the nation's debt surging now topping $30 trillion and counting. both parties share the blame. gary kaltbaum is here. will this be the wake-up call that washington needs to finally stop spending? >> i thought ten would be the wake-up call. then 20. now 30. unfortunately, charles, nobody seems to care. it's almost like a foot note and it should be front and center. i mentioned to you earlier today, one of the outcomes -- by the way, to simplify things, this just means that politicians spend $30 trillion over and above what we already send them, which is just obscene. for me, the big story going forward, we're at about 1.5 billion of taxpayers dollar each day going towards interest, not to roads and bridges and down trodden the elderly and children that need food but to nothing.