just a really joyful time. and she would keep notes good and she was keeping notes about her son, so she kept writing these letters to him. hoping someday he would read them. so she wrote these letters, and at the end when she died, she kept writing, because it was her way to get the stuff out. so she wrote this, and her mother read it who had lost a child 50 years ago. from a sids death. and it just broke her up, and she said, you have to publish it. you have to publish these letters. so we eventually had a little catholic publisher publish a period of sold out at 25,000 copies. and it is still out. but it's called "letters to gabriel." >> tucker: jenny be unsuccessful in business, running for the united states senate in ohio, but at the start of his life, rough. and actually that's probably what made the rest of his life great. he explains it in detail on a