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paul: mary, it may be tilting at win mills, but you and i have followed immigration for a long time. we favor relatively generous immigration. what's the solution here, if you can put it into, you know, summarize it for listeners? >> yeah, it's a push/pull factor, that's the way to look at it. so the spill what dan was just -- the pull is what dan was just describing, this idea that the border is open. that's going to attract a lot of people, so we have to make it clear they cannot enter the country that way. if they want to and the country, they have to apply for a work visa. and since we have a short of labor in this country, we could normalize that migration flow. the second thing would be to work on development. you know, anthony blinken was in ecuador last week, and he was telling the countries in south america that they need to work,

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