potter. >> so ted, you think the jury got it wrong in this case? >> i believe that they did. i respect their decision. i do believe that they did. look -- >> okay. hold your thoughts a second, ted. i'll loop back. i want to get mercedes in here. there's this extraordinary moment in the courtroom just now where we saw the defense ask judge chu to essentially release kim potter, now a convicted criminal, found criminally culpable for the young man to be released on bail. have you ever seen anything like that before? >> the defense attorneys usually tried to do that. the judge made the right call. saying this is consistent with my prior rulings when there's convictions for manslaughter, there's no bail that is granted and the individual gets remanneded to jail.