the pickup. i didn't think anything unusual. they got a new camper. so they wanted to put their own touch inside of it. i saw them doing some work. and then when they prepared for their trip, i saw them loading the camper. >> martha: you're talking about brian and his parents after he returned home. is that correct? in a different camper? >> yes. the van is the -- is his. his father has a pickup truck which they purchased an in-bed camper. >> martha: like an attachment camper. then you say they packed up the camper, brian and his mom and dad and they went camping. do you know that for sure? >> we saw them -- i saw them loading it up. so i assumed that they were preparing for a camping trip with their new camper.