governed. you'll have various war lords and isis groups and the other groups. the u.s. helped stabilize that peace and gave some semblance of order. the taliban will have a lot of the same thing but a lot of warring factions. that's the history hoff afghan stand and that region. >> neil: you think this raises the threat level in this country? in other words, that because of what's gone down there that we could be attacked again? >> yes, i do. i think the response to this, the response to the taliban's deadline, the fact that we're -- claudia was talking about it. the way you use deterrence is through strength. you have to have something to back up the idea of deterrence. if we're showing weakness, which we are here and we're allowing the taliban to dictate to us, that emboldens enemies and terrorism.