independents were minus 11 for the democrats, and, you know, and joe biden was minus 25 points in job approval. so those are the statistics, those are the data points that are going to potentially cause a lot of moderate democrats to think twice about the votes that they are making. because a lot of these votes can be career ending or career enhaning votes, right? there are usually three or four congressional votes every cycle that could make or break a candidate. it's a major finding. >> neil: you know what's interesting about the durham emergence, we now and then, david, see it play out in politics where someone out of the blue with very little money makes a go of it and wins. we've even seen, you know, in the white house back in 1976 when jimmy carter was running,