to fully embrace trump and say you are just a trump -- youngkin is trying to triangulate, how has he done it? >> he's done a remarkable job mcauliffe has tried to make him choose between the southern part of the state voters in the suburban voters increasingly have been a major source of strength for democrats so what young contestant, he's neither embraced or disavowed trump, he's in the middle there. secondly, he's chosen specifically issues that unite both sides of those voting in class of job creation and education. those are issues that run across demographics and everything so