where is joe? he is not here. took his guns away, going for psychological help. it is still a stigma how you look at it. how to address it. the commissioner is right. the help is there but, for the people that i know, you know who committed suicide, we can't put a rhyme or reason for at least three of officers. i cannot put a rhyme or reason to it. neither can any friends. harris: kristin gifford in the office. her husband killed himself in may of 2013. i wonder if, she is with us tonight, can you say maybe a quick word? >> yeah. my husband, steven clifford was a police officer with nypd, then nassau county police department. he died by suicide in 2017. we had no idea he was struggling. he was happy guy. he was joking. he loved his job but he had something deep inside of him he was dealing with. he was afraid to come forward. he wouldn't talk to anybody because of the stigma.