one who shares that opinion. a lot of people believe when you have will hurt, a very moderate republican, who is not republicaning for re-election, no ax to grind and not a fan of president trump saying there is none there from his point of view, many believe this impeachment thing has fallen far short of the goal. >> fu were defending the president and they will say, look, the intent is a big issue here. was there intent to let's say for instance, influence the testimony of yovanovitch? have you to show intent to derail the testimony. she testified. if you look at the intent and circle around whether there is intent of the criminal acts being investigated, that would be difficult to establish. >> it really is. almost everything heard secondhand, hear say or interpretation of something that wasn't said, but the person, recipient interpreted it a certain way, i know that wouldn't fly in a court of law,