ukraine. i believe he would be in eastern europe. he talked about his ambitions for greater russia to re-create the soviet union and if he is successful in ukraine the baltic states will be under threat in eastern europe and i absolutely agree that europe hasn't done enough. they were complacent, haven't spent enough on defense but if we think vladimir putin's victory in ukraine will be the end of his ambitions that's completely wrong. we will embolden president xi and what message would it send about taiwan if vladimir putin was successful in ukraine. paul: of the united states decided to abandon ukraine. you mentioned a defeat for vladimir putin. how would you define that? >> what it looks like is russia being pushed out.