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0 russian corridor for the first time in the city of sumy along the northeastern border. but mariupol has reports of renewed russian shelling. you can also join fox and the support of red cross efforts in ukraine. head to red cross.org, and also help by calling 800-helpnow. "america reports" is now. [gunfire]>> they came to our city, they damaged our infrastructure. and killed innocents. >> scary to stay home right now. >> process, out of the country, and others -- >> sandra: the sound of suffering from innocent ukrainians caught in the middle of an unprovoked invasion. now president biden is taking a new step to punish vladimir putin, banning imports of russian oil into the u.s.. hello and welcome, everyone, sandra smith in new york. >> john: good to see you on this tuesday. john roberts in washington. a refugee crisis in europe not seen in a generation unfollowing before our eyes. more than 2 million people have fled ukraine. vast majority heading west to avoid the russians targeting civilian escape routes. putin claims civilians are not targeted and evacuation corridors have been established. >> sandra: this was the scene in the northern city of sumy overnight, a russian airstrike wiping out an entire neighborhood and reportedly killing at least 21 people, including children. >> john: all this while a defiant ukrainian president zelenskyy appeared on video from his office in kyiv on monday for the first time since the invasion, zelenskyy declaring "i'm not afraid of anyone." >> sandra: john, we have fox team coverage around the world begins now. >> john: trey up first from kyiv with the very latest. >> john, good afternoon. tragic update out of sumy, ukraine, overnight strikes killed 21 civilians, including at least two children. you can see in the images complete destruction caused by the russian missiles, slamming into houses there. the russians continue to shell different areas around sumy, making it extremely difficult for the evacuation currently taking place to continue. and we know it's not just sumy taking this kind of fire from russian forces, also in mariupol, a town of around 400,000 seem that sits on the sea of azor, and cut off in terms of water, power and food for the past seven days, making it very difficult for the civilians there to simply survive. it's part of the reason we have seen so much pressure to create the humanitarian corridor out of the city. but the corridor was targeted multiple times. listen to what one local police officer had to say about what the evacuation route looks like today. >> everything is mined, the ways out of town are being shelled, the moment negotiations about living and security have not been successful. trust me, i have family at home and also worried about them. unfortunately, the maximum security for all of us is to be inside the city underground and in the shelters. >> it's not just local law enforcement. red cross says they have received reports of mines along the evacuation route and makes it extremely difficult and makes the people fearful to leave their homes. do you stay put and face the devastating russian shelling, or do you get on a bus to a location you've never been before and also risk being targeted. john, sandra. >> sandra: trey, it is absolutely horrific, and barbaric these actions that we continue to see and the civilian, the human suffering that we continue to see hour after hour coming from there, and now the attention on sumy at this hour. >> absolutely. it's the next location for people to evacuate, and while the russians keep putting forward this idea that they are open to respecting humanitarian routes out of the country, they lay forward a proposal yesterday that's not realistic for the ukrainian government or ukrainian civilians. they said sure, you can evacuate but most of the evacuation routes they have mapped out go to russia or belarus where there are thousands of troops staging, preparing to continue this invasion into ukraine. so, it's not a safe evacuation route for the civilians who are simply trying to get out of harm's way. part of the reason you saw the ukrainians forcefully reject the proposal yesterday. >> john: i'm here at the touch screen, kyiv the capital city is here, sumy just to the northeast of that, kharkiv to the southeast of it, zoom in a bit and talk trey about what you were describing. and that is the evacuation routes. people from sumy want to go best toward the border with poland or south and southwest toward the border with romania, but the corridors the russians open take them into russian territory. some people say, trey, this is a cynical attempt by vladimir putin to show ukrainians fleeing toward russia, saying we want to be close to russia. that's where we think they would be safe, and they are bringing up what's going on in the south here, here is mariupol that you were talking about, pretty much surrounded, apparently there is a route, humanitarian corridor between mariupol and another city, the road that has been mined or cut off in some way, and then of course we have kherson and up in this area, they are under siege. the plight trying to get out of the towns is difficult at the very least, impossible at the worst. >> it's incredibly difficult and you mentioned some southern towns. before the war started we were in the southern part of ukraine that's now actually controlled by russian forces in kherson, and this is an area that was really seen as the first line of defense from russian forces that could come into ukraine from crimea. and as we have noted, it's now occupied by russian troops but it's significant because it shows you how disconnected these different pockets of civilians are. extremely dangerous to be moving throughout the country right now. when the russians say an evacuation route available, it often might be the only option for civilians to flee. so again, they are faced with this decision, but i think it's important to paint the picture of what life was like there and also across the country just two weeks ago. it was tense, there was a real understanding that a russian invasion could take place any day. but life continued. cafes were open, restaurants, kids going to music recitals and going to concerts. it was an everyday city. this capital city of kyiv, the country was alive, and it was living and today it is so consumed by conflict and speaking with these people who are fleeing their home towns over the weekend was heartbreaking because you see with them they carry what they can. normally one bag with all of their belongings that they need, they carry their kids, pets, whatever they can grab, and they run. literally run away from russian forces and as they were doing that, our cameras capturing this, the russians are shelling them, firing mortars at these innocent civilians, and no other way to describe it, the hell on earth they are facing in ukraine and according to u.s. officials who testified before congress they expect it to get far worse before it gets better. >> john: a campaign of terror, no question about that, and the institute for study of war, jack keane's organization believes the russians are massing here on the east side of kyiv in preparation for some time in the next 24 to 96 hours beginning bombardment of kyiv to potentially pave the way foreground forces coming your way, trey. keep your head down. we'll get back to you soon. >> sandra: president biden putting new pressure on russia's president putin, announcing a u.s. ban on russian oil and energy imports, which helped finance putin's war in ukraine. all this as prices at the pump hitting an all-time high while the cost of crude oil continues to soar higher. recently hitting $130 a barrel. we'll have reaction just ahead from utah senator mike lee, plus william with a look at the gas prices but first, peter doocy is live at the white house where peter, the white house continues to push back that they are somehow limiting oil production here in the united states. >> yes, and sandra, to what you just said, the president says he does not want to subsidize putin's war, why he's going to ban u.s. oil imports from russia, but that means a big deficit, so the president is also now trying to set the record straight about how they are going to make up the difference. >> it's simply not true my administration or policies are holding back domestic energy production. it's not true. >> republicans say it is true. highest gas prices in history, since biden started his war on american emergency production, don't let dems and the media tell you this is because of ukraine, biden must end the war on energy now. they made it sound like it was a lever they would never pull because they admitted it would hurt people here too much. >> we don't have a strategic interest in reducing the global supply of energy. >> we don't have a strategic interest in reducing the global supply of energy. >> our objective is to ensure there is the greatest economic pain on russia and, not on the russian people but on president putin and to minimize the impacts on the american people. >> so today president biden did something, announced something he admits is going to raise gas prices here but he did not announce anything, any meaningful steps that are going to try to bring the prices down or keep them low. he did mention a release from the strategic reserves, but he did not mention the keystone xl pipeline. he did not mention ramping up energy production here in the united states, and he did not mention lifting regulations, which are the three things that industry critics really want him to do. sandra. >> sandra: very interesting. peter, thank you. john. >> john: americans are seeing the highest gas prices that they have ever seen now, national average hovering around $4.17 a gallon. the states highlighted there in yellow, prices are already well above that. and they seem to be heading further northward, though there was a little bit of mitigation, prices for the barrel of oil after president biden made his announcement today. william in the los angeles bureau has been following all of this. you talk about pain at the pump, you are at ground 0 there, william. >> 6.09 in west l.a., nearby, 6.99 # in mid city. the single largest driver of inflation. it has to absorb the price hike, why this is turning into the blame game with president biden blaming putin and warning of price gouging by big oil. critics blame the president for energy policy that does not encourage investment or underwriting of oil and gas production. caught in the middle, consumers. yesterday crashed the gas buddy website, searching where to save a nickel or dime on gas. >> never seen before, this is the first time in my life i see like 6.95, this is the regular price. >> i normally come here and it's 4.30, and now like a dollar up. i might not be able to eat lunch for the rest of the week. but i have to fill it up, right. >> there is no mark, when you need gas, you need gas. that's just how it goes. you have to get to work, you have to get to work. >> so how did we get here? the war in ukraine is part of it. but there is a war here at home as well over energy development. environmental groups will fight virtually every new well, pipeline, refinery or terminal. the president favors energy independence through renewables, not oil and gas. problem is, wind and solar are not transportation fuels. only 1% of cars are electric. majority of drivers in the u.s. or europe are paying the price. 2% of u.s. oil comes from russia, europe 27%, so the ban here actually hurts them more than us. >> very little u.s. oil comes from russia. only about 2% of our total requirements. therefore, the u.s. is in a position to ban imports of russian oil much more readily than the europeans are. >> so the bottom line is this economic fallout will continue as long as this war in ukraine does. there will be uncertainty in the markets as well as the price of gasoline. john. >> john: no question about that, and also the question what are we going to do to replace the russian oil. looking to some unsavory characters to do that. william, thanks, sandra. >> sandra: utah senator mike lee, great to have you here. a lot to get to. first put up on the screen how hard it's hitting the average american family. you look at gas prices continue to rise, 4.17 is the national average, that is today and a record high. and that is leading to forecasts now that those rising gas prices are going to cause serious pain for the average american household. in 2022, search is estimating it's going to cost the average family $2,000 more this year just because of the rise in the price of gasoline at the pump. that is a serious amount of dollars that will be leaving the american family just for gasoline, senator. >> no, that's right, sandra, and also compounding together with other inflationary forces. we found that just over the last year the average american household is spending $385 or more every single month on the things that they ordinarily buy. in utah, and other parts of the intermountain west, the number is higher, $511 a month. these are extra costs folded into everything people buy. they are not getting anything more in return for that. it's not like they are able to save for their child's college education with that additional $511 a month, it just goes into nothing. and the more that gasoline prices increase, the more that folds into everything else. in other words, it's not just about the gasoline to put in the car, but the higher fuel costs also get into groceries and everything else they purchase. >> and obviously there is a lot more to dig into there, including a new bankrate.com study that shows the average american family in the middle of this, spiking inflation, 65% of american families are living paycheck to paycheck right now, and that could become a much bigger problem if oil prices continue to go higher. here is president biden a moment ago when he announced the u.s. will ban all russian oil imports. listen. >> they have 9,000 permits to drill now, they could be drilling right now, yesterday, last week, last year, they are not using them for production now. that's their decision. >> sandra: is this something we have heard a lot from this administration, senator, heard it from president biden, heard it from jen psaki, heard it from the energy secretary granholm. they continue to tout they are not pulling back oil production in the country, they tout the 9,000 leases that are going untapped right now. why -- what is your response to that, based on the fact that oil is at $130 a barrel? if it behooves these companies to tap into the leases they would be doing so, why aren't they? >> these are rational actors. they are not tapping those, it's not profitable or hasn't been and he can say all he wants that there are oil leases that are still producing but not producing enough. on day one he canceled all oil and gas leasing on federal lands. he took keystone xl pipeline off the table. he has banned oil and gas development in places like anwar. these are things we need to be developing and there is a regulatory environment that is overtly hostile toward fossil fuels. we want to control inflation. president biden wants to control americans. he's got something very wrong there. we need to open up opportunities and that means producing more energy at home. we can produce energy here, oil and gas. less expensively, and in a more environmentally responsible fashion than they can do almost anywhere in the world. instead of doing these things, he's going to our enemies, hat in hand, asking them to produce more oil, that's wrong. >> sandra: i'll put up on the screen the share of u.s. petrol imports, and how much we have been taking in from russia, take that into consideration with the news we are banning that energy from coming to the united states, and end with this, senator, all the actions taking place to try to stop the pain that vladimir putin is putting on the people in ukraine and the pain and human suffering, it's devastating and the world continues to watch this. is anything we are doing right now going to stop vladimir putin? >> nothing we are doing has stopped him thus far. i can't tell the future, no one can. i would hope that cooler minds would prevail but they have a hard time doing that in a country dominated by one person, vladimir putin and that's kind of scary. but look, no reason we have to compound our own problems here. we become less capable of helping our own people and other people around the world when we commit unforced errors. and so this problem did not accrue overnight, it's a long developed, long, carefully nurtured set of circumstances brought about by the biden administration. the inflation of the united states and the energy sector are not attributable to vladimir putin. they are attributable here to bad policies at home, we have to turn those around. >> senator, appreciate your time. thank you very much for joining us and our hearts go out to all those who are battling this right now in this moment. so many heroes there trying to help these people. senator, thank you very much. and by the way, coming up, claire chase is going to be joining us, she comes from one of the largest oil producers in this country, the largest new mexico-based producer, her family is knee deep in all of this. we will ask her about that talking point we continue to hear, especially in the white house briefings about the 9,000 untapped oil leases. why aren't we tapping them. she has a very clear explanation of that. she'll be joining us as promised and larry kudlow will come on and whether or not the actions will bring down the prices. >> john: looking toward to that, and interesting to hear what claire has to say about it. over 2 million ukrainians have fled since the start of the war, many arriving in poland. food, water and medicine is hard to find. alex hogan is in eastern poland with the latest on the humanitarian crisis. how are they coping? >> hi, john. this humanitarian crisis continues to unfold. you can see the line of people behind me has stretched longer and longer. these are all refugees fleeing ukraine. but the overwhelming support we have seen for not only volunteers but the polish government has been the true act of humankindness. there are volunteers from all over supporting these people who have been travelling for days on end. there are food stands to keep them warm, tents set up to shelter them from the bitter cold this evening, and there's also a train station nearby where a photo went viral of strollers lined up, one after another, all dropped off by polish mothers who stood in solidarity with ukrainian mothers entering their country, a beautiful example of solidarity and motherhood, even in times of war and crisis. now, everyone that you see here did not evacuate russia -- did not evacuate ukraine when russia first invaded. they waited out, hoping that it would subside, and one woman i met named sasha said she hid in the basement of an elementary school with her son, they were there a week before she realized she needed to leave her husband and get her son out of the country. >> there was a lot of childs there, so i want to go home, i really want to go home. >> 2 million people have crossed the border and half of them are kids, that is 1 million children. sandra, john. >> john: alex hogan in poland. thank you so much, as we see the suffering of all the thousands of people behind us. we'll get back to you, thank you. a nuclear watchdog group says 200 workers at chernobyl nuclear power plant are there two weeks after russian seized it. the united states beefs up its presence in neighboring nations. jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon with the latest military moves. >> our own producers have spoken to the daughter of one of the ukrainian workers at the utility, at the nuclear facility at chernobyl, essentially being held hostage by the russian forces. 200 ukrainian guards in charge of security at the time of the assault also remain trapped. that according to the bbc. workers continue to go about their duties but food and medicine are limited, growing concerns that stress could be impacting their ability to safely carry out their duties at the nuclear site. russian soldiers have surrounded the perimeter of the plant. meantime, senior u.s. defense officials cannot confirm the killing of a top russian general near kharkiv, not the same as the head of russian's armed forces. u.s. defense officials also are not confirming the exact number of russian soldiers killed in ukraine, despite these remarks today by the head of u.s. defense intelligence agency, or d.i.a., at the worldwide threat assessment hearing on capitol hill with the nation's top intelligence chiefs. >> open session how many russian troops have been killed? >> with low confidence, somewhere between 2 and 4,000. that number comes from some intelligence sources but also open source and how we pull that together. >> analysts, putin is likely to be deterred by such setbacks and may double down to achieve ukrainian disarmament. >> using more force to crush ukraine. will haynes and the fbi director said russia and other bad actors support malign influence campaigns in the u.s. by particular groups, disinformation promoted by russian bots online, saying it's a phenomenon, expect it to be a threat. the c.i.a. director said during the hearing that ukraine has unsettled chinese president xi ping, as it has brought the u.s. and europe together. and china is aware for possible reputational damage. >> john: we'll see how worried he is about that. we are at the touch screen here, zoom in on the area around kyiv, according to jack keane's organization, the institute for the study of war, russian forces are sort of amassing here in the northwestern, the eastern, and the northeastern sections around kyiv, and the outskirts there, trying to encircle the capital city, for potential bombardment for the russian forces to try to move in. an open question as to whether or not they can do that. what are they saying at the pentagon? >> we just had a briefing at the pentagon, we learned that general jack keane's assessment is correct. they are trying, the russian forces are trying to come into kyiv from three sides, but they are held up at chernihiv. that city has put up quite a fight and they are bogged down there. but yes, they are trying to come from the north, the northeast and they eventually want to encircle kyiv, the capital city. >> john: you probably saw trey reporting what's going on in sumy here, northwest of kyiv and chernihiv, attacks in kharkiv, and also the southern part of the country as well. when we look at mariupol and melitopol, kherson over here, and cities to the north and west of that, heading toward odesa, the civilian population really has been hit very, very hard. some people are saying well, we are going to the international criminal court to investigate whether there's war crimes here. but really, jen, this has turned into a campaign of terror on vladimir putin's part. >> absolutely, and in fact russian forces have had more success in the south than they have up in the capital kyiv as we have been reporting. but what they are resorting to and what they plan to resort total of these city centers, population centers is a siege. they are encircling them, firing missiles and rockets and artillery into the cities killing civilians at an incredible rate, turning off the electricity and water. reports from inside mariupol they have not had water in five days. so the impact on civilians, they are using civilians as a weapon and they are not afraid, the russian forces, to kill civilians in the process. >> john: jen griffin in the pentagon, thank you. sandra, the same technique, same tactic, same twisted strategy putin used when he attacked georgia and chechnya, and that is to lay waste of the civilian populations and some of the beautiful old eastern european cities to try to break the will of the population, put pressure on their political leaders to say it's time to throw in the towel. >> sandra: and mentioned on international women's day, alex hogan's reporting and jen griffin as well, and alex brings the images of women helping each other out. we have seen so many babies and children, refugees from ukraine making it over the border and this image really has stayed with us throughout, hasn't it, john. of strollers dropped off by polish mothers knowing these ukrainian women are coming over the border with babies in need of things like this, and it is a sign of strength in the middle of so much horrific things that are happening over there, that women always step up for other women, and we always help each other out and never mess with a mother, right, john. we are both parents, and what's happening over there, it warms your heart to see acts of kindness like that toward each other. >> john: it is quite amazing and the toughness of the ukrainian women as well, and we will talk to one of them as well, kira rudik, she has armed herself to the teeth to defend her country. and dmitri peskof said if you change your constitution, declare neutrality like switzerland and give russia this section of the country and we can end this tomorrow. of course the ukrainian leadership is saying no to that. >> sandra: very interesting analysis. we were going through that this morning. we look forward to that with mr. o'brien coming in. and some 200,000 people are currently staying in the city while another 50,000 pass through the rail station daily. mike tobin is live in lviv on this story. pictures are unbelievable, mike. >> and sandra, the flow of refugees here is constant. coming by car, they are coming by train, they are coming by bus. you mentioned the train station, it conjures up images not seen since world war ii. 50,000 are passing through the station every day, and the lviv arena is a coordination center to get the refugees fed, cared for and into some kind of temporary housing. >> the most that psychological help is bad because they saw bombs and they are moved in a very stressful circumstances from their places of living. >> 2 million refugees have crossed border, roughly 10% of them are staying in lviv and they need somewhere to stay. we found an art studio downtown converted into temporary housing and a woman who fled the fighting in donbas to live in kyiv and now flee the fighting in the capital city. >> why would anyone deserve to be deprived of their houses, deprived of their families, their dreams, lives, for no reasons. i don't see, i don't think someone deserves that at all. >> to give you an idea how everyone in this area is part of the effort, victor is the coordinator at the lviv arena, and he says whenever they run out of food, he puts a message on facebook or twitter and food shows up. >> john: yesterday we were talking with franklin graham, whose organization, samaritan purse has sent a field hospital to deal with the influx of people. in terms of medical care, in terms of services that these poor folks who are trying to flee the fighting have got, can lviv handle the influx or do they need more help from the outside? >> i talked with the deputy mayor today and he says they do indeed have the ability to handle the influx. they have the medical facilities here, they definitely are swamped, everyone is busy, but they can handle the injured who are coming in. you don't see that many injured, frankly, and what you heard from victor stepanok, they are injured psychologically. >> sandra: the video you just brought us is humbly what the people are going through and the strength you see from the people. we have been talking about the kids, especially those that alex hogan has been showing filing on the busses after they make the long journey across the border and the strength of those kids, it stays with you, those images. as much as they have been through, the smile on their faces, it will brighten anybody's day. >> it's really remarkable and we have seen some of the kids in this temporary housing. out in the street playing, acting the way kids act, despite the fact they have been displaced from their homes and that makes your point, the strength of the human spirit can surprise you when it's called upon. >> sandra: and you as well. mike tobin from lviv ukraine. >> john: as promised, the former national security advisor for president trump, robert o'brien. let's start with what i was talking about a moment ago, the kremlin's negotiating position to the ukrainian leadership to say change the constitution to declare your country neutral, disarm, acknowledge that crimea is russian territory and also recognize the independence of donetsk and become switzerland, give us a fifth of your country it can all end tomorrow. how do you see that offer? >> we don't even know if it's a real offer. my take is psychological warfare to try to break down the will of the ukrainian people to fight and i think you and sandra have been commenting on, the civilians and the soldiers is impressive. fighting for the freedom and their country and have not seen that type of resistance in a long time, god bless them. >> we don't know what putin is after, after crimea and the donbas region, after the entire country, admiral heinz was talking before the house intelligence committee this morning and suggested that based on how russian troops are doing in ukraine, putin's ultimate goals may change a little, listen here. >> we assess putin field aggrieved the west does not give him proper deference and a war he cannot afford to lose. what he might accept is a victory may change over time given the significant costs he's incurring. >> john: what do you think about the putin goals may be fluid? >> there is some truth over there. we were worried about the russian military even a few weeks ago, and putin said he wants ukraine, and said he wants finland, right now he's not doing too well in ukraine. so i think nato is feeling confident in their ability to repel a russian attack, short of a nuclear attack, his forces are weak, stymied, he may be able to take something what his original goal was. but his goal for many years is to reestablish the soviet empire and we have to help the ukrainians fight that and keep the commitments up to the baltic states with article 5 of nato and make sure it stops here and no further. >> john: given the way russian forces are underperforming to assessments in ukraine and not the swift victory vladimir putin was hoping for, what is his standing there in the halls of power in moscow, and is there potential that saner heads may prevail at some point? >> nothing to suggest he does not have a firm grip on the kremlin. he was a k.g.b. leader, surrounded by k.g.b. leaders, good at hanging on to power. but if i was vladimir putin i would start thinking about ping and what he's looking at, and maybe taking taiwan if the west response to ukraine was weak. but remember, in the 1860 treating of peking, the chinese believe was a humiliating treaty, russia took thousands of miles of outer manchuria. maybe ping is thinking about going west instead of east and taking back all the land that the soviets took from where the russians took back in the 1860s. this performance of the russian military has to be giving xi some ideas and china, so i think putin has to look over every shoulder at this point. >> john: the great game continues despite the fact that people are dying by the hundreds. robert o'brien, always good to talk to you and get your pick on things. appreciate it. >> great to be with you, keep the ukrainians in your prayers. >> john: stunning video that caught our eye from sunday, from irpin, about 20 miles northwest of kyiv, innocent civilians, including children and elderly women attempting to cross what's left of a bridge that was destroyed to prevent russian forces from coming across that bridge. this video gives you a glimpse into what ordinary ukrainians are living through and shows the true human toll of war. we should point out as well, people were huddled by the hundreds underneath that bridge and it was not far from the bridge that that family of three and a friend who was travelling with them were killed by a russian round, whether it be a mortar round or artillery shell. when you look at that, sandra, you've got to feel for the people of ukraine. >> you do, and they are fleeing their homes and don't know what lies ahead for them, don't know their future or where they are going, but still show such strength and defiance as we see time and time again in the videos coming from there, and our prayers are with them, and we know they have a long journey ahead of them, and this is -- this is war, john, and it's horrific to think. a stick in hand, though, and you know what, she knows she's fleeing to safety and we wish the best for everyone on the journey. >> john: the only thing for those folks, they are headed toward kyiv, now in the gun sights of russia. so hopefully they can make a turn and head west toward the border with poland. >> sandra: yeah, all right. we will continue to watch their journey and report on it. meanwhile, the russian invasion of ukraine is a major test for the nato alliance as ukraine asks for help to defeat the russians. there have been grave concerns among nato members if they get too involved it could lead to a full blown war with russia. eric joins us in studio, he has more on that. >> ukraine is not a member of nato, which is why the international force whose migs would be to stop vladimir putin's aggression has not come to its aid. >> if there's one thing that putin really fears, it is nato. putin understands that nato represents the strength of the west. >> nato, the north atlantic treaty organization, is a military alliance started in 1949 for the west to face the threat from the soviet union. >> there must be no waivering in our support of the north atlantic alliance, that has stopped the spread of communism in europe and the mediterranean. >> at first, 12 countries signed on. four more joined by the end of the cold war. the key section calling for collective defense, armed attack against one or more of them shall be considered an attack against them all. that so far has only been invoked once in response to the attacks on 9/11. 2004 saw the largest expansion, seven nations, including three former soviet baltic states. now, nato numbers 30 countries and others besides ukraine like finland and georgia want in. >> they see what has happened to ukraine, and countries neutral in europe have a vested interest to becoming members of the nato alliance. >> for now, nato can only sit on the sidelines to prevent a wider war. and today the secretary general says nato is boosting defenses to make sure the members near russia and ukraine, that they don't become vladimir putin's next target. sandra. >> sandra: so much uncertainty, you have to have a plan for absolutely everything. great to see you in studio, thank you very much. >> john: more new video on ukraine, bryan joins us from new york. >> breaking right now, mcdonalds is pulling out of russia after increasing pressure to close its restaurants in that country. 850 restaurants in russia will be temporarily closed. mcdonald's says it will continue to pay its 62,000 employees in russia in a letter the c.e.o. said that you know, that they were closing this because they could not ignore the "needless human suffering in ukraine." mcdonald's owns about 84% of its russian restaurants and about 9% of the company's total revenue was from russia and ukraine. and then continuing with new video that's just gone into our newsroom, this is from western kharkiv, continuing to show the horrific damage there from shelling from the russians in ukraine's second largest city. this is significant, significant damage there. we now know at least 27 civilians have been killed in attacks by russian forces in kharkiv in the last 24 hours. that, according to ukrainian regional police official there. overall, 170 people have been killed in the kharkiv region. that has been really decimated by russian forces there. united nations is reporting there are a total of 474 civilians killed, that is confirmed by the united nations, john, they believe that number to be significantly higher, but obviously during the course of this war it takes some time to make these -- to confirm these deaths. among those confirmed dead, at least 17 children, john, as a humanitarian crisis there continues. >> john: we saw two of them were killed in that missile attack on sumy, along with 19 adults. casualties of war are going to continue to mount and as you pointed out, the count is always low at the beginning and inevitably rises. bryan, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is defiant, to say russia should be considered a terrorist state. trey is in kyiv, ukraine for us at this hour. hi, trey. >> sandra, good afternoon. today ukrainian president zelenskyy addressed british parliament. said we will fight in the forests, the shores and the streets, echoing the words of winston churchill. he was trying to rally the lawmakers to put more and more pressure on vladimir putin and officials in moscow. calling for tougher sanctions in addition to any sort of military support that can be given to the ukrainians. this could be in the form of anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft batteries, and even ammunition, and even doubled down on his calls for a no-fly zone despite the fact that members of nato have been very resistant to this idea. the zelenskyy continues to address lawmakers around the world. world leaders and people who can make decisions and help the ukrainian people in this time of need, nearly two weeks into the russian invasion. but he's also speaking today directly to the civilians in ukraine, urging them to maintain a high level of resistance and prepare for a fierce battle ahead. here is what he had to say earlier today. >> snow fell, it's that kind of springtime. you see, it's the kind of wartime, the kind of springtime, harsh, but we will win. >> president zelenskyy showing the russians where he's at, despite the fact there are credible reports about his life, hit squads coming to the capital city and the u.s. believes he is number one on the kill list if they make it to the ukrainian capital. >> john: the united states will ban the import of russian oil, u.k. announcing similar things, will phase out importation of russian oil. any response from folks that you've been talking to there on the ground in kyiv about this latest move? >> every time we see a major move here the response from officials in kyiv is basically what took them so long. this level of them being thankful for the support from the united states and also a question why it did not come sooner. last week when i talked with the ukrainian president he said the same thing. he gave a message of thankfulness to the biden administration, and the officials in washington but also doubled down on this idea asking the question, why didn't this happen soon he were, and he said it was a pity that it took so long to receive this level of support. so i think the main message we will continue to hear out of kyiv is one of urgency, one of despair, and it's one of a true need for assistance as the russian invasion continues. john, sandra. >> john: the same thing with weapons as well, all the countries to get weapons in ukraine and the leaders saying why didn't you do this back in november. trey, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: gas prices hitting new record highs as the national average soars now to 4.17 a gallon. when the administration is asked how we are going to bring the prices down, the white house continues to point to this. listen. >> they have 9,000 permits to drill now, they could be drilling right now, yesterday, last week, last year. >> the oil and gas industry is literally sitting on stockpiles. over 9,500 permits have been issued that are not being used. >> they have not taken advantage of the permits that they have. the land that they have. >> sandra: it's not any of their policies that are to blame for skyrocketing prices, it's the oil producers' fault. they are not tapping into the access that they already have. joining us is claire chase, director of government relations at mack energy corporations, her family owns the most oil leases in the state of new mexico, the second biggest producing state in the country. great to have you here. we promised our viewers yesterday after we heard this exchange with jen psaki and our own peter doocy at the white house yesterday. listen. >> you say you are going to do everything that you can to reduce the impact that high gas prices has on americans. we are asking other countries to think about maybe pumping more oil. why not just do it here? >> well, to be very clear, federal policies are not limiting the supplies of oil and gas. let me finish, to the -- let me finish -- >> executive order his first week that halted new oil and gas -- >> peter, let me give you the facts here. one of the largest producers with the strong domestic oil and gas industry. we have actually produced more oil, it is at record numbers. >> sandra: all right, so, claire, you have a real insiders' look at this. first take on the 9,000 untapped oil leases in this country. the administration says if those were tapped, that would help bring prices down. why don't companies want to tap into them? >> well, first of all, sandra, thank you for having me, but the rhetoric coming out of the white house is really frustrating because it's not as simple as there are 9,000 permits that have not been drilled. a lot of other issues, we also need rights-of-way to build the road to the lease or lay the line to ensure we can move our proikt, and so you know, we have that issue, but then we also have the same issues that are facing every other industry today. we have the same supply shortages and we have labor shortages. so, one, we can't find the people we need to be able to man up a drilling rig and two, we can't even buy things like steel casing, protects the ground water when we drill for the oil. so i think what the white house is saying is dis -- >> i keep saying -- and you were in the oil business since you were a kid, the day you were born, wouldn't companies want to take advantage of record high oil and gas prices, wouldn't they want to take advantage $130 oil prices, but the president said this this morning when he announced the ban on russian imports. >> it's simply not true my administration or policies are holding back domestic energy production, it's simply not true. >> sandra: nobody better to respond to that, claire. >> well, it is true and it's true because the regulatory environment they put on us as well. from day one, president biden signals he does not want oil and gas production on federal lands. as your reporter peter doocy had mentioned, on executive order, paused the ability to lease federal lands right at the beginning. and more to harm the industry than he has good, so for him to say my administration is not doing that, it absolutely is. we can read the tea leaves, we hear the signals you are sending, and you know, no reason for us to want to really ramp up and political environment that is going to try to then turn around and shut us down or fine us a million, you know, millions upon millions of dollars, and so the answer to all of this is truly for them to go back to the trump administration policies that allow us to drill in the cleanest, most environmentally responsible way in the world and provide the oil and the natural gas that america and european union and the rest of the world needs. we don't need to rely on iran or venezuela or saudi arabia. we can do it right here. if the president would just let us. >> sandra: claire, let me finish with this point. one day in the briefing room, jen psaki, said back to one of our reporters, call them, ask them why they are not tapping. is it fair based on everything you just told us to say the reason why you are sitting on these leases and not tapping them even though oil looks very profitable for you at $130 a barrel, is because there is too much risk involved and uncertainty under this administration, is that fair? >> that is 100% fair, sandra. i think we really need to know that once we start drilling for oil, that we are going to be able to continue to produce that without, you know, getting fined or without new rules and regulations coming down on us. we -- we really do an incredible job of protecting the environment and protecting air and water and it's much better than anywhere else in the world. why we are not relying on american energy is really just beyond me. >> sandra: appreciate you joining us, and i promised our viewers after we saw the exchange yesterday that we would call somebody who sits on the leases and ask them why they are not tapping into them and now we at least heard from you and your company. thank you very much, claire. thanks for joining us. all right, john. >> john: another read what it's like on the ground in ukraine, bring in kira rudik, and i want to put up a photograph you tweeted out a little while ago. you said you had been practicing, you've got your weapons with you, and a couple beside you as well and you are ready to get into the fight if and when called to duty. before we get into the ground, what's going on there on the ground in kyiv, i wanted to ask you first of all for your reaction on what president biden said this morning about banning the importation of russian oil to the united states and the united kingdom, beginning now to make a similar move. >> so, we are super thankful. this is very excellent when you almost crying because you say like thank you, thank you for that. we do understand here that it's a sacrifice for american people. it's a sacrifice for united states, for united kingdom because they will be paying for supporting ukraine, and this is so amazing, this is the support we are getting. because we are all united against one enemy. and we know the name of this enemy and we know we have to take them down. so we do hope that this will help, and we do really appreciate what's happening, that's true. and here you can imagine people here with me, they don't really -- are not very much into economy but when they heard the news they were standing up and giving a round of applause. this is the feeling that we are getting here. they say -- >> sandra: wow, that's -- that's really something. do they believe this will work or have any influence over putin's next moves? >> that's a good question. so, we have two sides here. emotional one, the world is standing behind us, and the practical one, like how fast we work, because right now this is a time, and how fast we will feel necessity to -- and how fast he will be out. that, for that i think we would need germany to do the same, and this is what i'm waiting for. we would like to remind mr. scholz on his promises that were given because what we see right now is trying to still remain with the russian getting oil for some of the european countries, and the sacrifice that the american citizens are doing, it will be just -- russia will still have the market, russia will still be able to sell its resources. so let's see if it works. i can tell you like what would definitely work and i will say it once again, because this is for my people, this is important. the no-fly zone will work. the jets that we need to receive will work. the additional air force protection will work because it will give us the power to answer to the force with the force. and the military support needs to go along with the economic support and we see, do really see economic support from the united states and we want to see the military support because this is what we need badly. this time, we are buying it with our own lives right now, with our blood we are spilling, for sanctions to have time to work and i heard you talking with the previous guest regarding why the president is saying you should have done it earlier, because he understands that for us every new sanction means we will have to give it like a month work, a month for putin to get the feeling and for people of russia to start worrying and to start being really angry, and for this month we will lose so many people in ukraine, children are dying right now of missing water supplies, we will lose people who are in the cities under besiege, and our cities will be destroyed and this is -- this is the war that we are all at together, and we, and we do appreciate the help of our allies, we do really appreciate it. >> john: it's horrible and tragic what has happened to the ukrainian civilian population during this invasion. you know, to your point there, what would have happened if you had the 7,000 javelin missiles being shipped to you now when russia first invaded. would that invasion have even gotten off the ground. but you mentioned again, speaking of getting off the ground, this idea of a no-fly zone. here is what the nato secretary general said about it yesterday, he said "the only way to implement a no-fly zone is to send nato planes, fighter planes into ukrainian air space and then impose the no-fly zone by shooting down russian planes. if we did that, we will end up in something that could end up with a full-fledged war in europe involving more countries and much more human suffering." >> first of all, there are other ways to provide us with the no-fly zone and as we have seen -- >> john: can i just ask how? >> well, give the jets to poland, poland gives jets to us, we have more jets, and we are fighting russia in the air. second, we are getting more air force protection. but let me -- instead of this technique of how we are getting it done, let me talk to you about politics, about how the world should look. so putin cannot even get any of the large ukrainian cities. so, why would then the world war iii is the thing that the nato allies think they will lose. they are in this already. they understand that putin is crazy, that he could bombard the nuclear plant as he was already doing. so this is a security threat not only for ukraine, it's the security threat to the whole europe and the whole world, and we are warning about this, like everybody is afraid he will push the red button. he will not push the red button, he will bombard the nuclear plants because this is the easier way to do it and afterwards blame it on somebody else. so, this is why in the security protection and i want to touch an important point that budapest memorandum. in 1994, ukraine, russia, united states, united kingdom, shook hands and signed the budapest memorandum when ukraine gave up all the nuclear missiles, yeah, and then -- and for the support, and promises of the security of its sovereignty. right now we want to cash this ticket and we are being told yeah, we don't want the world war iii. we gave up our nuclear arsenal and now they say can you please do what you said you will do. so, this is a complicated matter and let me get, make it very clear. we do appreciate everything that has been done for us. we understand it's right now what can be done, political organization, etc. but i want to break the illusion that it's only ukrainian's business, the war with russia. it's a problem for the whole world. we know what would happen if ukraine fails, then poland is next, and putin was very adamant about this, and nuclear threat and continue and continue, so i think that no-fly zone will be here, i'm very concerned that it may be too late. >> john: kira, we will keep following this and see which way it goes. for now the answer is, i know you don't like to hear it, no. but we'll get back to you, stay safe. stay safe, we'll get back to you. sandra. >> sandra: thank you very much, kira. two hearings on capitol hill dealing with the war in ukraine, one of which focussed from the global threats from enemies abroad like russian. aisha has the latest at the top of the hour for us. >> hi there, sandra. good afternoon to you. bone chilling information out of the security hearing this morning, specifically on the nuclear threat, the general nuclear threat to the united states, the homeland, listen to what the intelligence officials told lawmakers. >> be correct to characterize likely your assessment is that the threat is increasing? >> that the threat is increasing generally, yes, i think that's fair. >> director burns. >> i would add, i absolutely agree the threat is increasing. >> you believe the threat is increasing. >> lawmakers also further drilled down on russia's veiled threat to use nuclear weapons as a war on ukraine continues to deteriorate on how the u.s. is responding to the threat on cyber attacks. the n.s.a. director interestingly enough pushed those questions to a closed session with lawmakers but fbi director said they are concerned about cyber criminals who have already declared their intention to support the russian government. in the meantime, sandra, this is happening as lawmakers are still working to put together this bill that includes security and humanitarian aid for ukraine. that is due in just about three days. they have still not put it together, or put it for a vote yet. we are still watching that. sandra. >> sandra: thank you, aisha. john. >> john: just past 2:00, 9:00 p.m. in ukraine, president biden says we will not be part of subsidizing putin's war. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america reports." john roberts in washington. >> sandra: sandra smith in new york. the president announcing a ban on russian oil into the united states. the goal to tighten the screws on vladimir putin and the overall russian economy. the president also warned getting ready, those record high gas prices, they could be going even higher in the wake of all this already at a record high, john. >> john: in ukraine, deadly campaign rages on. russian forces and the advance from the northeast and south as ukrainians flee westward for southern. sumy is the latest scene of russia's atrocities. civilians if they can, escaping on busses leaving behind the lives they once knew for an uncertain future. >> sandra: sumy was to be a corridor to escape, but russian missiles rained down on the city killing at least 21 people, including children. >> john: we have complete coverage this hour, including bret baier here in the studio. benjamin hall is in the capital city of kyiv to kick us off this hour. >> hi, john. today you would have to say we have just seen more of what we have seen over the last week. humanitarian aid struggling to get in, struggling to get the cities so badly needed. people struckgling to get out, continuing to be shelled, and civilians dying by increasing numbers. yet again russia is accused of shelling evacuation routes out of mariupol, leaving 300,000 trapped. they have no water, food, heat, and death toll is unknown. one successful evacuation from sumy, 3500 people taken out on busses. the first successful prearranged evacuation since the evacuation, and russia is mining some of the roads out. 21 civilians were killed in a single strike on the city, rescuers trying to find survivors in the collapsed rubble of the buildings. in kharkiv, 26 killed. and talked about the second world war. >> we don't want to lose what we have, what is ours, our country, ukraine. just the same as you didn't want to lose your country when nazis started to fight your country and you had to fight for britain. >> around kyiv, more scenes of desperation, ukrainians tried to flee, growing bombardment. young and other crossing the irpin river to reach the meltive safety of the capital. the mayor said he would never surrender. people are staying and fighting, even against all odds, and even when they are told their cities, towns will be razed to the ground, they are staying and fighting. it is a country that feels to some degree that it is holding back the russian army, and they are not going to stop now. john. >> sandra: that is remarkable, benjamin. and back to the words of the member of parliament that joined us, talking about the emotional boost she said it gave the ukrainian people and the fighters on the ground hearing the latest actions that the united states took to ban that russian oil, and there are continued moves by u.s. corporations, including mcdonald's, shuttered 850 restaurants in russia and you continue to see that sort of give those people on the ground, the ukrainians, the emotional boost they clearly need to continue on with this fight, benjamin. >> yeah, absolutely. every action the west takes is received warmly over here. they are grateful for it. but say sanctions have not deterred in the past, sanctions too late, weapons were not delivered early enough, we need more. and the fact there are so many russian soldiers they will keep coming. a commander earlier said we are killing russians constantly, shooting their tanks but they keep coming and at some point the tide will turn one way or another. don't know which way that will go at this point but the feeling that putin, somewhat cornered, is going do launch his final assault on the capital kyiv where we are soon because he wants to take it. this would sway the odds in his favor. sandra. >> john: benji, it's john here. breaking news, this statement from the minister of foreign affairs for the republic of poland says the authorities of the republic of poland after consultations between the president and the government are ready to deploy immediately and free of charge all of their mig 29 jets to the ramstein air base and disposal of the government of the united states of america. so they are taking the mig 29 fighters, move those to germany and the united states has already said that they want to take those migs and transfer them to ukraine. the same time, poland urging other new nato members who might have migs, possibly romania, hungary, slovakia, and the czech republic has some migs, and send those to ramstein as well to be deployed for ukraine. we just confirmed that romania does have the mig 29. this is something ukraine has been asking for. we heard kira rudik asking for please send the aircraft. if the united states through germany or nato sends the migs, how much will that help in the fight against the russian military and b, could it be a trigger for vladimir putin to retaliate? >> well, first of all, it's going to be well received on the ground. we have been watching the negotiations going on, pols wanted to backfill with jets from the u.s.. vladimir putin said if any planes came from other countries to here, that would be an act of war. and not just about giving the jets, servicing them, getting them to the country. whether or not ukrainian pilots will go to ramstein and fly them in, but that will make a huge difference here. you know, it's remarkable that russia does not yet have air superiority in the country. we expected that to happen very quickly, it simply didn't. and so now with extra jets coming, that could sway things in a big way. we talk about the convoy sitting here, we talk about the armored vehicles moving toward the capital. if they can be taken out, large parts of the conveys can be taken out, that will make a big difference. that is significant news and no doubt will be incredibly well received here on the ground, john. >> john: not only does poland have migs, but also called on other nato members who have migs, slovakia, romania, and bulgaria as well. so potentially mig fighter jets, at least one headed to germany and then into ukraine, could be more than that. benjamin hall for us. >> very significant. thanks, john. i was going to say the only other thing they are looking for now are the s-300 air defense systems and talks of those, akin to the u.s. patriot. if they got those as well as the migs, that could really sway the direction of this war, john. >> john: we'll keep watching as this all unfolds. >> sandra: team coverage continues now. mike tobin live in the western ukrainian city of lviv. mike, your thoughts on this breaking news as we know just sunday secretary blinken said in moldova that poland had "the green light to give those mig-29s to ukraine in return for new u.s. f-16s," but poland was cool to the idea then, it's obviously big news they have decided to move forward with sending in the mig-29 jets. >> the president made it clear he was reluctant to take that step that could slide poland into this conflict, he did not want the jets taking off out of poland and necessarily want to be a contributor to the jets. interesting in terms of how they are handling it. i talked with a number of individuals and they say what they wanted was the -- was the air space closed, keep saying close the sky because the fight is not even. they say they can match the russians on the ground, one individual says we will kill them like rats. so, this does to an extent bring about some equality, because the russians have dominance but not air superiority. so, this does certainly change the dynamic, and changes the dynamic in a way the people here in ukraine want very much because they feel with their fighting spirit and fighting for their home they have an advantage if you can keep everything equal on the ground, now what you've done instead is made things more equal in the sky, depending on how this is executed. >> john: it's john here. i'm wondering what the reaction of vladimir putin is going to be to all of this. i assume it's not going to be good. >> no, and you heard him say that any act like this or planes taking off, etc., would be perceived as an act of war on the part of the west. and it's very interesting how hard and fast that line at the polish border is in terms of both e.u. and nato. but now it will remain to be seen where the planes are going to take off from. if you talk about the planes transferred to ramstein, if they are in ukraine here, seems a lot of the air strips have been bombed and when they started talking with the west about possibly making a deal to get some planes out here, we saw the cruise missiles go to that airport in the center of the country and obliterate the airport that was both civilian and military use. so if you put the planes on the ground here, are they sitting ducks. how are you going to execute this. it's going to be interesting to see how this all comes together, john and sandra. >> sandra: all really, really good points. associated press in the lead-up to this made the very same point saying "it isn't clear if ukraine would be able to safely house and service them in the long run given the warfare in the territory". another question they say to resolve how to deliver the planes to ukraine. obviously that has to get figured out, if it isn't already. mike, thank you, see you again shortly. >> john: bring in the anchor special report bret baier, your reaction to this idea that the migs, these 29s, not the latest and greatest aircraft but capable fighters, no question, transferred to ramstein and potentially ukraine. >> and the ukrainians fly them, so it fits in with their air defenses. it's significant. i think this was in the works after secretary blinken said it over the weekend that the u.s. was giving a green light. logistics are interesting, moving them from poland, borders ukraine to germany to ramstein air base at which point originally there was a thought that the ukrainian pilots would come to whatever air base, get in the planes and fly them back. to mike's point, where are they landing, what's going to happen. i think there are a lot of questions here, and to your point about vladimir putin, there is this calculation as he continues to step up and to hear the intel chiefs say he's going to double down and it's going to get really ugly, that line is blurred about how far you care what putin says. obviously there is this balancing of world war iii and nukes, but atrocities is starting to get the world on the same page of providing weapons even though it crosses putin's line. >> sandra: bret, it was quite remarkable when we had kira joining us, a member of parliament joined us last hour, we have her on frequently across the network. remarkable to hear her talking about those around her standing up and applauding the most recent efforts on the united states, the most recent decision to ban imports of energy from russia. quite an emotional moment for these people, obviously to see the world rallying behind them and yet another way and now this news, too, that poland is stepping up ready to deploy the mig-29s. it has to be a big boost at a time they need it. >> and comes as president zelenskyy talked to the house of commons in the u.k., saw his speech to the e.u. that also ended with the standing ovation. he is quite the orator with what they are fighting for and will not give up on the ground in ukraine and it is a unity moment. the brits are doing the same thing on the oil and gas, and they are taking more of a hit than we are, as far as percentage of what they use from russia. >> and their gas is also well above $7 a gallon as well. >> john: it's interesting that oil prices have fallen back a bit, brent crude, 130, and the dow is positive, but not as positive as minutes ago. some calm in the markets i thought was weird based on the fact we just stopped importing 12 million barrels of oil every month. but the plan or the lack of one the biden administration has to make up for this, do you find that troubling? >> i think there is a sense that more has to happen, and maybe the market is taking that in as well. it's always about what is baked in the cake. having the president talk about oil leases that are active currently is interesting, the fact that he's going to texas for a different kind of event after talking about oil today is interesting, and you are right. the administration is going to come to a point where they are going to draw a line, and that line right now is no u.s. troops or direct action inside, including a no-fly zone. but providing these weapons, providing these planes and how to get there is a big part of this. >> sandra: bret, we will see you 6:00 tonight, special report, a lot happening right now. there will be then as well. we'll be watching. thank you very much, bret. >> john: looking forward to it. thanks so much, bret. >> sandra: countless ukrainians making tough choices so many of us will fortunately never have to face. [child crying] >> sandra: takes your breath away. ukrainian police officer saying good-bye to his family, just way too many moments like this that we continue to witness. west of kyiv, not much more information on the exact video, but it speaks for itself. a little baby not wanting his daddy to go away. that police officer saying good-bye to his wife and children and the baby son not taking it so well. that family like so many others, unsure whether they will see each other again. it is just a snapshot of what is unfolding each hour, each day, as we watch the invasion of ukraine continue, john. >> john: they say war is hell and that was an image of why they say war is hell. you have to feel so much for that family and for that little boy. he's hitting his dad in the head saying don't go, don't go, don't go, his father has no choice. >> sandra: and we pray he will safely return to that baby boy. >> john: we do, and so many others as well. a guilty verdict in the first january 6th rioter case to go to trial. bryan joins us from new york. >> breaking news out of washington, d.c., a january 6th capitol rioter found guilty, convicted of a jury of his peers for actions on that day. 49-year-old found guilty of five federal counts, obstructing an official proceeding, obstructing justice by threatening his own children to not go to law enforcement or else. he was accused of storping the capitol with a holstered handgun strapped to his waist. a maximum of 20 years in prison depending on the sentencing. took the jury three hours to find him guilty. the first time in all the hundreds of people prosecuted by the federal government, the first time that a jury has come back with the guilty verdict against guy wesley refit and one of the rioters. >> john: bryan, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: thank you. president biden announcing a ban on imports of russian oil. >> john: larry kudlow with reaction on that in a moment. first of all, texas republican senator john cornyn, i don't believe has a microphone yet. so, listen, can we get him mic'd up, jackie? senator, stay with us, we have a bit of a technical issue we hope to iron out, i'm sorry about that. sandra, these things happen from time to time, and we are shuttling a lot of people in. do we have a microphone? >> sandra: let's turn to our friend larry kudlow, he's ready to go. we'll get back to you and the senator in a second. >> you want me to front run john cornyn? my goodness, he's an old friend. thank you, thank you. >> sandra: we'll hear from him in a moment. big day for the markets, oil, and the invasion of ukraine. does banning russian imports at this point have any impact on vladimir putin and his next move? >> i don't think so, particularly perhaps more symbolic. you are talking about 200,000 barrels a day, it's not nothing that would be refined for gasoline purposes, the rest would be for other things. it's a good idea. anything to reduce cash flow going to putin and his war machine is a good thing, ok, it's a good thing. i wish we had done it quite some time ago, to be honest with you. the trouble with the announcement was he took shots at the oil and gas industry, no price gouging, no excess profits, and he's going to texas, he should do it today but not, meeting with all the fossil fuel people, the greatest industry in this country, greatest industry around the world, and asking them to turn the spigots on full hog as soon as possible and say he will cooperate by reducing regulatory barriers spread across the government. >> sandra: and by the way, if you even listen to the oil and gas industry they will very clearly and happily explain how they were able to drill more cleanly today than ever before in this country, larry. we had someone who is a very good representative of the oil business, her family big into it, she works for a big oil producing company out of new mexico, biggest in the state, new mexico is one of the biggest producers in the country. asked her point blank, why is it the white house continues to tout 9,000 oil leases, untapped, she said it was -- >> we also have the same issues facing every other industry today. we have the same supply shortages and we have labor shortages. so, one, we can't find the people that we need to be able to man up a drilling rig and two, we can't even buy things like steel casing that protects the ground water when we drill in the soil. so i think what the who us is saying is disingenuous at best. >> and to say the oil industry is not benefitting from the $130 a barrel is hard to believe. >> if biden had class at all he would have thanked the oil industry for self-sanctioning. most of them have closed down trading and financing and refining, including the big, big guys, like exxon mobile and b.p. and even shell which did some business with it and had a bad reaction and they came around, that's exactly right. i bet conoco will come, too. this leasing thing is a red herring. normally 40,000 leases outstanding, but that does not matter. they need permits for actual sales, for actual drilling, and for actual pipe lining. and the whole story is they are not getting any applications through. interior department is stopping them, the energy department is stopping them, e. p. a. is stopping them and under assault from the s.e.c. and not to make loans to oil companies. >> sandra: and you get pretty much into the weeds in the oil business, but one of my sources also explained to me, and had my brain room dig this up last night, under the trump administration, while you were there larry, far less leases untapped. 5,000 plus range. the reason why the numbers went up to 9,000 is because there was a russia to get leases for fear of administration launching war on fossil fuels. and that's why the number is so big. >> that's a good point, i like that point. historically even larger numbers of leases. but you know, they have to look -- when they take a lease out on land, whether it's federal or private, first of all, see if there is any oil and gas in it. >> amen. >> and second of all, unfortunately they have to get permits from the authorities, so that's the e.p.a., interior department, energy department. not a single sale on shore or off shore has happened in biden administration, not one single sale. interior was going to open up a sale and then a left wing judge stopped it and now they are in courts and the biden administration has not appealed it. >> sandra: what they tell me they fear, that that could happen at any point, even if they take on the huge expense of tapping into one. >> that's exactly right. the assault on fossil fuels from day one with the keystone pipeline has thrown a wet blanket over the whole industry. so they are afraid to make long-term investments. >> sandra: you have one other big point you want to make. we are running out of time. >> one reason the stock market rallied earlier, announcement from abc news interview, from zelenskyy, ukraine will no longer seek right now nato membership. that's a very big thing. and that kind of pulls the rug out from a lot of the western rationale here. i find it him moving backwards, unseemly to the point of annoying. we have argued from day one, not day one, but biden finally got around to it that we were trying to preserve their sovereignty and also their freedom to choose democracy or, you know, putin. and if he's saying they are going to give up aspirations to get into nato, then you have to ask yourself, why are we fighting? now, he may fight for his sovereignty, but only part of the story. i found this troubling much as i admire zelenskyy and his courage, he's a great figure, churchillian figure, kind of a semi surrender. it may encourage putin who says he has zelenskyy on the run. so, i don't understand this point at all, and like i say, stock market traders actually bought the market on news. >> sandra: it's positive now, we noticed. >> thought this would be a shorter end to it. i don't want to make predictions, just how surprised i was that zelenskyy made the comment. and said by the way, the donbas region putin wants zelenskyy says we can discuss and find the compromise on how the territories will live on. so that's a suggestion that what i would say is total sovereignty in the ukraine may be off the board and only partial sovereignty. so, slippage on mr. zelenskyy's part. maybe he feels he has to do that, i'm not here to criticize him, i'm just saying that statements like that change the game to some extent. we should keep an eye on it. >> sandra: very interesting. we'll learn more when we watch you at 4:00. >> i hope john cornyn is not furious -- >> sandra: hope we have the microphone on right now. tell the senator larry kudlow says hello, john. >> john: he can actually hear him now, he's fit to be tied but hear him. now to texas republican senator john cornyn, since you are from texas, you want to do oil or migs? >> let me say, john, we are seeing the product of flawed energy policy. we thought of absolutes, either renewable or oil and gas like it's a 0 sum game and no attention to energy security. i think germany has learned the lesson of dependency on russian oil and we have seen a huge spike in prices, even before the invasion of ukraine. so i think it's a major reason for a reset when it comes to how we viewed energy security, including the price. >> and you have to check what the white house says, they say 9,000 leases going untapped, we saw earlier today the reasons why, many of those leases go untapped, much more than sticking a drill bit in the ground. you've got to have the infrastructure to back it up, the equipment to back it up, and then the white house said today we are pumping out oil at a record level, we are not. 1.3 million barrels a month below record levels. what the american petroleum said. we urge policy makers to advance emergency energy leadership and expand domestic production to counter russia's influence in global energy markets. they are saying we would like to do it, we need the policies to be able to do it and meantime, hearing from the administration, maybe we should buy oil from iran again or reduce sanctions on venezuela, the corrupt dictatorship and get oil from them. >> bad policies at home with domestic production, turn to saudi arabia or russia or venezuela to get the energy we need to bring down gas prices at the pump. again, i think this administration views energy policy as a 0 sum game, you are either for green energy or reducing emissions or for carbon producing fossil fuels. the truth is, we need all the above. we need intermittent sources like solar or wind. when the wind is blowing and the sun is shining, sometimes that doesn't happen and you need the base load of electricity for the economy and national security. >> one day we are all going to be driving electric cars, probably by nuclear power or solar or wind, eventually be will run out of oil, it's difficult to make the transition overnight. let me ask you about poland saying it's going to send all of its mig-29 fighters to ramstein and hand them over to the united states or nato and poland is saying we don't know what you are doing to do with them, but here you go, and backfill us with some american fighter jets, f-16. >> it's great news. ukrainians have inspired all of us with their willingness to push back against putin's invasion and to challenge them on the ground. we have been supplying and nato allies supplying weapons, javelins and other anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft weapons that have allowed the ukrainians to stall a lot of the convoys. they have maintained air superiority, the planes, they are accustomed to flying, they use the same russian-era planes they do in poland, but part of producing the defensive lethal weapons the ukraines need to defend themselves. it does not imply nato is going to get involved in the fight or the united states directly, but important part of our commitment and obligation. >> john: vladimir putin issued a threat, if you get involved in a no-fly zone where you are providing the aircraft to fly sorties and potentially get in conflict with russian jets or ground forces you will be considered combatant. do you think he will say if you give the ukrainian air force the ability to fly again you are a combatant. >> it's hard to know what he will do. he is the one to make a decision, whether to use a tactical nuclear weapon, part of the russian military doctrine, we hope and pray that never happens, but i think it's a bluff because i don't see any difference providing stingers and javelin missiles and other lethal defensive equipment and providing them airplanes. so, i think as long as it's ukrainians flying the airplanes, it's not nato partners, actually in ukraine fighting on the ground, that we should call mr. putin's bluff. >> john: on the point of nuclear weapons, joe, one of the world experts in nuclear weapons will be joining us later this hour. texas senator john cornyn, good to be with you in the studio. thanks for rolling, sorry for the technical difficulties. >> sandra: 2 million, that's how many people have fled ukraine so far. numbers increasing by the hour, translating to the fastest growing refugee crisis since the second world war. connell mcshane is live in slovakia, but alex hogan is live on the ground in poland, you tell amazing stories of the people fleeing ukraine to there. >> thank you, sandra. 1.2 million refugees have arrived here in poland, it is more than any other country. the people that you see here right now have just crossed the border. most tell me it took them about 1 to 2 days to get here, the faces you see are mainly women and children. >> where are you going from here? >> my mom tell me we have to get to germany. >> you are going to germany. >> any one you know, family or friends? >> my aunt. >> long journey for you. were you afraid, scared at all on the way? >> no, i didn't -- i haven't been scared, i just -- by the way, we are very long. >> very long trip, you are a very brave boy. >> some incredible stories here, we met one woman who traveled here with her sister, she said that they needed to get to safety to save her eight dogs. they packed up their eight little yorkies into bags and they fled. and while people have escaped, everyone that i've talked with say they are desperate to get home to their family and country. >> what would you say to anyone around the world who might be watching about what you have gone through? >> save us. i think it's -- it's more than i can say. >> again, so many of them are travelling for days on end and now waiting for busses to take them to refugee centers or to other cities if they know anyone to give them refuge. some people are calling on friends or family, but some people are calling on acquaintances, telling them there is nowhere else for me to go, can i stay with you at least until i figure out where i go next. those are a lot of the stories we are hearing. but i do have to say that children that we are seeing here and talking with have been so brave. many of them, of course, crying, it's a confusing time and it's frustrating and cold. but they have shown so much bravery here in these moments. so, it is remarkable to see not only that side of the humanitarian crisis, but the world mobilizing, coming here, setting up these tents to give people warmth, bringing them food, dropping off strollers, to make sure that mothers who arrive here have somewhere to put their babies and one thing we should note is people cannot take much with them so they will load on to busses behind me but won't be able to bring that much, so they can't pick up too much along the way, but everywhere around where we are standing there are piles of donations of socks, of gloves, of hats, of scarves, anything to keep people warm. many grabbed nothing more than a small bag to carry what they had at the time when they were fleeing the country. sandra, john. >> john: we talk about the resilience of the children, look at that -- the young kids are waving. we talk about the resilience. >> smiling and waving, exactly. >> john: in the incredibly dire situations. for some kids, point me in the direction and i'll go. but we talk about two things. the short-term effect of this, the economic hardship, displacement, but then the long-term effect as well. psychological scars that adults and children are going to carry for years to come. >> there is a numbness that i think we see right now, but there will be long lasting effects when we talk about ptsd for what people have seen. i talked with one woman who said that her train was shot at. others said they heard the bombings and they saw that, of course, that stays with you, but take a look at this crowd behind me. everyone is huddled together. these were all strangers and many of them are now able to communicate and talk with each other about what they have all just gone through, everyone here leaving their country when just two weeks ago they were going on having normal lives that i think too often people take for granted. and i've seen some remarkable moments between strangers here who eventually get on to different busses and they give each other hugs, wishing each other well, and hopefully some of those people stay in touch. but there is such an incredible human connection to see, and i hope that that gets translated to our viewers because as desperate and difficult of a time i think this is, and many watching from home feel helpless not knowing what to do, there is the heart warming side of this heartbreak of how many people are coming together to help people in these times of need. >> i think everybody is taking in what is happening behind you, alex, and it is emotional for all of us to see, and you are in the middle of it, and on international women's day, alex, first of all, they feel comfortable talking to you clearly, and that's important because they are telling their stories, and for them to turn around like the one mother and son just did, and smile, and they are going through so much, and you mentioned this is mostly women and children, you see the volunteers behind you. there are moms and aunts and daughters that are trying to get through this, and they just don't know what lies ahead. but that strength, alex, it does shine through the tv screen. >> it is such strength. it is really inspiring and as you said, it's international women's day and i talked with so many moms who are so proud of what their children have been able to do in these last couple days. and just the power of coming together as a community in some of these difficult moments, yes, we are hearing a lot of crying, but we are also hearing a lot of laughter and people talking to strangers which i don't think we often do enough. so, it has been truly humbling to be here and to see how beautiful of a change of events we could see in such a dark hour, sandra. >> sandra: it is almost the 9:00 in the evening there in poland, and the baby -- thank you very much, it's tough, john, it's tough. pictures, they don't know what lies ahead. >> john: and when you put yourself in their shoes, that's what you realize what it is they are going through, you know. for many americans, hardship is trying to find a parking spot at the shopping mall and what these folks are going through here, up rooted, leaving everything behind at a moment's notice, making the difficult journey across the country, going into a nation that they may have been to before and maybe they haven't been to before, but going into a situation where it's all unknown and yet they are being met with such kindness by folks on the other side of the border. it really is quite incredible. >> sandra: and to that point, we were showing the images, there are the busses, filling them up, packing them in, getting them to safety and the images of the baby strollers, bottles of water, food, hot tea waiting for them once these refugees are able to get to the safety across the border and those there to nteer and help them, it's moving throughout for all of us for sure. >> john: and alex, doing a great job with the coverage. connell mcshane was in poland is now transitioned over to slovakia, in a town i have no hope of pronouncing near the ukrainian border. >> it can be a little difficult in this part of the world. i'll tell you, listening to alex's report and it did bring back the memories of our reports from last week. you hear similar stories here in slovakia as well. what i would add and another group of families came in across the border, it's constant here, the numbers are not as high as poland, people come in, they get in the information booth and helping them out with the stories. we have seen an evolution in the types of stories that we are hearing. in other words, when people come in now they have already made a decision to stay for maybe a week or more. there's been fighting in their towns. then what we see they first do, they move maybe west in ukraine. they think they are in a relatively new place but then new challenges arise, like this woman who came in with her 17-year-old son earlier today, she was explaining the thought process, take a listen. >> because of things, because of explosion, because of lack of food and lack of water. >> so in the city you had moved to, there was a shortage of food. >> yes. it's quite shortage and we are afraid that it will get worse. but my native city is kharkiv, and in kharkiv, the situation is very hard by now. >> it is very hard right now in kharkiv and so many other places. but that situation that she's describing where you move west, you think you are safe but the supplies maybe are not getting there, something john and sandra we'll have to monitor in the coming days. booth you are looking at now is where they come, the refugees whether they need to set up housing in slovakia on a temporary basis. they have all the volunteer families, host families that are volunteering the basements or extra bed in the house, and that's you know where they sign up, and the next thing you know they are going to a house they don't even know the family. but the earlier point the woman was making, it's important as this gets into the next phase. new challenges are arising and getting the supplies into ukraine, even the western part of the ukraine, according to her, getting somewhat difficult, guys. >> sandra: connell, as i was just mentioning talking to alex, almost into the 9:00 hour there in slovakia at night, it is cold, those people are volunteering to not just hand out sandwiches, pb and j, it's warm food, its remarkable and appears it's an around the clock effort to help those people. >> yes. i mean, where we are it's fairly constant. another group coming in. they hold them down at the, looks like a toll booth in the distance where the border is for a while and once they clear the customs process you will see a group come in, we have been to three border crossings in slovakia. and the overall numbers may not overwhelm you the way poland does, but it's still constant. all day long, people coming and coming and coming, and volunteers are waiting. if you look at the figures, and 1.2 million or 140,000 and look per capita, these countries in europe are all getting a huge influx so for example, poland is a big country. population is like 38 million. moldova is a very small country, under 3 million. so, on a percentage of population those countries are getting about the same, and here in slovakia, just a little behind. so, that's why we talk about this being spread out throughout the entire european continent and something we have to monitor because as we talked about last week a number of the people who come in here, move further west to other countries, germany, italy, all kinds of places the busses are going. >> john: connell, it's john here. how well organized are things there in slovakia? we have been concentrating most of the coverage on poland, a little in romania as well. how is the organization there in terms of nongovernmental organizations coming to the table or governmental organizations coming to the table to help people as they cross the border? >> it's been -- it's been impressive on a grassroots level. i showed you the housing tent, across the street the boy scouts are set up. yesterday i met a guy from israel, a guy he knew from slovakia, the guy from israel came in and showed up in the tent, i'm here to help, they found him a job coordinating and the housing tent is set up here. a lot of the social media, people sign up on facebook or other platform and say i'm available to host, it will get to these guys and they get it. and then we spin around quick, an information booth over here, and again, all of this is not official organization. the red cross is in the distance, the biggest group i can see and right down here on the corner there are the busses that come in constantly, so when someone comes across the border, this is a pretty rural area, small towns, the busses will take them to a bigger city, and then you can connect. so, you know, they are doing it the best they can, and it's really grassroots. a quick story that popped into my head. i met this guy from england yesterday, he lived in kyiv for years, he's a high school teacher and he got out, it was difficult to do it. but he got out, immediately came here and started volunteering and helping with the whole process. that's what you see. >> connell mcshane, thank you, see you soon. >> sandra: new information after poland reported it's ready to send in the mig-29 fighter jets after being given the green light over the weekend from blinken. jennifer griffin is at the pentecost and the significance of it. >> appears the u.s. government was somewhat blind sided by the polish statement suggesting they are willing to transfer all of their mig-29 fighter jets to ramstein air force base in germany, it's a nato air base where u.s. forces are of course deployed. the news has gotten picked up by russian propaganda channels like sputnik news. clearly russia is taking note of the polish offer to provide the migs to nato. the real question comes into play and i think what's happening here is pols have offered president zelenskyy, who made a passionate appeal for not only a no-fly zone but needing war planes like the migs that the ukrainian pilots know how to fly, the pols have the migs, they have been asking the u.s. government saying we'll provide the migs if you can provide backfill with brand-new f-16 fighter jets. the u.s. does not have those in an inventory in a manner in which they can export them to the polish government, but you heard secretary blinken say this weekend that the u.s. would not stand in the way of the pols providing those migs to ukraine, but that would require flying those planes from poland into ukraine, poland is a nato ally, and the russians would view that and have said they would view that as an act of war. so now the pols are saying hey, we will fly these migs to ramstein, a u.s. air base in germany, and the u.s. officials i'm speaking to said they did not know anything about it. it's not clear at this time that they have agreed to that. that's where we stand. i would urge caution with reporting on the transfer of these migs. clearly the pols would like to try to help president zelenskyy but it's very complicated in terms of nato allies providing such a, you know, war planes to the ukraine conflict. back to you. >> sandra: as the a.p. reports, the question how to deliver the planes to ukraine obviously in question, because polish pilots cannot fly them into the country and having the ukrainian pilots pick them up would pose similar risks. you would have to think they thought about this, jennifer. >> i think what we are seeing is active negotiations through the public using the president to do these negotiations that are very complicated, it's very sensitive, and what i can tell you is u.s. officials are not commenting on this and have not accepted the polish offer as of yesterday what i'm told. >> sandra: i know you will keep us posted when they do. jennifer, thank you. john. >> john: a little more breaking news now, according to the news service in russia, 10:00 a.m. moscow time to thursday evening to provide humanitarian corridors from kyiv, mariupol, and now video out of ukraine. bryan has details on that. >> this is brand-new video from the ukrainian military showing a destroyed column of tanks and vehicles. this is again, drone footage from the military there in ukraine. we also have video showing servicemen captured what is boxes of ammunition inside of some of these, the trunks of these vehicles. we have seen so many of these videos of, you know, the ukrainian military saying they destroyed over 300 tanks, russian tanks in that country so far. we also have video coming in out of irpin. this is the really the suburb outside of kyiv, this is elderly people that are being evacuated from a nursing home in that suburb. this is where the bridge was blown up by the ukrainians to keep the russians back and where the family of three died in the mortar attack over the weekend. and the most vulnerable suffer the most in times of war. and a driver helping out ukrainian refugees, an i.t. worker has begin driving refugees from lviv to the polish border. we have seen time and time again the trains that are just packed with refugees. this person, this volunteer out of so many hundreds of volunteers doing all he can to transport people to safety, women and children, especially, and then we have this video from a bomb shelter in kharkiv. [violin playing] >> this is a violinist, she is a violinist and a teacher playing her violin in a bomb shelter for people there who are really there trying to survive shelling that has killed at least 170 people in that city, including some 27 civilians who have been killed in that city in the last 24 hours, and that just shows you the continued resilience of the ukrainian people. and one last thing, hearing from the international committee of the red cross spokesman saying there are apocalyptic conditions, especially for people in the mariupol, hundreds of thousands are in dire conditions, they are running out of food, clean water, and are without heat and need medical attention. a lot of attention in that city right now, john. >> john: terrible situation across the country, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: our nation's top diplomat accusing moscow of mocking the notion of peace talks. travelling with the secretary of state, we are joined live now, he's in paris reporting from there. rich. >> good afternoon, sandra. and this is the final stop of what was a six-day, seven-country trip across europe. he ended up here in paris to meet with the french president, macron is one of the rare western leaders who has actually stayed in touch with russian president putin. they have spoken four times since february 24th. blinken met with leaders in estonia, that the u.s. and russia should return to a cold war relationship of what they call peaceful co existence. >> it has two words, the first is peaceful and russia is doing everything in its power to make a mockery of that word through its aggression on ukraine. so, if russia wants to engage in peaceful co-existence, in principle we welcome, it needs to start by actually making good on the word peaceful and ending the war. >> on this trip, eastern european countries had pushed the u.s. to ban russian oil. we asked blinken this afternoon how the administration would prevent even higher energy prices when it takes russian oil off the market. blinken says the administration is trying to ensure that energy is widely available, that europe needs to move beyond dependence on russian oil and gas. he says russia's attack on ukraine only underscores the imperative of moving quickly to transition to renewable energy. as the biden administration moves to steadily isolate russia from the global economy, american diplomats are also in negotiations to revive the 2015 iran nuclear agreement. russia is part of those discussions. we asked the secretary whether russia would negotiate in good faith, given the massive sanctions campaign. blinken says russia continues to be engaged and has its own interests in reviving the agreement. one western diplomat tells us he expects over the next few days there could be an agreement negotiators to reach something here, but says any time you have the united states, russia, china and iran trying to agree to the same thing, the outcome is far from certain. >> sandra: ok, rich is travelling with the secretary of state in paris, thank you very much. >> john: raising nuclear fears, experts don't know where the russian president and his fight may lead. and a national security analyst and author with decades of knowledge on this. so, this is russia's nuclear arsenal, at least in the western part of the country. we were talking about this, both at the same event on sunday talked about if putin feels he is backed into a corner, nuclear weapons in general, what are the chances he pulls the trigger? >> that's the danger. if he is losing the war, the nuclear risks grow. stakes for him become very high and he may feel like a gambler at the table losing his hand, he's going to bet the house and russian doctrine allows for escalate to deescalate to use a nuclear weapon first to back off the west if they are losing in a conventional battle. >> john: use it against a military post, civilian population? >> various options are laid out, one to use against a military target, also speculation he could do a demonstration shot, for example in the black sea. >> john: fired from one of the facilities into the black sea to say this is what i've got, back off. >> or use one of your air-carried munitions from the russia bases here or kelingrad. >> john: mig-31s, carrying the hyper sonic missile, fly at 4,000 miles per hour, nuclear capable, a warhead of about 500 kilotons, 30 times the bomb that destroyed hiroshima, how big of a threat could that be? >> if you go beyond the use of a small yield nuclear warhead to something like this, you are talking about world war iii. everything starts to escalate out of control. something like this would take out a medium size city, a major military facility. this is -- we are passed the nuclear brink if we talk about this. >> this little tiny piece of russia between poland and lithuania. a range of about 2,000 kilometer, or 1200 miles, basically in an arc like that, so you can hit with the exception of madrid and lisbon, any european capital. >> absolutely. that's why the stakes are so high here. supplying ukrainian forces with stingers and javelin is one thing, but this would be a direct hit on nato in europe, that would require a massive u.s. nuclear response. >> john: you see this as terrifying. how does this end? >> the closest to nuclear war since the early 1980s, mass demonstrations in the streets. what that tells you, arrive at a diplomatic solution here. it's possible either ukraine or russia will prevail militarily, i consider it unlikely and so you are looking for an off ramp and that's why the statement by zelenskyy today that ukraine would no longer seek nato membership, at least put that on hold, is one step towards that kind of diplomatic solution. you've got to find a solution that gives putin some of what he wants and ukraine some of what they want. >> john: see if there is any movement on this. joe, great to see you again. >> thank you, john. >> john: there is the nightmare scenario, sandra, hope it does not come to that. >> sandra: indeed, and to that point, larry kudlow said no longer seeking nato membership on the part of volodymyr zelenskyy is moving markets. you can see the big board by the way, up 169 points, a wild ride on wall street so far. a high of 585 points to the up side and down 238 points. remarkable. and if the fighting intensifies in ukraine, the global red cross network is helping families

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