until then, keep it here on the fox news channel, the most powerful name in news. "the o'reilly factor" with bill o'reilly is next. it. bill: "the o'reilly factor" is on. tonight. >> when charlie gibson didn't know what the acorn story was all about, that was a collective gaffe you heard across the united states. bill: laura ingraham gives abc news a little jazz, even as a "time" magazine columnist says fox news lies. we'll look at both of those situations. >> people might look at that and say there is the old boys club again. >> you know, i have got to say i think this is bunk. bill: president obama under fire for too much testosterone in the white house. >> join you. get the women out there involved. don't do it as i'm sorry. bill: we will take at an alleged obama's boys club. >> would he rather have world peace or have the white sox win the world series? [ laughter ] bill: michelle obama is asked about world peace and the chicago white sox. pretty interesting. >> he probably would prefer world peace he wouldn't mind world series bid, too. bill: caution, you where to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- bill: a time magazine guy says fox news lies. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. for the past few weeks there has been a lot of news in america. health care debate goes on forever. afghanistan not going well. the economy still stuck in the mud. those stories have been around for months. so when the white house attacked fox news, the media woke up. something new, something controversial, everybody had an opinion. but some of the opinions are down right irresponsible. enter "time" magazine columnist joe klein can be astute but not this time. fox news peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. some of it borders on sedition. much of it flat untrue. unquote. even though plenty of space cline fails to provide examples of truth providing no example of what he says is untrue. i being the fair kind of guy gave klein to come on the factor to make his case specifically rather than irresponsibly. "time" told us mr. klein sun available. sure. truth is, mr. klein is scared. as a truth seeker myself, i would like to know exactly as klein puts it fox news spreads is he is he dishes lies. that's rich. factor reaches more people in one hour hand "time" magazine does in one week. what's the point of this other than to hold joe klein accountable? excellent question and i'm glad you asked. i think the continuing hysteria surrounding fox news illustrates our increasing influence in america. the left doesn't like it. not all liberals like joe kleiner see the absurdity of attacking fnc. bill: soon after he said that ken rudin apologized for comparing obama to the nixon. any attack unfair interstated by the left. fnc has the ear of the country. finally i think it's time for the fox news controversy to fade. i hope it does. i like working here. i'm amazed that we are so powerful. i want the nation to see us as a force of good. as giving voice to all kinds of opinion, which we do. so i'm ready to go trick or treating with rahm emanuel. what a scare that would be. and that's the memo, now for the top story tonight with us bernie goldberg. you know joe klein, right? >> not personally. bill: i met him a few times. i'm not going to say anything bad about him, but this is not his finest moment. >> no. let me put this delicately. i think there is enough on this channel that would make a liberal commentator like joe klein, or a liberal president like barack obama not happy. and i don't have a problem with that. but when you start throwing words around like sedition. who exactly at fox news is incite ago rebel against the government of the united states of america? bill: steve doocy. >> that's what sedition means. bill: of course. >> he talks now about hateful crap. that's an interesting point. those are his words. not long ago, a commentator called the president of the united states. he said the president of the united states is either a compulsive liar or the idiot in chief. that sounds like hateful crap to me. yet, mr. klein had nothing to say about that maybe that's because the commentator was a liberal at msnbc and the president was george w. bush. i would take joe klein a little more seriously if he were a little more -- outrage. bill: nobody cares about joe klein with a little more respect to joe maybe his mom does but that's about it the fact of the matter is you write a column sometimes, i write a column every week. you back up what you say. if you say somebody is spreading seditious lies, you give examples. joe klein doesn't. "time" magazine let's it go. here is the more important question. this is what i think, i think the obama white house, joe klein, the left wing media are all going crazy because fox news, ready for it out there? fox news is now the most powerful news organization in the united states of america and that means in the world. that's why this is happening. >> this question embarrasses me because the only reason that would be true is since i'm a regular. bill: happened since we brought you occupy. >> brought you on don't be embarrassing. you could also make -- bill: address my question. >> i just did. [ laughter ] bill: address it seriously goldberg or i will whack you. i think we are now the most powerful news organization in the country trinchts two points. you could certainly make a case that the "new york times" with its -- forget about circulation. forget about the fact that they don't have any money. all the mainstream, i use that term. bill: still calls from them. >> in other words, they set the agenda for abc news, nbc news. if the "new york times" went on strike tomorrow morning, they wouldn't know what to put on the cbs evening news tomorrow night. in that sense, the "times" is important. here is why fox is important. let's put it this way, here is why they are going after fox. if you guys -- if fox were merely seen as a network that houses more than its share of conservatives, they wouldn't care. it's because you're successful. it's not because you are speaking only to kool-aid drinkers and there are some out there. it's because you are speaking to moderates and independents and democrats who live between manhattan and malibu. that scares them. bill: look what's happened, fox news 13 years on the air, ok? wipes out every other cable network. it's not even close, ok? now, we're approaching the factor is approaching katie couric numbers. we're real close to katie couric numbers. we beat everybody else, good morning america, nightline, i think "the today show" is a little bit ahead of us but it's close. so, then you have fox nation, the web site, fox nation, huge, huge. so now these people have figured out, you know what? while we weren't looking or while we were complaining about it, fox news has now become the most powerful news organization in the world. >> while they weren't looking, ordinary americans, not simply -- see, the conservatives -- bill: no, it's across the board. that's what they don't like. >> that's what frightens them. bill: right. because now when this network runs with a story like van jones which joe klein says isn't all that important, i think is very important. here is a guy that wants an investigation to see if george bush was behind 9/11. when fox runs with that, and with so many people watching who aren't necessarily conservative, again, the increase in moderates, independence, and democrats, the other networks pick it up, this is why the white house is troubled and this is why liberals in general are troubled. bill: yeah, it's happened. can i make a comment about the white house? bill: sure. >> they started it with this war. a simple geography lesson would end the war against fox news. they need to understand they are not in chicago anymore. you know like dorothy realized we are not in kansas anymore, toto. they are not in chicago anymore. the white house isn't city hall, chicago. barack obama is not a mayor. he is the president. and halderman ander lichtman aren't ward captains in chicago. taking on an entire news network as opposed to criticizing this show or that show or this statement or that statement, that's not presidential. that's what a mayor does. when he has an enemy, you know, in the city council. it's beneath the president to do this and i hope they have learned their lesson. and you said it in talking points, you hope it stops. i hope it stops, too. it's not good for the president. no all right, bernie goldberg, everybody. thanks very much, bernie. always good to see you in town. next on the rundown, new polls americans are conservative as liberal thinkers may be on the decline in america. brit hume on whether barack obama is respected. respected overseas. that should bewho need assistance getting around their homes. there is a medicare benefit that may qualify you for a new power chair or scooter at little or no cost to you. imagine... one scooter or power chair that could improve your mobility and your life. one medicare benefit that, with private insurance, may entitle you to pay little to nothing to own it. one company that can make it all happen ... your power chair will be paid in full. the scooter store. hi i'm doug harrison. we're experts at getting you the power chair or scooter you need. in fact, if we qualify you for medicare reimbursement and medicare denies your claim, we'll give you your new power chair or scooter free. i didn't pay a penny out of pocket for my power chair. with help from the scooter store, medicare and my insurance covered it all. call the scooter store for free information today. bill: impact segment tonight, new gallup poll says 40% of americans now call themselves conservative. 36% say they are moderate. just 20% describe themselves as liberal. last year 20% called themselves conservative. and liberals seem to be shrinking in the age of obama. interesting. joining us are juan williams and mary katharine ham. what do you make of this poll, mary katharine? >> most popular conservatism as ideology has been since 2004. and the important thing about it is that the movement is happening with independents. as we all know make the difference in elections. and if those guys are moving to the right, then it's going to be concerning for the democratic party. i think you are seeing this in the virginia governorship, governor's race in 2008 democrats and independents both act like independents. they starting to swing to the right. bill: give me a why. >> a lot of people are feeling conservative with their own money. they are feeling sort of threatened by the economic environment and they're saying, you know, are afraid of what obama is doing. the huge spending, outlandish new regulations and that's where they are seeing losses or at least the liberal mind set is seeing losses and i think too. bill: what do you think, juan? >> i think mary katharine is on to something here. i think there is lots of economic anxiety in the country it goes beyond that people are upset about the culture in general. i think you see increasing support for opposing abortion in the country. it's now at a record level. i think if you look inside that poll you also see people are saying they don't favor unions. they think unions are too powerful in this country right now. you talk about chicago-style politics. that really speaks to it then you think about how if you look at the poll, what you find is people are saying, you know what? i'm not sure about the way things are going. in fact, there was a recent poll, another gallup poll indicated about two thirds, maybe more now of the american people think the country is on the wrong track. with that kind of anxiety, economic anxiety, cultural anxiety about the culture just being out of control, too crude. you know, people are just saying they want to pull back. this is especially true about independent voters. they like the. bill: what about the obama factor. >> that's why they voted for obama what they don't necessarily like liberal policies. bill: i don't get that. obama is the most liberal president we have had, i think, this century. i went back to look at f.d.r., jimmy carter, lyndon johnson, you know, the liberal guys. he is more liberal than they were. so, and he is popular, 55% americans like him. so you would think that more would emulate barack obama and move to the left, juan. but it's not happening. >> no. because i think they like barack obama. they like the idea in the sense of who he is. first african-american president. it's the break through. i think there is a loft resentment and anger over the wars in iraq and afghanistan. a lot of people who are dissatisfied with what was going on under president bush. and so barack obama is in a sense a breath of fresh air in the room. but when it comes down to policies, there are a lot of people who say, hey, more liberal than i thought, not as much the independent, not as much the guy who is above political polarization that he advertised himself to be. bill: i don't know if is he a breath of fresh air any longer. i think that now is a problem. mary katharine, you heard me tell bernie and this is, i know i'm going to get criticized for this statement and mocked and all of that but so what. i firmly believe right now that the fox news channel is the most ininfluential news agency in america. therefore, the most powerful and what say you, mary katharine? >> it's extremely influential. look at the eyeballs you guys are getting. it's amazing. they are threatened by that. and here's the thing that they are trying to -- folks like joe klein want to argue that the fox audience is this demographic sliver that it's, you know, sort of kool-aid drinkers and marginal folks but the polls, the gallup shows polls that these folks are moving to the right, independents, moderates are moving to the right. the idea that something like the tea party protest is a seditious thing that you guys are pushing, he is trying to conflate those people with lunatics when in fact they are normal folks. bill: we don't know what he is talking about. >> i assume that's what he means. bill: you have to assume. when you write a column and make a charge, back it up. >> it would be helpful. bill: call me up, joe, i will give you a little journalism lesson. >> let me give him a definition lesson. because i know you love words, bill. sedition means to violently engage in overthrow of the government. come on, give me a break. bill: let's be honest. that "fox & friends" crew they want to overthrow the government. you have watched that show in the morning? >> oh, look. let's be honest. here is my try to help joe klein out in this moment. he says sedition -- absurd. i can't help with that one. when he says lies, well, you know what, on the fox news channel you can hear people say oh president obama is a racist or poorman is a fascist, a communist, is he a socialist. health care is going to kill grandma. you know, all this kind of foolishness. you know what? these are different voices, bill. you hear responses. you have people like me on fox who are saying, hey, this is not what i think and let's talk about it and let's argue about it and debate it. bill: talk about foolishness, there is juan williams. >> here i am. [ laughter ] bill: mary katharine gets the last word. >> mary -- joe klein in the -- hey if van jones and is an issue white house be careful who is is hiring. these are stories the white house needs to be concerned about. is he also calling them lies. bill: obamas boys club. some are charging there is too much testosterone in the white house. >> in this case he presents himself as feminist that's where the hypocrisy is glaring. that's what this is talking about. ill. bill: well. right back with that report. bill: personal story segment tonight, a front page article in the "new york times" says some women are worried there is too much test tore ter reason in the white house. there could be an obama boys club. in fact, obama advisors david axelrod, rahm emanuel and robert gibbs are called the boys. today the lads on theview reacted. >> if you have your two daughters looking who is playing basketball in the backyard in your office, ask the women to join you. get the women involved. >> this seems like a lot of cookie stuff to me. if the guy is playing basketball with his friends, is he playing basketball with his friends. no other president has been asked to have women visually everywhere that he is. in this case he presents himself as a feminist so the hypocrisy is glaring. that's what this is about. >> it is elizabeth, i'm seeing it because on the other side this is what they say. they see hypocrisy. >> conservative and liberal. >> that's a legitimate gripe. >> many people conservative and liberal are seeing this as something of concern. >> golf in all these country clubs that leave women out networking takes place on the golf course and takes place in these venues. the women are left out. >> you don't know that during the breaks they might be talking about policy. bill: makes you wish for a boys club. i will be on "the view" on friday. bring a little test tos ter robe in. with us now fox business anchor cheryl casone and nina easton. so the girls on "the view" are all upset about the boys club and what say you, nina easton? >> well, bill, first say me i can't wait to see you on "the view" on friday. that's going to be rich. bill: it will be a little lively, i'm sure. the halloween edition. >> since you invited me here presumably as a woman, i will give you a woman's perspective. i think there needs to be more testosterone in this particular white house. we need more of the testosterone thatment proked george w. bush against all odds and against the entire media political establishment of washington to send in more troops to iraq and turn it around. i think we need the kind of testosterone that would make barack obama lead the charge on health care. so, i would rather see more all male, if it has to be sweaty, aggressive testosterone-producing men in that white house. bill: aren't there women who could do that kind of decision-making as well? margaret thatcher comes to mind. goldamyar. very astiews women who can make the tough calls. >> definitely. hillary clinton is another -- hillary clinton certainly during the campaign was perceived as much, much tougher on the foreign policy front. that's not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about the whole -- the imagery on the political correctness over social -- bill: i got it the article, cheryl, implies that obama is not sensitive to women because he surrounds himself with all these guys. >> sure. they are talking about the old boys club. does it still exist? sure, it still exists. i cover wall street. they are still making deals in strip clubs and steakhouses. i don't want to go to strip clubs and steakhouses. bill: do you think obama boys club does reflect that? >> 24 rounds of golf since he went into office. not one woman has been invited to play golf. i'm not great at golf. you heard the ladies on "the view" say. this that's where the business happens. it does. bill: different dynamic out on the golf course. what about valerie jarrett, nina. valerie jarrett someone of the most powerful women in the world, very close advisor to barack obama. and then you have mr. obama's spouse, michelle obama certainly a powerful presence in the white house. i don't know if this boy's club thing is real. >> well, if you take it out of the realm of the silliness which i think the golf-playing is and want men to start jumping rope with the first lady on the lawn with school children? that's silly. when you look at women surrounding this administration and the white house, it is fair to say that of the yes valerie jarrett is there she is very much the gate keeper to this president. on the economic team, for example, it really is run by men. it's run by larry summers, christine romers is a major piece of it, but, you know, it is a -- tends to be tim geithner. ben bernanke. bill: you say it is top-heavy with guys? >> it is more top heavy with guys than you might have expected, particularly on the economic front. on the other hand, on the foreign policy, you know, hillary clinton is there. bill: there is hillary. she has been undercut by holbrook and mitchell. >> and she has been undercut by holbrook. that feeds the whole white male in the white house. bill: nobody knows who christine romer is. >> economic advisor to the president. we have had her on fox business. i have interviewed her a number of times on the fox business network. while she is very well-spoken she has taken a side door to the rest of the administration. she is just as qualified as ben bernanke. you are not going to sea her be the fed chairman. bill: are you upset as a woman, cheryl? that there aren't more powerful women in play in the obama white house? >> yes, yes, i am. because i. bill: you are offended? >> i will tell you what offended me, in the "times" article is when valerie jarrett supposedly had a sit-down afrpg arranged where they sat down with female reporters over cookies and milk at the meeting. are you serious? bill: what's wrong? what are they supposed to have? shots of gin. >> yes, or burr ban. bill: i don't understand women. i will admit it cheryl is offended by the cookies and milk. are you offended by the cookies and milk. >> i'm not offended. i think men and women socialize in different ways. that doesn't bother me. in washington, women have to network. we do it all the time because we have to. i mean, as you said, it's a men's club everywhere. so to take this particular white house to task for it, i think is is -- it belies the reality of the rest of the world. i think it's fair to noted it. but there is much more important things going on than whether he is playing golf with valerie jarrett. bill: she sofnedded at the boys club. nina is not so much offended. that's why i wanted to bring you both on. "the view" ladies are absolutely offended. i will try to calm them down on friday. >> and you, bill? bill: i'm not offended by anything, neon navment there is nothing that offends me. ladies, thanks very much. the catholic bishop of rhode island hammers patrick kennedy, ted's son. we will tell you why. brit hume on whether president obama is feared by america's enemy, stratford.com says he is not. we hope you stay tuned to those reports. xxxxxxxx÷ bill: unresolved problem segment tonight, health care, abortion, and the kennedy family. congressman patrick kennedy of rhode island, ted's son, recently criticized the catholic church for not supporting obama care with more passion. the problem for catholics is abortion. the church does not want any taxpayer dollars going to destroying fetuses. the birve shop of providence saying, quote, we are adamantly opposed to health care legislation that threatens the life of unborn children, unquote. and then bishop tobin lowered the boom. congressman kennedy continues to be a disappointment to the catholic church. whoa. joining from us boston democratic strategist marianne march and michael graham conservative talk show host. you followed the kennedy family for many years. since ted kennedy took over as the patriot issue patriarch john and robert. hallmark of liberals. it's not compatible of the catholic church there is the tension and that's where patrick kennedy is running into trouble. what say you? >> >> that's correct, bill. the common denominator here is the separation of church and state. the reason we know about the kennedy's is because jack kennedy got elected president. but to win he had to convince voters that he would not allow his catholic beliefs to dictate how he would lead the country as president. so the common denominator here is every kennedy who has served in elected office has really always taken the separation of church and state very seriously and when they represent their constituents, they do it based on the public good, not their personal religious belief. bill: isn't this a life-death issue, marianne? doesn't this transcend a philosophy of church and state in the catholic church has made it very clear that they believe abortion is murder. that's what the catholic church believes. there isn't any wiggle room for catholics. there is no wiggle room there. ok? you want to be a catholic, you can't say i support abortion. it is just not happening. but it's a life or death issue rather than aphilosophical issue. that's where the kennedy family and other liberal catholics have a problem. marianne? >> is he then is i run into difficulty with the church. they have not run into difficulty with voters. the fact is, bill, as you know, there are plenty of pro-life democrats and anti-death penalty democrats are also a lot of pro life democrats and pro-death penalty democrats. so, we run the gamut here. bill: what do you think, michael? >> i think it's thrilling to seat catholic church only take on a kennedy. the fact is they mentioned that they had this tension, bill. ted kennedy never had any problems john kerry had trying to observe mass in 2004. the fact is the kennedies have done pretty well as -- more campaigns than elections catholics. they are just catholic enough to get your vote and ignore the church. this is the first time the church has really confronted them. i think because patrick kennedy was a dope mouthing off saying the church is on the wrong side of universal health care which they support and i oppose. so he really stepped out of line i think for the first time a modern kennedy is having to -- bill: you painted the contends with a kennedy's with a broad brush. mr. there are many kennedy's, ethel among them that go to mass all the time. rose kennedy is a very fervent catholic. within the kennedy family there is a large degree of opinion. but, the problem here, marianne, is that you have a sitting bishop in the state and most people in rhode island are catholic. it's a catholic state saying, look, there is an obligation from a politician to protect lives here. there is an obligation catholic politician to do so. and congressman kennedy is not living up to that humanitarian obligation. and that's a pretty tough charge. >> patrick kennedy will argue the fact that he is standing up for millions of people's's lives by trying to get them health care coverage so they can live longer because some people don't have it. bill: you can do both. >> you can but that's a choice he has decided not to make. the fact is he strongly believes that a woman should have the right to choose. he believes that as a democrat. what he believes as a catholic may be a very different matter privately. i don't know. i do know is he a pro choice democrat. bill: he should state tharvettle eunice kennedy shriver was a pro-life democrat who signed a letter to bill clinton when he was a president challenging him on that. again, this is about politics. >> -- kennedy got the facts wrong in saying that the catholic church was wrong to bring this up as a red herring to say this isn't an issue. the hyde amendment that they keep talking about only applies to medicaid. this new health care reform has no restrictions on where the money can government the church is right on the facts. kennedy is wrong on the facts and then insults the church and their motives a dumb political move and he doesn't have the gravitas. i think the kennedy's have gotten special treatment to drift as far as they have from the catholic church -- bill: depends on the individual bishop making those calls. >> 2 a years. bill: we asked senator kennedy to be on here. unfortunately in an important discussion like this he should have come on the factor tonight. but, again, he doesn't want to answer these questions and he should answer them because they are important questions. marianne, michael, thanks very much. we appreciate it and there is plenty more on the factor. when we come back, brit hume on whether president obama is feared by america's enemy. certainly bush and cheney were feared. brit hume is next. sqñg bill: thanks for staying with us. i'm bill o'reilly. in the hume zone segment tonight. the factor relies on stratfor.com for accurate intelligence information. you can access stratfor on bill o'reilly.com. it's an excellent web site. stratfor says many of the enemies like mullahs in iran and putin in rugs ha shah believe that president obama is a weak leader. joining from us washington is senior analyst brit hume. >> if that's not true it's hard to think why it isn't. because the president has clearly made it toured pars in the world in which did he a lot of apologizing to the united states. he made a decision quite defensibly on military grounds with regards to the establishment of missile defense elements in poland that had been agreed to, that the polish and czech republic were expecting to house those things. they wanted them. then he pulled away from it at the same time that vladimir putin that you see there and the russian government were complaining bitterly it was a terrible idea. he might have done it for the right reasons but it gave all the appearances of being -- reacting to russian pressure. you know, if you are one of the hard men sitting in iran looking at this president and wondering what he is going to do, you have got to look at things like that and think, i think we can face this guy down. that's what i fear may be happening. bill: now, bush-cheney were feared. they were hated but also feared, particularly cheney, around the world because it was obviously they were aggressive, very aggressive in going after al qaeda and anybody associated with terrorism. so, that's a fact. that they were feared, hated. obama comes in and says, look, i don't want the hate element. i want to take that out. because i think the united states will be stronger if united states cooperate and like us. what may be looked upon as weakness could be a strength if that works. am i wrong? brit: well, what you are talking about there, bill, not so much what your enemies or adversaries are going to do. what you are thinking about there is what you can get the countries who are supposedly our allies to do. bush and cheney were successful, i think, in surprising elements including al qaeda in the world with how tough they were prepared to be and how much they were willing to use the force option. that was one thing. but they had some trouble gathering up the kinds of coalitions that they might have found useful in getting the u.n. resolutions that they wanted to almost all of them on iraq. the hope for obama has been or his camp has been that this nice man, who smooths over these things, apologizes for america might do better with our allies. i'm not sure that's happening. bill: it's not. brit: i'm not sure it's happening at all. some our allies are ahead of him. you saw vice president biden goes over there and says that he's wants to -- you know, he has a plan for sort of counter terrorism approach in afghanistan and nato allies come out and say no we back the counter insurgency approach generally speaking by general mcchrystal. so, you know, it's not at all clear that he is bringing the allies along. in some respects it looks, at least in this instance, where they may have to be bringing him along. bill: ok. let's switch gears and who is the first president that you covered when you were in the white house? who was the first president? >> well, i covered the first bush. bush 41 as the white house correspondent. i have been around here for 40 years. bill: yeah, you worked for jack anderson. let's start with jimmy carter because jimmy carter was a liberal and not a lot of experience in the white house. jimmy carter's first nine months vis-a-vis barack obama's first nine months. any difference? what do you see there? brit: what i remember most distingtly about jimmy carter two, things i remember about jimmy carter, one was he had the camp david accord result of absolutely inexhaustible diplomacy on his part that brought about an agreement between egypt and israel. very important milestone. that was one thing. deon the other hand, when the soviet union marched into afghanistan, jimmy carter was surprised. he had sought a more friendly relations with the soviet union and so on. more accommodating policy than perhaps some of his predecessors were willing to. bill: he was almost like obama, accommodating? >> i would say in that sense he certainly was, yes. >> not a lot of first nine months in office. vis-a-vis obama. brit: clinton takes over after obama brought about the end of the cold car war, success for the wins. the soviet union collapses. george w. bush, george h.w. bush comes along and his job to manage the victory really which he does with some care and deafness. bill clinton comes along to enjoy the peace dividend. he came along in a time when really at least visibly not many great threats to the united states around the world. and being tough on foreign policy was not something that people were worried about. let us not forget, however, during the latter. they didn't mind his moral short comings as exemplified by the lewenski case. what we didn't know is the thars as it who would later attack us savagely were going about their business and his law enforcement approach to that problem was not deterring. bill: it's interesting because i still don't have a handle on barack obama. i'm starting to lose a little confidence, you know. i think it's -- a lot of confusion in the white house. are you sensing confusion? real quick. >> well, i'm certainly sensing hesitancy. the white house two minds about afghanistan. i'm not sure how they would handle it if things went badly in iraq. bill: there is not a lot of bold things coming out thereof right now. brit hume, everybody. michelle obama, sean penn and transend der homecoming queen. wow, check moments away. sfx:racking of a taillight. female valve: hahahaha...i am strong like the ox. i crush you like tiny clown car. because you are... ...clown, yes? female valve: come, you hit me again and i break you. male valve: oh, you messed with wrong pipe now, car. ha, ha trust me...i have to live with her. announcer:accidents are bad. but geico's good with guaranteed repairs through auto repair express. bill: back of the book segment tonight, reality check where we send the truth out to dance with the stars. check one. william and mary college founded in 1693. and now it is the first college in america to crown a transgendered person home coming queen. jesse vasold was a man and now a woman. she got the honor at halftime at the football team. elected by the students and declined to speak with us this evening. but she was nice about turk us down. something about her commitments as a student activist and they can be intense as we all know. homecoming queen. william and mary. check 2. sean penn going to cuba on a private jet, of course. hoping to interview fidel castro. that should be some hard-hitting deal, right? apparently vanity fair mass seen has commissioned the story don't you love sean penn on the private jet in the land of communism. as they say in california, awesome. check three, laura ingraham causing trouble on abc. >> it might not be invited back, george, when charlie gibson didn't know what the acorn story was all about, that was a collective gaffe you heard across the united states. charlie gibson asst as an esteemed journalist how do you not know about a story that barack obama cut his political teeth republicans and democrats on capitol hill were ready to pull the rug out from under them on their funding. that is the kind of story that the white house doesn't want to have reported and repeated on other networks. that's why they don't like fox news. bill: miss laura will be here on thursday. check four, michelle obama on leno. >> question number six, your husband just won the nobel peace prize, we rather have world peace or have the white sox win the world series? [ laughter ] >> that's a tough one. [ laughter ] and i think if you would ask him, he would say he would probably prefer world peace but he wouldn't mind world series bid, too. but i think he would choose world peace. >> i think world pe likely. bill: now i like the white sox. wait until next year. check 5. it is not easy being a scientologist. >> do you believe that galactic galactic -- who brought his people to earth 75 million years ago and buried them in volcanoes? >> ok. >> do you believe that? >> martin, i am not going to discuss the disgusting perversions of scientology beliefs that can be found now commonly on the internet. something that we consider offensive. and it is in violation of my religious beliefs to talk about them. >> is it true that l. ron hubbard said that understanding the origins of the human race as described through zeno and the intergalactic emperor, is it true that somebody would die -- bill: just for the record, just for the record, check does believe that galactic emperor zeno is living in las vegas. both the -- are down on dick cheney. >> i thought the comments of the former vice president were totally out of bounds. i don't think he has any credibility left with the american people in any event. but, i think it's really wrong for the former vice president of the united states to be talking as he did about the president dithering because the president needs to reach the right decision. >> a bit of dithering right have been in order before we went in iraq in pursuit of non-weapons of mass destruction. a representative of the bush administration to accuse taking too much time. we have much to fear in this town from hasting slow government action. bill: wow. again for the record check believes president obama should send the troops to afghanistan. check 7, i am a gum chewer, so is senator barbara boxer. >> how are you? >> fine, fine. [inaudible] >> thank you very, very much. bill: we caught her. check hopes the flavor was gone from the gum. never want to take the gum out when there is still flavor in it. finally check 8. once again the factor dominated the october ratings. i won't bore you with the margin of victory. it was huge. i do want to thank you once again all of you for your loyalty and kindness in making this program a as successful as it is. that reality check. pinheads and patriots on deck tonight sharing charlise theron. oh boy. right back. . bill: time now for "pinheads and patriots." actress charlize theron said she would kill someone you love to donate money for children. the person turned out to be a woman. , $140,000. so there it is, ladies. ladies. you need a snorkel. so for puckering up and helping the kids, charlize theron is a patriot. an octomom and her desperate bid for even more publicity. nadya suleman dressed up as a pregnant nun in a halloween deal. she is a pinhead in so many ways, it is hard to count them, so she is in the pinhead hall of fame. and tomorrow, we will have a brand new feature on our website. it i comment -- i comment on stories that i do not have time to comment on on "the factor." we will post them on the homepage, another great reason for you to become a premium members. and the christmas store opens one week from today, and the patriot year is going to be in great demand. patriots welcome. -- the patriot gear is going to be in great demand. charlize theron, i am rival in you. and from toledo, ohio -- -- i am rivaling you. bill: you know, that is an interesting point, sir. i believe that trashing them is wrong, even though that has been going on since washington. however, holding them accountable is absolutely necessary. bill: well, that sounds simple to me, mark. waterford, vermont. bill: excellent, debra. a signed copy of "bold fresh" winging its way to vermont, and vermont needs of the copies of "bold fresh" can get. please email us with your pithy comments. name and town, name and town if you wish to opine. and do not be -- contumacious. look it up. we are never contumacious. i am bill o'ly