it has to be a deep thing. the roots of our cultural malaise, our cultural denigration are deep. the healing has to be deep. this is why i want to emphasize the importance of this thing being authentic and routed to a tradition. i mean christianity really formed western civilization. and it can reformat. >> neil: do you think the pope would ever hook up with him? >> i could see that easily. that is not a stretch. it is osteen i worry about. >> neil: why do you worry about osteen? >> osteen is a propagator of what is called "prosperity gospel." in my mind, is the inverse of liberation theology.