here to discuss, democratic strategist, marjorie clifton. margie, i'll pick your brain first. whether you agree or disagree with the approach of congresswoman gabbard is taking, she's generating bus and headlines and given her appearance on this show last night, she's generating a lot of stories. so who says you need to be at the debate to get that? >> frankly, you look at the past debates, there wasn't a lot of differentiation happening as you go down ballot a lot of the candidates that were up there. so i think at this point this is almost the primary hail mary for a lot of them, can they get enough of the fund-raising and fol lores to be a credible candidate. we elected donald trump on the same tactics. how do you create a buzz and draw attention to yourself even if it's outlandish.