>> we have tried since jump street to raise money in a meaningful way. we were handicapped by the fund may, deplatformed by paypal. you name it, they prevented us there is a relationship between president brandon and the big tech conglomerate that they worked to deplatform us and make sure we could not raise money for the defense. you can go and give to whoever you want to come but has been a terrible experience. >> tucker: one thing -- not to make a class issue out of this but it is very noticeable that a lot of the antifa members are basically rich kids, you can tell. these defendants have disproportionate amount of personal debt, these are working-class people and some of them are stuck with public defenders in washington, d.c. >> many of these public defenders do not like them. for many of these public defenders have told them you should probably just take a plea. i voted for biden, i have done this, i have done that. i was a public defender the first five years and that i do not like everything my clients ke m p but i of doingsas never once express anything like that to them because it is highly inappropriate in this set of circumstances. yes, these are middle-classn people with a tremendous amount of debt who cannot afford meaningful defense, private defense, absent intervention and they are being hamstrung by the government. >> tucker: the whole point of a public defender is you defend someone who you might not necessarily agree with but your personal bigotry ought not to affect the legal representation. >> sure. >> tucker: how about if a public defender said to an african-american defendant, i'm