skiff, obviously, jacket tell you what goesel on inside of the exactly. but i can tell you this. it really is like a cult. they sit there and they snicker, they interrupt when john ratcliff is asking questions they always interrupt trying ratcliff he's a congressman from texas because they're afraid of john ratcliff because he's a real attorney. they laugh, they snicker. they -- with the the relationship do you guy like not make eye contact do you like how does that work when yous see each other? is it just -- what is it? >> yeah, well it is a essentially all it is is that we have to communicate via lawyers. because you cannot trust anything that they say because they're noty' dealing in good faith.in and look, this is for all practical purposes. >> in intelligence committee. [inaudible conversations] >> look, four years ago before we started -- before it turned into impeachment, when we were just doing intelligence, you would only see people from the intelligence committee.