but buttigieg is at roughly the same place as joe biden. joe biden is someone who has been attacked by president trump as being low energy and not having the stamina because of his age. buttigieg is significantly more energy. >> charles: no one could ignore elizabeth warren's energy. there's a new part of this that i want to ask you guys about impeachment. it looks like support is trending lower. as a maneuver or gambit, can the democrats find a way out of this? can they offer a censure and move on? do you think they are too deep? >> i think they are today. my hope is that we don't add too many new charges and/or change the path for new allegations. i think people are getting tired of the hearings. they are done in moving over to the judiciary committee.