the america news headquarters. this is ground zero in new york city. a picture as they unveil a flag, the american flag to be used tomorrow. where the ceremony will take place tomorrow morning. >> laura ingle is in shanksville, pennsylvania, where thousands gathered for the dedication of the national memorial honoring the heroes of united flight 93. live at one world financial center where julie banderas is. >> but we also remain individual leapt as a threat to the potential terror attack in new york or washington puts intelligence and the law enforcement communities on alert. we go to band band live now at one world financial center with the latest. julie, how has new york been responding to this terror threat? >> reporter: well, as individuavigilant as the new yok police department does and that's what they do best. the official have ramped up security and vigilance and word this afternoon that we confirmed through press contact that represents the new york city police department that apparently in the new york area three vans have gone missing. two stolen out of a construction company that does work at the world trade center site. another stolen from jersey city. however, not necessarily linked to this terrorist threat. however, when we originally heard of the terror threat released wednesday three, according to a pakistani informant, three men were to come in the united states somehow deploy a car bomb, truck bomb. when we hear about the vans stolen, that gives the authorities reason for concern. that is what they are doing. they are checking cars automatically. any van or truck that entered the bridge, goes through a tunnel. passengers that arrive on the subway today should expect extreme added police protection. and tomorrow especially more so. we have video to illustrate what i'm trying to explain here. the terror threat for new york and d.c. increased vigilance as i just mentioned. the police that we have been seeing on the street are armed to the nines with automatic weapons, or performing random bag searches. they're stopping trucks, random vehicles. they're looking out for any vans as well entering densely populated areas. bomb-sniffing dogs are patrolling the street. increased presence on the entrance and exit out of the tunnel. subway and bridges. andrew cuomo issued additional national guard and state police in and around ground zero. they are expected to be here throughout the weekend. the purpose behind this is to keep new york as safe as ever. the officials say in fact that the united states as a whole is safer than it has ever been. >> a security blanket if you will, blanketing the street of new york city today. so julie, tell us what else is going on the day before the tenth anniversary? >> symbolizing freedom and symbolizing what really tomorrow ceremony is all about. that is remembrance. we watched the american flag train from the world tower one and that is behind me where you saw that video. i want to show that to you again. as they unveiled that flag, they had music, ceremonial, patriotic music playing in the background. this is a 60-by-90-foot flag. this is the largest flag in the entire world. single flying flag. normally flies at the george washington bridge for special ceremonies and tomorrow it will fly here at ground zero. flags are also being used to represent the 343 firemen who died for each loss hero a flag was marched in procession at st. patrick cathedral in manhattan in view of the new york city skyline in new jersey there was a special remembrance today dedicated to the 746 people who lost their lives from new jersey. two 200-foot long walls to resemiable twin towers on their side to create space for reflection. that new jersey memorial happening this afternoon. called the empty sigh memorial, very fitting. tomorrow, commemorative events expected to start at #:30 in the morning. no surprise we are hearing threats and chatter on al-qaeda websites. bin laden many times threatened some kind of attack on 9/11/11. it's just another day really. i've spoken with the police commissioner several times and he says look, when this is all over. it's better to be safe than sorry, but there is no need for panic. that is the message that they want us to convey to our viewers as they watch today. >> new yorkers are heeding the message. i feel it in the street when i walk around. thank you for the report. >> a few hours ago in a field in rural pennsylvania, thousands watched as two former presidents and the current vice president biden dedicated the memorial to the 40 people killed in the crash of united flight 93. two bells tolled for each of their names. [ bells toll ] >> laura ingle is live. what were the highlights? >> it was historical and meaningful day for family members and the community and for the nation. the permanent memorial, finally unveiled and dedicated here today. i want to give you a live look behind me. the wall of names where you saw an unveiling. a covering over the long wall earlier today that finally came off. marks the flight path and impact site. you can see members of the public lingering around the 40 flags in the middle that stand eight feet tall. each engraved with the names of those lost. wall of names is book-ended with two large marble walls that lead directly to the sacred ground. that is where the single 17-ton bolder marks the point of impact. today, family members were allowed to walk to the bolder to lay flowers apt pay respects and an area for only them for years to come. visitors will be able to get closer than before look with the memorial plaza in place, which lines the debris field. former president george w. bush and bill clinton were here for the dedication. certainly as they highlight both taking time to talk with the family members personally. while marking the occasion with the me marks about presevening the legacy of those who fought against the hijackers. >> americans are alive today because passengers and the crew of flight 93 chose to act. our nation will be forever grateful. >> they say the cap -- saved the capital from attack and saved god knows how many lives and saved the terrorist from claiming the symbolic victory of smashing the center of american gllnm be more remembrance as luminaries have been brought up against the marble wall. candles will be lit in prep face for tomorrow's event which will start early here for the september 11 memorial. back to you. >> laura, there is a lot of work to be done to complete the memorial behind you. there was news about fundraising efforts to finish the job? >> a big deal for the folks here and the family members that raised attention and funds for memorial. the wall of names is significant. the memorial plaza. and ring roses here to help people get in to the site. there is not a visitors center or tower of voices, a large bell tower to contain chimes that will help be a marker for the world, for people to come and find this beautiful memorial. that still needs $10 million to be raised. today, former president bill clinton took the stage. he made the stunning announcement to all he was going to be working on a bipartisan effort with house speaker boehner to help raise funds sometimes soon. everybody here looking forward to that. the public is helping out as much as they can and they need muss to get the $10 million extra. hopefully that help is on the way. according to the family members. >> good to hear. laura ingle in shangstville. thanks. >> you said you were watching earlier and i was watching as well. that announcement and that as well as the special feeling you felt patriotic and nice to see everybody work together. >> no doubt. >> we want to remind everybody we'll remember 9/11 all weekend. join fox news tonight at 10:00 for a special geraldo rivera report. 9/11 the counterattack. tomorrow, stay with fox news throughout the day for special coverage. marking ten years since the terrorist attack on septembe september 11. >> nearly ten years later we have witnessed triumphs and set-backs of course in the war in afghanistan. we have lost more than 1700 miles per hour troops. where do things stand today? connor powell has more from afghanistan. conor? >> reporter: well, rick, there are nearly 100,000 american troops serving here in afghanistan. a record number. while progress here on the war has been slower than everyone wants they believe the effort to train afghanistan security forces will change the tide of the war. >> the higgor call power is bombed out and in ruins, reminder of 30 years of war. running alongside the crumbling building, new paved road with mod earn street lights. this road project is the type of infrastructure project many thought would transform afghanistan after septembe september 11. despite million of aid, peace and stability failed to materialize here. by 2005, taliban were back and wreaking havoc. military focused on iraq, the strategy in afghanistan was to kill as many insurgents as possible. that produced little if any tangible response. >> you can kill bad guys all day long and little will change. you have to change the insurgency from resurging again. >> in 2009, president obama sent more than 30,000 additional troops to afghanistan. to implement a new strategy with the aim to improve security and expanding the weak afghan government. u.s. commanders insist the strategy is showing positive results. conditions on the ground are changing for the better. >> we made a commitment to put the strategy in place with the right people to turn it around and ensure it works. >> as a result of the new strategy here in afghanistan, the afghan security forces have grown to more than 300,000 police officers and soldiers. u.s. commanderrers insist afghans will take the lead and security here by the end of 2014, rick. >> conor powell streaming live from kabul. thanks. back at home, folks in pennsylvania and new york are also dealing with the aftermath of the tropical storm lee. you remember that story. tens of thousands of evacuees along pennsylvania river. now being allowed to return home. that is good news. forecasters say the river water levels are nearly back to normal. the state unconfirmed death toll now stands at 12. meantime, in texas, outrageed residents still don't have a clear timetable for when they will be able to return home. authorities say while firefighters are nearly in control of the planes they are struggling to gain control over the problem hot spots caused by the wayward winds. wildfires have been burning for a week. destroyed almost 1400 homes just outside of austin. >> hate to hear that for those folks there. we go to the top story. police in washington and new york on alert this hour. as investigators look for proof of terror plot against the homeland. details up next. >> plus, life after the loss of a mother or father. one new york family tells us their story of life after losing their dad and husband on 9/1 9/11. >> i remember the first night i had all four of them in the bathtub. just thinking in my head, how am i going to do this? 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here now, gary, president of his company and fox business contributor. is this a good deal or too good to be true? >> it's great. every student need to get credit. banks are great marketers. how do they do it? they give away freebies like 0% interest rate for many months or low fee or big rewards. good move. they are looking for next generation of earners. that is the way to do it. >> arthel: that is a way to do it. i understand, that they want to get the guys now to keep them years from now when they make big bank. but are there pitfalls that students need to look out for? >> yeah. look. if you don't have the money and you have a credit card and you spend on the credit card you will get yourself in trouble. the parents have to come in and say realize it's just that, so if you don't have the money for it, don't use it. the same thing for adults go for students also. hopefully they're taught the right way. >> arthel: so you are saying, gary, not a bad thing but give me specifics in terms of how the students can use the incentives to their advantage. >> if a student is working beside being student, you can build up credit. you get older and build up credit. nobody wants to lend much so you need great credit. you build credit up by using the credit card. the other good reason for credit cards you don't run around with cash all the time when you go shopping for whatever food, clothes or anything else. all the way around is it a good thing. the fact that banks aren't giving away freebies is a big help. typically, the interest rates will be between 17-18% on a credit card. 0% for talking six to twelve months is a darn good deal. >> arthel: typically, when you hear credit cards you get a little, you know, itch going. because you think don't do it, whatever you do. don't take out of the credit card. don't take up the ads and don't answer them. you are saying listen, you are starting your life and you need credit to buy a home and car. but you have to be responsible, wouldn't you say? >> yes. this is how you build up credit. not just for students. i know so many adults that went bankrupt because they had 14 credit cards. this is for everybody to learn the lesson if you don't have the money don't have the credit card. this is for students if they have money and parents help them out, to build up credit and diffuse without carrying the cash all over the place. a credit deal all the way around. as long as the banks don't abuse it to send 14 credit cards to the same person. which i seen before. >> arthel: this is what i want to talk about now. a lot of times, any clothing store. i'm a girl so we go clothing stores and they say you want to open up a credit card account with us? you want to limit how many credit cards you have, right? don't go for all the ancillary accounts, right? >> that is exactly right. that is where the education comes in. i know a lot of people that have the department stores, gas station and credit cards du jour and they get in trouble. it's all about education. from day one, that is where parenting comes in. i spent this weekend with my 15-year-old talking about checkbooks and credit cards before i knew what we would talk about so it is something to be done early on. i got to tell you, credit can be the death of somebody if they handle it incorrectly. >> arthel: it can be dangerous and it can work if you do it right. gary kaultbaum, thank you. good to see you. >> my pleasure. thank you. ♪ ♪ >> rick: more than 3,000 children lost a mother or father on september 11, 2001. while life after a loss like that is very hard, the memories and the pictures of their parents can help a lot of the kids get through the hard times. we talk to one family from westchester county. a suburb north of new york city. they never spoke to the media before but ten years later they are ready to tell the story of their father who remains their hero. >> the first day of school at the house. like most kids, 16-year-old casey, joe, 14, shannon 12, and caitlin 10 are excited about the new year. shocked they received homework on the first day. >> but they're focused on more than that. they are preparing to mark ten years since their dad was killed. >> he was in the south tower. and they were going up pretty high. to help other firemen in distress. >> colleen's husband joseph always dreamed of becoming a firefighter. >> before he got on the fire department he worked in the city at a desk job. he was just not a suit and tie type of guy. his father was a lieutenant in the fire department. it was his goal to end up with rescue. >> he achieved the goal weeks before september 11, 2001. >> at the time, their children ranged from six to six months. then it happened. >> spoke to him that morning. matter of fact i was on the phone with him when he got the call. i said wow, i guess i won't see him until midnight. >> midnight came and went. joe never made it home. >> i remember the first night i had all four of them in the bathtub. thinking in my head how am i going to do this? >> for the spor kids, it's the memory of their dad that get them through the hard times. >> i remember my dad being a happy guy. he would be singing in the house. i remember waking up and i'd wake up and spell pancakes and i would get excited because it was daddy's flap jacks. he made them the best of anyone. we used to dance in the kitchen and i danced on his feet. when i got out of the bath he would put my hair in a mohawk. >> even the youngest has memories. >> he would take me out of my crib and take me downstairs on the couch. he'd put me on his chest and i'd listen to his heart beat and i'd fall asleep. >> ten years gone, but joe spor is a hero and a role model for the family he left behind. >> i really want to be a firefighter like my dad and go to rescue people. >> i'm proud of what he did down there. i know he was killed doing what he loved. he wouldn't want to go any other way. >> rick: the spor family will spend tomorrow the way they have spent other 9/11s over the years. first, they go to the firemen's memorial in new york city and then to cemetery to visit their father's grave site. then they will have a big family dinner back at their house and they'll sit and remember. they have always set up a memorial fund in their home township up in westchester county where they give out scholarship money. >> arthel: poor children. >> rick: to kids in need in that town. they are honoring in many, many meaningful ways. our thoughts and prayers with them and all the families tomorrow. >> arthel: indeed. i love the girl saying i remember the smell of pancakes and dancing on his shoes, or his feet. i love. that thank you for that story. as we mentioned earlier today the nation gathered to remember all of those who gave their lives. including those on united flight 93. preventing what would have likely been another attack on washington. singer/songwrighter sarah mclaughlin performed at the ceremony and we honor the brave souls now as we listen to some offer this performance from today. >> ♪ i will remember you ♪ will you remember me ♪ don't let your life pass you by ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ memory ♪ ♪ ♪ly remember you ♪ will you remember me ♪ don't let your life pass you by ♪ ♪ we know the memory ♪ ♪ just one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with the strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." 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>> yes. you have to look at it in view of the terror plot revolving around car and truck bomb. they are taking the stolen vans seriously. police ooze of d.c. say the two white ford econoline vans were stolen at different times from two different u-haul lots today. they have arizona license tags and police say it may just be a case of stolen vans not related to the terror threat but they are being extra cautious. the d.c. police are stopping the u-haul truck and vans in the area. >> arthel: thank you for the update. >> rick: politics now. rick perry raising eyebrows when he called the social security a ponzi scheme. take a listen. >> fib for the status quo with social security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids and it's not right. the issue in the book set up as you say that by any measure social security is a failure. you can't say that to tens of thousands of americans living on social security. >> governor perry son record saying states should have the right to opt out of social security. we know that politics plays well with young people. and conservatives, primary voters but what about the general public and seniors in the all-important state of florida? joining us now, tammy bruce and doug schoen, former pollster for president clinton. both are fox news contributor. thank you for being here in person. >> pleasure to be on set. >> rick: the governor's take on social security, governor perry's take could be lethal. >> it could. >> rick: that bad? >> already today, rick, there are reports that governor romney is circulating flyers in florida, a key primary state saying that gor perry wants to kill social security in the republican primary, 40% of vote or more is over the age of 60. they rely on social security. they're not ideological, they're just practical. in the general election, social security is a bedroom issue for voters across the land scape. so it could be defining issue and lethal. >> rick: the ponzi scheme line is the line getting so much attention. for those who did not hear the words come from the governor's mouth, take a listen and then i'll have you respond. >> is it a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today you paying in a program that will be there. >> rick: too much? >> it's funny, i used that phrase but i'm a radio talk show host and i'm not running for president. that is one of the issues. everybody agrees to reform social security. that is not the issue. what happened to perry, and see if he can adjust is a demeanor issue. to deliver a message you should deliver with flowers as opposed to sledgehammer that will hope the door for mitt romney to come in and say something accordingly. it comes down to people want after the last three years a statesman or a stateswoman as it may be. you don't get that sense. you can't g.o.p. by being a bully. we learned that. that is an edge to given to romney jus just juxtaposing his demeanor. >> rick: but he may come out and say you don't want to believe it but this is the truth. straight-talking but it didn't work well for mccain but maybe that is what he is doing here. >> one thing to talk straight to american people and say we have to reform entitlement, which is right. another thing to pick up a sledgehammer and take it to yourself or people you want to elect you. it doesn't work in politics. >> or leave that impression even. >> leave that impression. he wasn't explicit about it but bottom line social security is secure until 2036. 20 # 7. menty of time to reform it with things like raising the aim level. or means testing. he is going too far. demeanor matters. >> rick: that could be one reason why chris christie didn't get in to it. >> he said so interestingly and i respect him for that. i agree. every time you see him the style is he is a bully an yelling at people. that only goes so far. he admited perhaps the style wasn't meant for the national scene. maybe the same case for governor perry. we'll find out if he agrees with that or if he has something to prove. if you are running for president and you have something to prove you're also in trouble. >> rick: let me ask you both. we have a cupful of minute. about florida. we know florida in general election but florida will play an important role if primary season. they moved up the primary. they could be important state for a republican who wants to win the nomination. how dis it change the dynamics of things there? >> first, i suspect governor perry right now is front runner iowa and south carolina. mitt romney, new hampshire. if we get divided interrupt of those three states florida becomes make-or-break state with 40-45% of republican primary electorate as i said over the age of 60 and seep yours there well organized, militant, and deeply committed to programs like medicare and social security. >> rick: they come out and vote. >> militant seniors sounds like tea party to me. average stakeholders saying we have had enough. the issue with florida, it was important. it's always been important. you saw rudy giuliani of course in 2008 to become the king of florida. bypassing the early states and it didn't work. the issue is money. this is what happened to pawlenty. pawlenty paid to get on the south carolina ballot. that is $25,000. he presumed he would go through if you focus too much and spend all of your money and the money dries up you can't go on. predict the race will become a long-term race like democrats were in 2008. 10% of delegate it and people have a fight on their hand. i think sarah palin will get in and i don't think the field is set. this is why people keep their powder dry. >> rick: do you think tim pawlenty can get the money back? c'mon, $25,000 is $25,000. >> i can tell you this. rick perry and mitt romney will have the money directly or indirectly or superpacs. >> romney decided not to participate in the florida straw poll. he is careful how he paces what he does. >> rick: tammy and doug, thank you for being here on this important weekend. >> our pleasure. >> arthel: turning to international news now a violent and bloody situation unfolding in libya. the country rebel leader launching a massive assault against three of the gaddafi last remaining stronghold. this is after the rebel lea leaders on the loyalist to surrender or face military action. david piper live in tripoli with the latest. david? >> reporter: yes, the chief of the national transitional council appeared here in tripoli today. this is the first time he has come here since rebels took the city. jaleel was mobbed by the crowd as he arrived to the airport. his appearance seems to show rebels are about to move their government from benghazi to the libyan capital. the interior minister said the challenge now is to organize the state which will be, he says, harder than the military campaign. the fighting is still going on. rebel forces move to clear them from the remaining towns they hold. but wallid, 90 miles southeast of here, they face the stiff resistance today. some rebels told us they managed to get in the town but forced back after coming into heavy fire. they pulled back to wait for air attacks to clear the way. nato denied it was coordinatorring the operation -- coordinating the operation but they nuanced they were conducting operations where there have been reports of airstrikes. there has also been intense fighting around the hometown of gaddafi. they are expecting a tough battle there as they are equipped with the latest russian-made tankss. we don't really know still where gaddafi is. as the rebels move south he is running out of room to escape to them. back to you. >> arthel: david piper thank you for the report. >> rick: well, we know how hard america was hit on 9/11 but as a country we got up and took the fight to the enemy. tip of the spear, air force special operation team. inside look at the highly skilled wariors coming up next. 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"consumer reports" ran a test of course and are here to tell us which bulb shines the brightest, representing consumer report. we have the deputy home editor of "consumer reports." hi, celia. good to see you. >> rick: thank you for being here. >> arthel: which ones are the best and why? >> it's interesting because they both have things going for them. first thing i will do is turn them on. this is a light emitting diode, a new kind of bulb. this is cfl. the first thing you can tell at the difference that went on full brightness instantly. right away. this had a little lag time. that is one of the differences between the two technologies. >> arthel: the one that you are pointing to right now is an l.e.d., right? >> that is an l.e.d. >> it mimics the hall general more. >> -- hallow general. >> you can get the same brightness and the light quality you like. >> you don't buy them by watts. you buy them by lumen how bright they will be. the 60-watt bulb is 800 lumen. >> rick: the draw with these in the long run you save money. pay more for them up front when you buy them but they last for so long and they are so, so much more energy efficient you save. >> well, you save for both of these over the incandescent bulb. this saves over your lifetime. this one will last 2022 years. >> arthel: really? >> it's going to save you $110. but the problem with the leds right now is they are pretty expensive. >> arthel: like $40? >> rick: $40. even over the, even at $40, it will save you money in the long run. >> this cfl is only $1.50. >> if you have recess lighting like up high, one of those bulks, you don't worry about trying to reach it for a long time. worth extra bucks. >> arthel: yeah. >> rick: the bonds we have in front of us phillips and the g.e., and the sylvania is is there one brand people should look out for that works better than another? >> not really. we found differences in most of the bulb. ecosmart did well and so did the phillips but in the ratings we have rating of 46 different type of bulbs. for all different kind of lamps, cans and recess fixtures and outdoor fixtures. we tested a range of lightbulbs to let people know what to look for. >> arthel: but the very least you like these two. >> these are the top-rated bulbs. >> arthel: read more in "consumer reports." thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> rick: thank you for being here as well. >> arthel: we appreciate your time. stick around. 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