jesse: you said gang initiation? so then it used to be you have to beat somebody up you say now you have to commit a smashing grab? >> or other things. i know they have those they have to do a crime with another partner or multiple people. smashing grabs have been going on for a long time. and what they did to stop them back in was smaller groups they would put the buzzer on the door see you had to be left in that now in malls they don't do that. so smash and grabs are not out of the ordinary. that the multitude of them all over the country and the amount of people doing it. >> it's interesting because they are spread in different directions when they leave the store with the merchandise. is that because it's harder to catch one or they won't rat on each other?