intelligence program that they ran that that through and proceeded to argue that proof had been induced that biden was getting rougher treatment. he's not. >> tucker: it's insane. so you ran news organizations. you ran the fox news washington bureau. if a white house sat down with you on a subject like inflation, which is measurable, because we know what a 2 x 4 cost, they said the real problem is your reporters are not fair to us, you would see yourself as being spun, wouldn't you? >> yeah. you wouldn't -- look. it's nothing unusual about white house people trying to convince reporters to see it their way. >> tucker: of course. >> it's spinning. it goes on all the time. that's what washington runs on. it's not unusual and won't make much difference. i hope it doesn't. while the administration has a story to tell, jobs are being created and the economy is going and the stock market is going to