had skills of any kind. and so that experience -- i just was so frustrated because i was working for a small business owner like three days a week i'm traveling all over the state of michigan, i'm installing telecommunications wires, before wi-fi when you needed to plug into high-speed internet. >> tucker: while you were in college. >> yeah. i'm cramming all my classes two days a week and am working three days a week and on the job i was in over my head every day. i was learning stuff all the time. i would like just -- you're out in the world, right? you're learning because you're experiencing the marketplace. and i just got so irritated. i thought this whole idea of college, the way that it's done is so absurd, and the analogy is -- that have come up with sense is imagine if we taught bike riding the way that we teach careers. you'd spend the first 25 years of your life in rooms learning about the history of bikes, the