give me a break, we don't need ukraine -- we don't need ukraine to help beat joe biden or any of the rest of them anymore than we needed russia to be hillary clinton. these candidates are a disaster on their own, they self emulate, but i saw people lying today, including intel chairman adam schiff, began with this contrived fantasy conversation that he imagined between president trump -- >> martha: we are going to show that in a little while. can we just back up to what you said just a moment ago because the president does talk about joe biden in the transcript and he talks about his business dealings with his son. it's kind of impossible to separate that from the joe biden with the president may well be running against in 2020, isn't it? >> if not, and here's why. the president is talking about the 2016 election earlier. he's talking about crowd strike, he saying this country, the united states, just went through this terrible thing, as you kno know, robert mueller testified yesterday, disaster mueller report, disaster, and we want to know that ukraine has the