could by saying i have a great relationship with him. i think they're trying to keep that from blowing -- getting out of control. let's talk about syria in my last minute or so with you. that was brought up by brett and he asked if -- has the administration put turkey in a position that has disadvantaged the u.s. in any way and the secretary esper said no, turkey put turkey in a position that's bad for them, in spinning themselves out of the nato orbit. what do you think about that? >> i thought that was a fascinating comment from the secretary of defense. it was very insightful. i think he's right about that, to put the onus on turkey. turkey engaged in this action in northeastern syria. it's been a accused of engaging in human rights violations. it's attacking kurds. it's attacking the kurdish partners in syria that we worked with to defeat isis. he expressed some concern about