and government in which thebu government is pulling the strings. talkers see would be the same collusion but the business is pulling the strings be it i think we are in what we would call a corporate toxic corporate talks received. >> tucker: is what it looks like? >> i believe the government is doing what business demands of it as oppose the other way around. >> tucker: it seems even less healthy than government helping business or government controlling business. at least government is theoretically accountable to voters. >> that's one of the things but when i talk about woke capital, the dictatorship of wall capitol, i use that term to mean top-down and antidemocratic means by which some of the biggest names in business are trying to change the relationship between citizensio and the state. thee antidemocratic nature of it is one of the key components to what's going on and why it