>> as you mentioned, tucker, that's a commandment. auto like veg. what happens in veg, stays in vegas. when you have an off the record conversation with a reporter, it is understood, as long as the parties establish beforehand, this is an off-the-record conversation o. not goodbye mentioned, talked about. it's not supposed to get out. and in this case, there were other reporters there as well. reporters from bloomberg, and the wall street journal and "washington post." it can't be confirmed that grutger -- again, i can't confirm that and i'm not going to do that here. go ahead. >> tucker: i personally have spoken to people who have confirmed it.