kind of thing you would need and the inference we have gotten certainly from democrats thus far, what you have got is pretty much what we have got. >> what i would say is that evidence has taken a backseat to rhetoric. and the democrats really, in all their vitriol they despise this presidency. they don't want to be affected. instead of getting back to work and legislating and delivering for the american people, they have decided to engage in this protracted political battle and i don't see -- >> neil: obviously you are a lawyer here. i will leave the politics out. is it your sense, ken that they kind of know that but there is a value in their thinking to bring all this dirt up, if you want to call it that, and how unseemly it looks and even some republicans have said that but there is not much they know deep in their hearts this is going to advance. >> look, i'm a lawyer. i'm in court every single day. i assess evidence on cases. on a daily basis. sometimes an hourly basis. i don't see the evidence here of a crime. >> neil: what do you make of this separate evidence?