punter biden to testify in the going to call up all the obama administration aids who warned -- dashboard quoted in e new yorker assaying the warrant that vice president -- hunter biden because the vice president a conflict of interest and they will call up a nonpartisan ethics expert were going to say that with the vice president it was a conflict of interest under federal ethics where the that's going to be very bad for joe biden. >> martha: it clearly stirred the hornets nest on this whole hunter biden story, which i think we all knew was going to come out eventually in terms of some kind of scrutiny into these issues. maybe it accelerates them, maybe get them to that earlier in the cycle maybe it helps to move past it, is that possible? >> i think democrats are very leery about using a trump story line against joe biden. i think it would love to. i think it is a little if elizabeth warren thought there was a way she could take maximum advantage of this without looking like she was doing trump's bidding, i think she absolutely would, but