night on hannity, he disagreed. >> you can't say something like that in front of the president. when did this become a monarchy? you know, we are the people. the president works for us. and you know, we need to remember that. this is a country that is for, of and by the people. not for, of and by the government. and that is the big battle that we are in right now. >> carson says he has been receiving a lot of positive feedback from his remarks and that people are overjoyed to hear some common sense. a bomb ripped through a crowded outdoor vegetable market in a city in southern pakistan, killing at least 60 people and injuring more than 180 others. they say the blast was set off by remote control while women and children were shopping for their dinner. this is the latest attack on the city's shiite minority in recent months. a new twist in the christopher dorner case. we now know how the rogue form l.a.p.d officer was taken down and it wasn't by police. we'll have the latest on that and a live report. an elementary school principal under fire for taking the next step to help some students succeed. the key word there, some. he started a tutorial program with no whites allowed. one outrage mom changed that. we'll talk to her when we come back. >> come so far in all of these years to show everybody that everyone should be treated equally ♪ constipated? 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