manchin think is where you want to be if you want to get re-elected? >> i think this is preordained. democrats have the barest of control on capitol hill, a single digit -- not a single digit. a single digit majority in the house. no majority at all in the senate. it's 50/50. depends on vice president harris to break the tie. so remember early on in biden's presidency, there were democrats that talked about him going big and passing something like f.d.r.'s new deal and pass big legislation. those presidents had huge legislative authorities. nothing like today. democrats are finding out they can't do it. >> martha: and those deals were smaller than the deal we're talking about right now. thank you very much. good to see you both. want to let everybody at home know we have a new podcast that is dropping today.