>> yeah, i hope that that is true, martha. by the way, i'm very concerned about the hysteria and panic that omicron has caused across the country because people are afraid of the unknown. they're going -- they're flashing back in time. i think the idea that you just mentioned would be terrific. let's take this as a matter of course, let's learn about it and let's learn that maybe it's not as bad as delta and the precautions we have with the anti-virals coming outs, more testing and tools that we have now that can protect us. >> martha: it's more manageable than ever and i think that is the big message here that people need to hear from you and dr. giroir as well. dr. siegel, always good to see you. thanks. great to have you here. >> great to be on with you. >> martha: all right. so why exactly were the parents of the alleged michigan school shooter called to the office of that school that morning with their son to talk about him? we're going to talk to the pitman family.