are almost always ignored and mistreated by the people in power. all the cool kids looked down on real whistle-blowers. it's amazing. most of them you don't even know exist. you never hear their names. one exemption to the rule is john caribou he blew the whistle on the cia covert torture programs and we brought them on to assess this new whistle-blower. how do you assess this assess this whistle-blower? >> i do not think this is a whistle-blower. i think this is an anonymous source for the democratic staff in the house of representatives. >> that sounds very different from a whistle-blower. what is a whistle-blower? what is a whistle-blower distinct from who this person is? >> a whistle-blower is anybody who brings up waste, fraud, abuse, threats to public health or safety, and they do this almost always with a great