contrast to what happened with the afghan withdrawal. it important for this administration to get this right. >> it a big issue. it apples and oranges as far as the type of conflict and what you're dealing with. however, you're right. politically i think the lessons of afghanistan and what happened and how it happened, this administration is trying really hard not to do that. they have started the warnings two weeks ago about americans getting out of ukraine. i think you're going to see the president kind of lay it out for the american people that there could be threats to the u.s., specifically on the cyber security front that americans need to be aware of. >> charles: what happens if diplomacy doesn't work. many say it's too late for that and can't work. vladimir putin has his own agenda. so what would the messaging be from there? >> the messaging would be severe economic sanctions, sanctions that struck at russia.